Scathan the Approver vs. 5th Dimension Imps

I can see where the confusion lies,
the reason I said Protege copies full powers is because in a battle, that's what would happen,
and I'm basing this off of a newb Protege that hasn't copied anything.

If this is Protege at his best,
then that's the LT/Eternity/Hawkgod/Beyonder/Mephisto/Malevolence & GOTG's powers combined.

Scathan owned all of that with a gesture. lol

Anyway, on panel by the end of the arc,
Protege was able to copy powers even more effectively,
cause he copied LT's power, after LT only demonstrated one move,
Eternity and Hawkgod displayed one move each too.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I can see where the confusion lies,
the reason I said Protege copies full powers is because in a battle, that's what would happen,
and I'm basing this off of a newb Protege that hasn't copied anything.

Anyway, on panel by the end of the arc,
Protege was able to copy powers even more effectively,
cause he copied LT's power, after LT only demonstrated one move.

Protege instantly copies whatever he sees,
no matter what you throw at him, he'll just continue to cancel it out,
because he'll instantly become it's equal,
then, he surpasses that equal as he continues to absorb,
this is all done on the moment instantly, it's a re-action of Protege's really.

I remember when he battled the Beyonder,
before he copied an iota of Beyonder's power, he was weaker than Beyonder,
in fact, all of Protege's power at that point was nothing to Beyonder,
but as soon as Protege was able to tap into one piece of Beyonder's power,
it was done, Protege was able to battle Beyonder, and in fact stalemate him,
cause everything Beyonder did, Protege instantly was able to copy and re-direct.

Eternity even states that Protege is fast reaching "infinite Omnipotence"
(and this is before copying Hawkgod/Eternity/LT's power)

Anyway, Beyonder had to run, he simply couldn't win.

When one page prior he had Protege like his ***** in a crystal.

Meh, LT clearly states, Protege is a Multiversal threat!

(and this is before copying Hawkgod/Eternity/LT's power) so go figure. 😬

To begin with,

by the end, the LT was definitely weaker than Protege:

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After Protege copied LT's power, while standing in Scathan's hand:

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Beyonder stated "on the boy rests the fate of any and all realities"

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The writer gives us the reactions of the LT, Eternity, Scathan and Hawgod.

The LT's conclusion is ... "logical confirmation"

So the LT himself agrees!

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Here Eternity states that Scathan's "purpose
is to record and approve of what transpires"

Eternity also tells Hawkgod to save every iota of his power to help battle Protege:

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Here the LT seems to know Protege has now surpassed his power.

Protege notices the LT, Eternity, Hawkgod and GOTG are joining against him,
so Protege summoned Mephisto and his daughter to attack the GOTG,
'Talon' was wearing the 'Ancient One's Amulet' ...
the LT actually states he/they may need it later against Protege:

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Here Protege prepares to erase the LT, Eternity, Hawgod and GOTG,

The last scan shows Scathan's power interrupting Protege:

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Scathan stomping Protege with a gesture:

Protege is rendered in-affective with his mighty gesture:

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The LT (while Scathan restrains Protege physically)
absorbs Protege into the 'Eternal Hourglass' which lies within the LT:

Again,
it's Scathan that has the last say in the matter (sorta speak)

"And so it ends, and Scathan approves"

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This is PROOF that Protege had surpassed the LT in power.

Evidently what the LT said earlier was true,
they were indeed going to need the 'Ancient One's Amulet'
the LT specifically.

Here we learn that the LT was using the 'Ancient One's Amulet'
as a source of power to increase his own in order to deal with Protege:

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As for the Handbook account:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - LT bio 2006)

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LT's bio also corroborates what took place on panel in the GOTG arc,
it also clearly states that Scathan saved Realty:

"LT was nearly usurped by Protege,
whose ability to duplicate the powers of others
allowed him to manifest the LT's own power."

(had it not been for Scathan, Protege would've replaced the LT)

srugdoped

Okay I'm going with Master on this one, that was one well argued debate.

Yo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The LT (while Scathan restrains Protege physically)
absorbs Protege into the 'Eternal Hourglass' which lies within the LT:

which U have to wonder about since, if Protege was as powerful as U make him out to be, theres no way Scathan PHYSICALLY holding him wouldve made a lick of difference.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is [b]PROOF that Protege had surpassed the LT in power.

Evidently what the LT said earlier was true,
they were indeed going to need the 'Ancient One's Amulet'
the LT specifically.

Here we learn that the LT was using the 'Ancient One's Amulet'
as a source of power to increase his own in order to deal with Protege:

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actually, thats FAR from proof. while it might say something about LTs confidence in dealing w/'tege theres still NO ON-PANEL PROOF that the boy copied anything more than LTs tri-face "ability".

and it was stated too many times that he just copies displays of power, NOT the totality of a persons personal capability (which is wat yur implying here.)

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer

which U have to wonder about since,
if Protege was as powerful as U make him out to be

Unless you're under the impression that I drew all those pages above.

Originally posted by Tazer

theres no way Scathan PHYSICALLY holding him
wouldve made a lick of difference.

Scathan owned an LT/Eternity/Hawkgod and more empowered Protege.

Anyone can see the proof for themselves.

Originally posted by Tazer

actually, thats FAR from proof.

while it might say something about LTs confidence in dealing w/'tege
theres still NO ON-PANEL PROOF that the boy copied anything more than LTs tri-face "ability".

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But ... for the record, and don't get it twisted.

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LT says:

"Behold! The Amulet of the Ancient One! We may have need of it"

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Indeed ...

"Tribunal! ... I FELT You clandestinely drawing upon my Amulet's Power
to SUPPLEMENT your own as you dealt with the Protege"

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I don't see anything being mentioned
or even alluded to about "LT's confidence" .. nice try.

I do see that LT was boosting his own power with the Amulet in order to finish Protege.

Which tells any unbiased logical unhating mind, Protege > LT

Originally posted by Tazer

and it was stated too many times that he just copies displays of power,
NOT the totality of a persons personal capability (which is wat yur implying here.)

Tazer

One way or another, we end up in the same rut.

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This is no surprise actually,
Protege was meant to be that final evolution of life that supersedes the Abstracts,
he was born from an effort of trying to create God!

He was created by a 1000 generations of trials,
"through selective breeding, genetic manipulation,
and various chemicals, drugs, and sciences,
and arcane magicks."

"The most powerful being ever conceived of mortal woman"

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This is how Protege's powers work,
it begins at the visual level, I've never disputed that,
but later Protege himself stated that was only for the time being,
as he told Malevolence concerning copying "unseen thoughts" ... "not yet anyway" ...

Which is true, cause later he was copying power more effectively, like LT's.

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Still, Protege learns how to use everything he copies instantly,
and he adds everything he copies to his own power,

Because of this Martinex says:

"This Protege may be the most powerful person ever born!"

This is also
why Martinex fears the thought of Protege meeting powerhouses like Galactus,
as we know, he met the embodiment of all there is,
and the LT.

Martinex's fears were realized indeed.

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This is what the LT and Eternity said about Protege
when Protege became aware of what he could do:

Eternity: "The Child has become aware"

LT: "And with awareness comes great power, Eternity"

Eternity: "Perhaps the greatest yet born to mortals"

LT: Or Immortals"

Wow ... nuff said ....

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To be fair, if Protege starts fresh, with only his own inherent power,
a powerful enough Cosmic could contain him with a thought,
by powerful enough I mean at-least post-retcon Beyonder level,
it seems that the more power Protege collects,
the more effective his copying abilities become.
(based on how he copied LT's power,
which was accomplished just by LT playing his role as Judge,
that is where LT's power derives from after all,
because LT is the concept of judgement manifested,
it seems Protege actually copied LT's status, and in-turn the power came with that)

This makes more sense now that I think about it,
no wonder Protege appeared as the LT.

No wonder the LT's bio states Protege nearly "usurped the LT"
the bio is talking about LT's position in Marvel, cause LT's power is mentioned separately.
So, he copied LT's status, (conceptual purpose) and in doing so, copied his power too.

Perhaps not 100% concrete, but it makes sense imo.

Hopefully 2009 Official Marvel Handbooks Deluxe Edition
will have Protege's bio.
Until then, while the circumstances are a bit merky,
there's no denying that Protege copied LT's power,
and indeed became more powerful than the LT,
and finally, Scathan proved to be more powerful than Protege.

That's the indisputable bottom line.

Yo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, as Marvel comics makes em out to be.

Unless you're under the impression that I drew all those pages above.

no, but yur assertion certainly ISNT supported by those pages above.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's what happened on panel, if you can't accept that, you have to take up with Marvel.

Scathan owned an LT/Eternity/Hawkgod and more empowered Protege.

Anyone can see the proof for themselves.

no, Scathan owned a Beyonder/Hawkgod and more empowered Protege, I dont even see how he *couldve* copied Eternity given it did pretty much nothing, less than LT certainly.

and any1 can see THAT proof for themselves.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Seriously, if you're gonna start adding fallacies to my proof,
I'll have to cease this debating, I kinda hate when that's done.

proof huh? so then tell me: did Protege copy all of Beys power/abilities during their battle??

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't see anything being mentioned
or even alluded to about "LT's confidence" .. nice try.

I do see that LT was boosting his own power with the Amulet in order to finish Protege.

Which tells any unbiased logical unhating mind, Protege > LT

that he felt the need to do so is more of an observation on my part, however given the fact that he (Protege) got stopped by a being of LOWER station & power makes no sense no matter how ya slice it......unless U assume a few things which dont really work.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So, try fighting him without using any powers, wonder how that works,
see, regardless, in the end, you'll use power, he'll instantly copy on the fly,
on and on until he surpasses you, then you get owned.

One way or another, we end up in the same rut.

actually, all a person would need to do is blind OR strike at him in such a way that it cant be seen by him to beat him, much like how he captured the kid & Malevolence and held them prisoner AND how (presumably) Scathan put that muzzle on'im.

Tazer

You're willfully ignoring on panel art/depictions and character statements,
plus the fact that what took place on panel is confirmed in LT's bio.

This is where I'm done as a circle, which I will not entertain, was just created.

Peace and love yall. stoned

I've read the issues regarding the Godlike child known as Protege

Good scans as always Mr. M

Scathan the Approver FTW

Originally posted by Mr Master
You actually bought into that fallacy? Or is this sarcasm?

Fallacy? You mean the on-panel evidence? In issue 16 in clearly states that Protege can only copy powers he observes. This is further proven when the Beyonder tells Protege to observe the situation carefully when they're in Scathans palm.

LT displayed no powers for Protege to copy, so how did Protege copy his powers?

Going to have to go with master on this one.

Yo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're willfully ignoring on panel art/depictions and character statements,
plus the fact that what took place on panel is confirmed in LT's bio.

This is where I'm done as a circle, which I will not entertain, was just created.

Peace and love yall. stoned

Im not willfully ignoring anything; I simply dont buy into Protege becomming a tri-face as him mimicking the entireity of LTs power, NOR do I buy that Scathan was somehow able to overpower a being who was more powerful AND looking right @ him at the time.

and while I bid ya a polite farewell, I wouldve preferred that U atleast answerd the question posed about the Bey/Protege -skirmish.....

Tazer

People... obviously Protege had copied LT's powers. LT confirmed it. He needed the amulet to take care of Protege, other wise he was getting blasted around and was totally helpless. Scathan muzzled him but ultimately it took more than LT or Scathan to put him down... certainly more than LT at least.