Originally posted by cloud102IIRC, Hal shrunk Shaggy Man. Guy devolved Tiger Shark. Still not proof that GL's manipulate the electromagnetic spectrum in the way some people have described. Anybody want to show me a single scan of this or them even absorbing energy?
Actually Hal has transmuted beings before. Even transmuting Shaggy Man and Tiger Shark. Hal ftw.
Yo.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
IIRC, Hal shrunk Shaggy Man. Guy devolved Tiger Shark. Still not proof that GL's manipulate the electromagnetic spectrum in the way some people have described. Anybody want to show me a single scan of this or them even absorbing energy?
from Astros RS:
Hal converts energy blasts into Confetti with ease.http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/4d2db178.jpg
Hal protects himself and his friends from a Super Nova, and then converts his friends to Negative Radiant energy.http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA042_20.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/29ff2790.jpgHal turns a wall into a closed circuit television.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/16105f0f.jpgHal devolves the Shark.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlanterncorps218-12ocdhorus-1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/greenlanterncorps218-13ocdhorus-1.jpg
When faced with strange foes that are unaffected by light, John shows that the Green Light is no ordinary light and goes on to effect sub-atomic particles to manipulate/create matter cages around them.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Green%20Lantern/glmatterinversion.jpgStel converts his body to anti matter, than back to matter.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl162_15_glc.jpgWhen a Green Lantern comes to a planet whose Magnetic field is wreaking havoc on the world, and threatens the very destruction of the world, she changes the alignment of the poles themselves!
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http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/93cc96f2.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/8aeee62c.jpg
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When Dr. Polaris rips a portal in the fabric of the universe itself into the heart of the universe and begins to feed off of the magnetic powers inherent in this strange new dimension, Hal takes on and matches the master magnetist, even as his power increases to the point that he can “destroy planets”. When his power increases to the point that he is untouchable, Hal uses his ring to pump him so full of power that he is ripped apart.
also, theres a BIG feat of a GL absorbing energy involving Kyle during Zero Hour; if I can find the scan of it I'll post it.
Tazer
Originally posted by kakuzu
I was speaking of Kyle. When he fought Surfer I believe he had the knight in armor suit and a horse made entirely out of lantern energy. I'm a kyle fan so I'm not to much on the fan side of Hal.Mangeto however has blanked out the entire earth of power, taken hits from the likes of galactus, seen lifting billions of tons of metal into the air, and just for one more making explosions of the scale of a nuke after being hurt and drawing on the energies of the earth.
Magneto also beat Apoc one time I believe or a Apoc. I think he is a match if not more then a match for Hal.
Magneto does not have the power to black out the Earth on the merits of his own innate power levels. In "Fatal Attractions," the EM fields were skewered to the point where Magneto could not use his powers within the planetary atmosphere without the feedback killing him. He assaulted the field from space while it was in this condition which resulted in a global black out. In his next story, "Magneto War," the EM fields were in a natural state and he had to build a machine to augment his power to turn off the lights around the world. Ergo, he cannot do this on his own power under natural conditions.
In regards to the Galactus thing, Magnetoand Xavier barely registered on the outskirts of Galactus' consciousness when both were struggling to get his attention. Galactus sent a very low level blast over there kinda like swatting at a gnat which was deflected by Magneto's shield as he did not want to be bothered. The blast did damage comparable to about what Gambit threw.
When did he make an explosion comparable to a nuke?
Magneto beating Apacolypse was complete PIS. How is he going to get a magnetic grip on somebody who can rechannel powers like Bishop and tear them apart? Poccy should have been able to throw that energy back in his face not to mention Poccy has atomic control over his own body and extreme class 100 strength which means to tear his body apart should be VERY difficult even omitting his atomic control. Then Poccy sat there and basically allowed him to do it?? lol!
Hal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Magneto
I always roll my eyes when Magneto fights powerful advasaries. He is frequently pitted against characters more powerful than himself and the stronger character always gets written down in Magneto arcs. The stronger character displays higher power levels in other, non-Magneto stories and all of a sudden is weaker for Magneto to be a threat.
This fight is spite.
Originally posted by TazerI honestly don't understand what's going on in these following scans. If I had to guess, it appears that John made some sort of field that would make light turn into matter if anything hit the field. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This also appears to be pre-Crisis:
Yo.from Astros RS:
also, theres a BIG feat of a GL absorbing energy involving Kyle during Zero Hour; if I can find the scan of it I'll post it.
Tazer
Stel reversed his polarity between matter and anti-matter. Thor has done this. I understand that GL's can manipulate matter. And while changing matter to anti-matter and back is probably the pinnacle of matter manipulation, I'm just looking for an energy manipulation feat:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Green%20Lantern/glmatterinversion.jpg
Everything else is definitely pre-Crisis and not worth discussing.
In reference to Kyle, you're probably thinking of this. But I know that GLs can absorb the plasma energy that is the Power of the Guardians. It would be silly to think they couldn't. Hal has also absorbed/utilized the power of the Central Battery with his ring way before Emerald Twilight:
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16hd6.jpg
I'm just looking for a straight up feat of a GL absorbing electromagnetic energy or manipulating electromagnetic energy. This shouldn't be that difficult when everyone else seems so oddly confident that GLs could do this with ease.
Yo.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I honestly don't understand what's going on in these following scans. If I had to guess, it appears that John made some sort of field that would make light turn into matter if anything hit the field. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This also appears to be pre-Crisis:
while I wont argue it making sense or not, that *is* apparently wat John was doing. also, that was post-Crisis.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Stel reversed his polarity between matter and anti-matter. Thor has done this. I understand that GL's can manipulate matter. And while changing matter to anti-matter and back is probably the pinnacle of matter manipulation, I'm just looking for an energy manipulation feat:Everything else is definitely pre-Crisis and not worth discussing.
given that the current DCU seems to be making referrence to lots of situations which happend pre-CoIE (due in no small part to Geoff Johns, and ESPECIALLY as it pertains to Hal & Supes) then Im sorry to inform ya that until theyre contradicted it seems as tho alot of event from then are back to having happend......and as such so would the feats listed (altho I'll grant ya some likely not EXACTLY as before.)
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]In reference to Kyle, you're probably thinking of this. But I know that GLs can absorb the plasma energy that is the Power of the Guardians. It would be silly to think they couldn't. Hal has also absorbed/utilized the power of the Central Battery with his ring way before Emerald Twilight:
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16hd6.jpg
yea, thats the bit I was thinking of, however I disagree about equating plasma energy to Oan energy: the latter is a very specific type of energy (even ignoring this "emotional spectrum BS Geoff is cramming down our throats, it has always been thus), whereas the former isnt anything like it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm just looking for a straight up feat of a GL absorbing electromagnetic energy or manipulating electromagnetic energy. This shouldn't be that difficult when everyone else seems so oddly confident that GLs could do this with ease.
and so U have them.
Tazer
Originally posted by TazerDoesn't change the fact that he, by your opinion is surrounding sentient light with matter. It's a matter manipulation feat. It's about as much an energy manipulation feat as another person suggesting that they could build a machine that does the same thing. And tell me the issue where that's from. Because the Corps grounded themselves on Earth directly after the Crisis and Hal was leading them. In that scan, you've got John leading them in space. Give me the issue number.
Yo.while I wont argue it making sense or not, that *is* apparently wat John was doing. also, that was post-Crisis.
Originally posted by TazerNo. You have to prove that the Crisis changed nothing for the GLs and their powers. We already know their histories were violently thrown asunder. Ch'pp never even properly existed. Anybody who doesn't think that there is a stark difference in power between pre-Crisis schlock and post-Crisis continuity is plainly ignorant. The Crisis changed everything. Indeed, nearly every hero and villain ended up weaker than their pre-Crisis counterparts. The onus is on you to prove that the GLs were an exception. You also have to prove this in the face of the massive history since the Crisis that shows current GLs not having any feats even close to their pre-Crisis counterparts. I'm not supposed to prove a negative simply because you wish to ignore the stark difference between the two ages.
given that the current DCU seems to be making referrence to lots of situations which happend pre-CoIE (due in no small part to Geoff Johns, and ESPECIALLY as it pertains to Hal & Supes) then Im sorry to inform ya that until theyre contradicted it seems as tho alot of event from then are back to having happend......and as such so would the feats listed (altho I'll grant ya some likely not EXACTLY as before.)
Originally posted by TazerYou're making a false distinction. Nowhere has GL energy ever been called Oan energy. GL energy has been called plasma energy on several occasions. I have no GL energy absorption/manipulation scans. At all. The best I've got, is a ridiculous pre-Crisis scan of Hal turning a rayblast into confetti. That's the most direct scan we have of a GL affecting energy. I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you would argue that current Hal could simply turn any energy blasts into confetti. Not even the most rabid GL fans would argue that.
yea, thats the bit I was thinking of, however I disagree about equating plasma energy to Oan energy: the latter is a very specific type of energy (even ignoring this "emotional spectrum BS Geoff is cramming down our throats, it has always been thus), whereas the former isnt anything like it.and so U have them.
Tazer
Everything else, even the pre-Crisis scans are only circumstantially related to energy. Devolving Tiger Shark? Making a tv? There isn't a single shred of unequivocal evidence that I've seen or that anybody has provided of a current GL absorbing or manipulating energy, electromagnetic or otherwise. In the face of their vast history and appearances, the best you can come up with, is pre-Crisis Hal turning a rayblast into confetti from the 60's. It shocks me even. I'm sure I've seen them absorb different kinds of energy. But I can't think of the instance. And I've looked everywhere. And apparently, so have you, if you have to resort to devolving Tiger Shark as an example of absorbing/manipulating electromagnetic energy. Lulz. Epic lulz.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hip hip hooray for pre-Crisis. Even delving into the ridiculousness that is pre-Crisis, you still haven't substantiated a single claim you've made about how GL will win. You might as well tell me that GL turns Magneto into a chicken. At least that method has precedent on-panel in pre-Crisis continuity. And lulz at the so-called "speed feat."
Originally posted by 2damnloud
If Hal can't beat Magneto because of Electromagnetism, then Storm can most certainly beat him for the majority.
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