Originally posted by fangirl101you keep repeating this as if this somehow is relevant...when you know as well as anyone else that one can be extremely powerful while not having impressive 'strength' feats. thus, describing the strength of a being whose very power has nothing to do with strength is deliberate drawing attention away from the true issues.
He has one strength feat that doesn't even look to be class 15.
Originally posted by Starscream M
you keep repeating this as if this somehow is relevant...when you know as well as anyone else that one can be extremely powerful while not having impressive 'strength' feats. thus, describing the strength of a being whose very power has nothing to do with strength is deliberate drawing attention away from the true issues.
Starscream's point may be valid, but is beside the issue: that we need concrete bios/appearances/etc. in order to determine the legality and price of the pick.
We're waiting, FG. By the sounds of it, I'm curious if he actually does have 10 legit appearances, but we won't know until we can research him some other way than by reading your posts.
is this the guy?
Originally posted by Starscream Myes.
is this the guy?
Apparently not. He wants a newer version of him with less feats so that he can justify the 20 points. If it were the version you linked to, he'd easily have 10 appearances but would likely be 30 pts.
{edit} nvrmind. I guess fangirl's changing his story from a guy with a few appearances to one who's been around for decades.
Still, 20 points for that guy? lulz.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Apparently not. He wants a newer version of him with less feats so that he can justify the 20 points. If it were the version you linked to, he'd easily have 10 appearances but would likely be 30 pts.{edit} nvrmind. I guess fangirl's changing his story from a guy with a few appearances to one who's been around for decades.
Still, 20 points for that guy? lulz.
Originally posted by fangirl101
There are three versions of the guy. You should know that. I want the one who has the newest appearances becuz those are the comics that I presently have sitting in front of me. I could have easily drafted number 2 as he got killed with an energy over load. very noteworthy of 20 points. But I don't have the comics in front of me. I can't scan what I cant' get to. As if it matters. I'll get the combo I want one way or another. You should know that.
I should know how many versions of a character there are, even if I've never had experience with most of them before? I should know that simply because it makes it easier for you if we all know exactly what you want? To say it's childish to make such claims is a gross understatement.
It's your job to inform us of what we need to know concerning your team. Just like our match, where you tried to hold it against me that I didn't know everything about Alex. If you didn't do a good job informing me and the judges of what he was capable of, you can't make up for it by accusing us of needing to know more. That's sh*tty debating, just as it's sh*tty logic that we should know everything about comics just to placate your crappy draft procedure.
Starscream ended up posting the bio. You could've done that from moment 1. Instead you said a bunch of random stuff as though everyone on the planet should know it, the relied on someone else to finally post the bio that I asked for about 9 times.
As it is, you were a straight jerk in that post. I'd use a harsher word, which it also deserves, but would rather not stoop to a lower level than I need to in order to tell you how insulting that post is.
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And I'm against him for 20 points. Vehemently. Others will need to offer their take as well, since I don't make the final call.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I should know how many versions of a character there are, even if I've never had experience with most of them before? I should know that simply because it makes it easier for you if we all know exactly what you want? To say it's childish to make such claims is a gross understatement.It's your job to inform us of what we need to know concerning your team. Just like our match, where you tried to hold it against me that I didn't know everything about Alex. If you didn't do a good job informing me and the judges of what he was capable of, you can't make up for it by accusing us of needing to know more. That's sh*tty debating, just as it's sh*tty logic that we should know everything about comics just to placate your crappy draft procedure.
Starscream ended up posting the bio. You could've done that from moment 1. Instead you said a bunch of random stuff as though everyone on the planet should know it, the relied on someone else to finally post the bio that I asked for about 9 times.
As it is, you were a straight jerk in that post. I'd use a harsher word, which it also deserves, but would rather not stoop to a lower level than I need to in order to tell you how insulting that post is.
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And I'm against him for 20 points. Vehemently. Others will need to offer their take as well, since I don't make the final call.
Nah, I posted one of them, and you never confirmed whether or not it was the right character. Your original one took me to a broken wiki link.
And I'm not trying to be a know-it-all. I'm asking you to provide the pertinent info for your character isntead of assuming that we're know-it-alls who will agree with your every character whim.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Nah, I posted one of them, and you never confirmed whether or not it was the right character. Your original one took me to a broken wiki link.And I'm not trying to be a know-it-all. I'm asking you to provide the pertinent info for your character isntead of assuming that we're know-it-alls.
Ok, fine. I'm curious though: If he was ok for 20 points and had 10 appearances, you could easily prove that to us and have the team that you want. So...is it that you honestly thought of something better in the 20 minutes that we've been arguing, or are you realizing that you're getting caught in a lie and/or doing something illegal, and thus ducking out of it?
You don't have to answer. I'm not sure whether or not I'd trust it at this point anyway.
All I asked for was information.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Ok, fine. I'm curious though: If he was ok for 20 points and had 10 appearances, you could easily prove that to us and have the team that you want. So...is it that you honestly thought of something better in the 20 minutes that we've been arguing, or are you realizing that you're getting caught in a lie and/or doing something illegal, and thus ducking out of it?You don't have to answer. I'm not sure whether or not I'd trust it at this point anyway.
All I asked for was information.
I don't care if I irked you. We needed info for a brand new character. You gave us none, except vague feats listings that frankly had nothing to do with how you'd clearly be using him. I repeatedly asked for info: you provided none. That's what you have to do in order to justify your draft picks. And then you told me that I should know this guy and his appearances, despite being a brand new character in a series I'm not currently reading.
Now:
Did some research on my own based on our discussion. Of course, none of this is my burden, but was fangirl's to elucidate for us (which he did not).
Anyway, he claims he wants the newest Amazing Man (3rd version, Marcus Clay). Thus, this:
Originally posted by Starscream M
is this the guy?
Originally posted by fangirl101
yes.
...was a lie, though it may not have been a knowing one. It details appearances for every Amazing-Man, not just the recent one.
Assuming he hasn't been around since before 2000 (if he's as new as fangirl says), comicvine lists only 8 appearances for him. Even presuming another few JSA comics which it may have missed (comicvine, however, is normally very thorough, so this is giving him a large benefit of the doubt), we still have the burden of 10 legit appearances, according to delph's earlier ruling...meaning, standing around on-panel doesn't count. They must include feats. I don't have all 8 issues, but on a team like the JSA, it's safe to assume that bumps him down to 5-6, at best.
So. He doesn't meet the appearance limit, and it's doubtful we have a definite power range for him. He's banned on that technicality regardless of his power level though.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I don't care if I irked you. We needed info for a brand new character. You gave us none, except vague feats listings that frankly had nothing to do with how you'd clearly be using him. I repeatedly asked for info: you provided none. That's what you have to do in order to justify your draft picks. And then you told me that I should know this guy and his appearances, despite being a brand new character in a series I'm not currently reading.Now:
Did some research on my own based on our discussion. Of course, none of this is my burden, but was fangirl's to elucidate for us (which he did not).
Anyway, he claims he wants the newest Amazing Man (3rd version, Marcus Clay). Thus, this:
...was a lie, though it may not have been a knowing one. It details appearances for every Amazing-Man, not just the recent one.
Assuming he hasn't been around since before 2000 (if he's as new as fangirl says), comicvine lists only 8 appearances for him. Even presuming another few JSA comics which it may have missed (comicvine, however, is normally very thorough, so this is giving him a large benefit of the doubt), we still have the burden of 10 legit appearances, according to delph's earlier ruling...meaning, standing around on-panel doesn't count. They must include feats. I don't have all 8 issues, but on a team like the JSA, it's safe to assume that bumps him down to 5-6, at best.
So. He doesn't meet the appearance limit, and it's doubtful we have a definite power range for him. He's banned on that technicality regardless of his power level though.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Drops Firestar -25 points
Drops Speed Ball- 20 PointsAdds:
Amazing Man II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing-Man_(DC_Comics)30 points