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Originally posted by Enyalus
You can read, correct?

I know the literal translation of 'Jihad.' Yes. You're right there. But what did I say? "as defined by its recreator, Saladin..." Saladin wrote entire books on the subject in order to influence and rally the entire Islamic world to the Crusade against the Christian crusaders. And it is that definition which Islamic extremists use.

You know who Saladin is, right?

Believe me, I've got nothing against Muslims. It takes a tremendous committment and discipline to pray 5 times per day, for instance...

My prayers go something like this:

"Please, God, I don't want to wake up tomorrow. Please, please let me die nice and peacefully in my sleep."

Hence why I'm always pissed off in the morning. She never listens to me.

Emo.

Naw. Not in the least. 😄

Originally posted by Enyalus
You can read, correct?

I know the literal translation of 'Jihad.' Yes. You're right there. But what did I say? "as defined by its recreator, Saladin..." Saladin wrote entire books on the subject in order to influence and rally the entire Islamic world to the Crusade against the Christian crusaders. And it is that definition which Islamic extremists use.

You know who Saladin is, right?

Believe me, I've got nothing against Muslims. It takes a tremendous committment and discipline to pray 5 times per day, for instance...

I suggest you watch Kingdom of Heaven. It shows quite an unbiased portrayal of Salahudin. and whatever books he wrote in those days to fight against the Christian Crusaders has to be read in exactly that context. i.e. a fight against the Christian Crusaders of the time. It has no relevance in todays context.

As for Extremists and Terroists, they're usually just big hypocrytes. For example a couple of the 9/11 bombers were out Drinking at Strip Clubs the night before their attack! People of GOD?? yeah sure! trust me those attacks are more political than they are Religious.

Bush claimed that he invaded Iraq in the name of GOD. but is anyone here really gna claim that that invasion had anything to do with Religion?? I doubt it. There are Extremists everywhere in all walks of life. Eradicating Religion would do nothing to Eradicate Extremists.

Muslims are great. My beat friend Pauls one and he's just about the nicest guy I've ever met, despite his inability to stop laughing at my border-line psychotic jokes.
Anyway, I'm pretty much an agnostic in that if a God does exist, then great, life isn't all there is. But I'm not going to start worshipping someone becuase they threaten to turture me for eternity for ever if I don't.
If there isn't a God then, oh well, once I die it ceases to be a problem. Not much I can do about that.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I suggest you watch Kingdom of Heaven. It shows quite an unbiased portrayal of Salahudin. and whatever books he wrote in those days to fight against the Christian Crusaders has to be read in exactly that context. i.e. a fight against the Christian Crusaders of the time. It has no relevance in todays context.

As for Extremists and Terroists, they're usually just big hypocrytes. For example a couple of the 9/11 bombers were out Drinking at Strip Clubs the night before their attack! People of GOD?? yeah sure! trust me those attacks are more political than they are Religious.

Bush claimed that he invaded Iraq in the name of GOD. but is anyone here really gna claim that that invasion had anything to do with Religion?? I doubt it. There are Extremists everywhere in all walks of life. Eradicating Religion would do nothing to Eradicate Extremists.

this is why i trust neither religion or politics...anything can be used to justify killing people 😬

Ah, but it takes religion to make that a bad thing.

kinda..like i said -

religion is in some way the catalyst for extremism

religion can start it, but politics is what gets people talking about it 😬

Eh, what I meant was that killing is only bad because people believe that theres something special about humans (made by god etc) and that the 'Almighty' will punish you for it.
So you see, without Gods, we become immoral degenerates.

That would be Awesome!!!droolio

Is that what you meant?

nope, 2 completely different meanings 😂

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I suggest you watch Kingdom of Heaven. It shows quite an unbiased portrayal of Salahudin. and whatever books he wrote in those days to fight against the Christian Crusaders has to be read in exactly that context. i.e. a fight against the Christian Crusaders of the time. It has no relevance in todays context.

I've got the special edition DVD...

It does have relevance in today's context, because that is the definition the extremists use.

I never "dissed" Islam as a whole.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Muslims are great. My beat friend Pauls one and he's just about the nicest guy I've ever met, despite his inability to stop laughing at my border-line psychotic jokes.
Anyway, I'm pretty much an agnostic in that if a God does exist, then great, life isn't all there is. But I'm not going to start worshipping someone becuase they threaten to turture me for eternity for ever if I don't.
If there isn't a God then, oh well, once I die it ceases to be a problem. Not much I can do about that.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
"GOD does not forbid you to be GOOD and JUST to those who DO NOT FIGHT YOU on account of your religion. Indeed ALLAH LOVES THOSE who are GOOD and JUST. Its only against those who fought you on account of your Religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that that ALLAH forbids you to befriend them, then such are the Zalimun(wrongdoers)." Quran Surah(chapter) 60 verses 8-9.

In other words the Quran encourages us to be Good and loving and Just to all people, but does not allow us to just sit idly by while your being attacked raped and pillaged.

So NO its not a violent or dangerous religion if you read it in context and dnt just take verses out at random to try to prove its viloent. Those verses you took out were talking about when people of other religions were attacking Muslims just for being Muslims, just for saying: Theres only One GOD.. and do Righteous deeds and be good people because thats why hes put us here.

So no Islams not dangerous. But people like you who try so desperatley to Villanise a Whole Religion and thereby encourage hatred towards a whole group of people(over a billion), people like you who are intolerant of other faiths and people and only try to show how Bad we are instead of trying to see the Good in people.. its people like you who are the dangerous ones. and by the way Lucas would say youve learned nothing from his films, and you dnt understand Star Wars one little bit.

hahaha i got owned!!! But i think you misunderstand me. I have nothing against Islam specifically. My problem is religion as a whole. Trust me, there are just as many passages refering to violance in the bible as there are in the quran (koran? w/e). So ALL religion is dangerous, and i have no specific qualms with Islam. In fact, a good friend of mine is muslim and she is one of the nicest girls in my school, although a bit annoying.

And extremism can be related to politics, but if you look a bit closer, it is always about religion. Israel and Palistine? Said to be about land, but it is really just about the muslim palistinians trying to kill the jews and get them off the holy land. India and Pakistan? Politics? Land? Mildly, but mostly about the muslims and hindus hating each other AND defending their own religion. See where im going? Although the Quran says you can fight after being attacked to defend Islam, that starts age old rivalries and allow massacres. How far will one go to defend their religion? kill women and children? Destroy entire lands? and those arent even extremists! They are doing what they are allowed to do by the book on which they base their lives on. Jews and Muslim? They have been killing each other for a long time, since Muhammad i believe, and Muslims say they are STILL defending their religion, and that gives them full right to kill. Dont get me wrong, Christians did and still do some AWFUL things, but we are talking about Islam.

Also, our morality has VERY little to actually do with God. The police do a better job at stopping crime than God. Frank Lucas, notorious drug dealer who personally murdered men and sold products that killed hundreds and ruined countless lives was a devout Christian that went to church every sunday. Humans are naturally good, although capable of EXTREME cruelness (especially in the name of God).

No I dnt think Religion is dangerous personally.

its Divisions that are dangerous. when you start dividing people into Muslims and Jews and Christians and Hindus. When you start saying US and THEM. thats when it all gets messed up. there shuldnt be an US and THEM. we should care just as much for other people as we do for our own people. it should hurt us just as much when air raids kill Afghan or Iraqi civilians as it does when a terroist attack kills western civilians.

Remember the Cold War. That wasnt over religion, it was over Communism and Capitalism. Again Dividing people into groups.

Religion is just about following different ways of life and different morals, which people will always have. But the key is to be tolerant of all people and find common ground between us and remember we're all brothers in humanity first.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
we should care just as much for other people as we do for our own people.

That's why our welfare system is drained, Social Security is drying up, and we let millions of illegal immigrants into the country to take away jobs from legal American citizens while granting them tax breaks and exemptions. We're soft enough.

Originally posted by Enyalus

That's why our welfare system is drained, Social Security is drying up, and we let millions of illegal immigrants into the country to take away jobs from legal American citizens while granting them tax breaks and exemptions. We're soft enough. [/B]

second that

It's fine to care for other people. But when you destroy yourself trying to help everyone, you sorta disillusion others from helping at all.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No I dnt think Religion is dangerous personally.

its Divisions that are dangerous. when you start dividing people into Muslims and Jews and Christians and Hindus. When you start saying US and THEM. thats when it all gets messed up. there shuldnt be an US and THEM. we should care just as much for other people as we do for our own people. it should hurt us just as much when air raids kill Afghan or Iraqi civilians as it does when a terroist attack kills western civilians.

Remember the Cold War. That wasnt over religion, it was over Communism and Capitalism. Again Dividing people into groups.

Religion is just about following different ways of life and different morals, which people will always have. But the key is to be tolerant of all people and find common ground between us and remember we're all brothers in humanity first.

Religion is dangerous when it asks us to believe things on 'faith' rather than reason. It is dangerous when seeking answers is discouraged, and we are encouraged to remain in ignorance. It is dangerous when it forces us to have a higher allegiance than to our own well being (placing God above our own welfare). It is dangerous when rules, laws and myths more than 2000 years old are viewed as factual telling of history and as a guide for our life. It is dangerous when millions of people are willing to lay down their lives in defense of an ideal that can be warped to whatever end their leaders wish. Religion is dangerous because it prevents us from thinking for ourselves.

Originally posted by Jbill311
Religion is dangerous when it asks us to believe things on 'faith' rather than reason. It is dangerous when seeking answers is discouraged, and we are encouraged to remain in ignorance. It is dangerous when it forces us to have a higher allegiance than to our own well being (placing God above our own welfare). It is dangerous when rules, laws and myths more than 2000 years old are viewed as factual telling of history and as a guide for our life. It is dangerous when millions of people are willing to lay down their lives in defense of an ideal that can be warped to whatever end their leaders wish. Religion is dangerous because it prevents us from thinking for ourselves.

religion does one major thing that makes it the opposite of dangerous though. It instills morals because it forces the people who believe them to subject to a higher authority. If the be-all and end-all is what we can get for ourselves, or "our own well-being" then the entire moral compass goes out the window.
If i believed that my entire purpose in life was to promote my own well-being, and i knew how to rip off a little old lady for several hundred k dollars, what would keep me from doing that? my own conscience? hardly. There would be no reason for me not to put my own well-being ahead of the old lady and take her money. None. It would be stupid for me to pass on the opportunity. Believing that i would have to answer to a higher authority later however, would keep me from doing it, and therefore protect the lady, and in the same breath BETTER society. So it works both ways.

Why not have sex at every opportunity? it improves my own well-being. But, i could end up with aids, and therefore using welfare for medical coverage, or father more children than i'm capable of properly taking care of. This would have nothing but a harmful affect on society as well.

Reason alone can't result in a less-dangerous society, or Marxism would work every time. You idea of us promoting our own personal well-being would only result in a MORE dangerous society, not less so.