Pyron and Nosgoth vs Dark Titan and Jedah

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont know utrigos, as i said ime not just going to assume nad pull things out of a hat, ime simply stating you cannot assume imedialtey he is greater in magical powers when it could indeed be durability, strength or even other things we dont know. Its not absurd if he was massively powerful and had a type of magic they didnt, they would want it, destoriyng sargeras wouldnt be profitable. If he can speak back, then surely he is doing the same feat as someone speaking to him...

You listed trivial powers such as a fire aura when hes on planets for example, in the same post however your claiming he is superior t Eredar in magic or that they are like fleas to him not from feats but statements and assumption, hypocritical. Scion Kain has powers as ive said from beings already shown in LOK, stated he gains them and furthermore logic, no assumption, an assumption would be something I didnt know as fact, but we know as fact he has the powers.

Well you were asking me before to prove he could shake the Earth when we both (i hope) know that an object moving at the speed of light would just zap through the Earth, not shake...although proof for Pyron going lightspeed I dont remember having myself, I was presented it I belive however by Dark Jaxx so ill rely on him to prove this.

yes and then the WoE exploded causing the sundering, thus the Portal still has no feats, its implosion simply made the Well explode but there was no damage from the portal at all. Yes fueling the portal, until that was too much after the ritual and the portal imploded, there is still no mention at all of the power of the sundering or anything like it in the portal, simply that it was drawring on the wells energy but nothing of the power of the sundering or how much damage, which isnt impressive since Illidan survived it anyway and he was right near the area where it happened.

All I'm saying BT is that I find it unlikely that a race that uses magic to rank themselves would accept a offer from a being that was at a lower magical level then themselve. Which type of Magic? He is a warlock like they are, most of the power that he wielded as a titan would most likely be gone since the titans doesn't use arcane magic the very same source that Sargeras now uses. If he had lower magic then themselve all indicates that they would have attacked him since he had nothing to offer, they would only have listened if he was above them. Not quiet Charles Xaviar for instance can communicate with someone on the other side of the galaxy but he is doing all the work, the Person he is in contact with are thinking his answers Charles Read them and then sends his own view on the subject to him, it's one way telepathy.

I didn't list Fire power I didn't even mention his aura that can destroy a ecosystem, I mentioned his feats that puts him above such a Eredar as Archimonde the striking through the portal with magical might something Archimonde couldn't do contact with telepathy is another, the statement just further supports the analogy, on the other hand we have Scion Kain who has no feats you can never bring more then assumptions concerning his powerlevel and theirfore you are depending on "what if" and "he might" ore "it's possible that Kain" etc so you have to draw forth the very same statements that doesn't even exist in game to support you analogy concerning Scion Kain.

If I send you with Lightspeed towards Earth, you will be squashed, the earth density being much higher then your own and having a speed of it's own, you will make a hole granted but we isn't talking about a meteor we are talking about you and you are after all made of flesh and bones. Then I will ask you to restrain from using it until it has been proven.

Except that the portal was being kept intact and created channeled etc by the well, that means that the wells energy are used to keep Sargeras trapped and slowly squash him, and what do you think happens when a portal that is drawing it's energies from the well of eternity begins to collapse? It was never to much for the Ritual the Ritual was interrupted by Illidan, the energy resources that the Highborn could draw was infinite. So a portal that is drawing infinite energy doesn't produce anything impressive interesting...

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And he never said "This is mortal Pyron."

But he said the one I was talking about the one I was talking about was Mortal Pyron since he had no idea who you and BT where talking about.

Originally posted by Utrigita
But he said the one I was talking about the one I was talking about was Mortal Pyron since he had no idea who you and BT where talking about.

I guess that is the only way to give Sargeras the win over him...

Originally posted by Utrigita
All I'm saying BT is that I find it unlikely that a race that uses magic to rank themselves would accept a offer from a being that was at a lower magical level then themselve. Which type of Magic? He is a warlock like they are, most of the power that he wielded as a titan would most likely be gone since the titans doesn't use arcane magic the very same source that Sargeras now uses. If he had lower magic then themselve all indicates that they would have attacked him since he had nothing to offer, they would only have listened if he was above them. Not quiet Charles Xaviar for instance can communicate with someone on the other side of the galaxy but he is doing all the work, the Person he is in contact with are thinking his answers Charles Read them and then sends his own view on the subject to him, it's one way telepathy.

I didn't list Fire power I didn't even mention his aura that can destroy a ecosystem, I mentioned his feats that puts him above such a Eredar as Archimonde the striking through the portal with magical might something Archimonde couldn't do contact with telepathy is another, the statement just further supports the analogy, on the other hand we have Scion Kain who has no feats you can never bring more then assumptions concerning his powerlevel and theirfore you are depending on "what if" and "he might" ore "it's possible that Kain" etc so you have to draw forth the very same statements that doesn't even exist in game to support you analogy concerning Scion Kain.

If I send you with Lightspeed towards Earth, you will be squashed, the earth density being much higher then your own and having a speed of it's own, you will make a hole granted but we isn't talking about a meteor we are talking about you and you are after all made of flesh and bones. Then I will ask you to restrain from using it until it has been proven.

Except that the portal was being kept intact and created channeled etc by the well, that means that the wells energy are used to keep Sargeras trapped and slowly squash him, and what do you think happens when a portal that is drawing it's energies from the well of eternity begins to collapse? It was never to much for the Ritual the Ritual was interrupted by Illidan, the energy resources that the Highborn could draw was infinite. So a portal that is drawing infinite energy doesn't produce anything impressive interesting...

But you said Sarg had Fel magic, which the Eredar did not have, not to mention he promised them a lot of power as well.

vut you said Archimonde spoke back to Sarg?

I draw forth statements and information on the game, no assumption, it is proven he is the SCion of balance, it is proven he gains pruifcation and full connectio nto the pillars, lets assume we only use whats shown in gameplay, he only has the 4 emblems (which in theory the whole piece should in canon be for every pillar) are enough to do everything Kain would need in VS battles, he has energy, time, dimension etc etc.

There are no "what ifs" since the fact he is a balance guardian with access to all the pillars is fact....look on the same site I always post and youll find clearly hes a balance guardian.

I wouldnt be squashed, lets suppose I could survive lightspeed, my desniity while moving at this speed would be so high, the Earths wouldnt be nearly as high, the Earth is not equel to density or weight as an object moving at lightspeed because the weight alone woul be enough to smash me through the planet OR the planet would likely explode even if I was splatered the force would still hit, smashing the planet to bits. Ime not going to defend Pyron anymore, kain is my champion in this battle, Pyrons tbh is Jaxx.

Thats not true, the wells eneergy kept the portal powered but that doesnt mean its power was crushing in on Sargeras at all. Well nothing impressive from your Sarg feat, it is impressive to create a portal between realms in itsel, but that doesnt help SArgs endurance. The sundering is what the discussion of endurane is about which Sarg was not hit by. The power of the portals crushing is unkown, since you cannot compare its power supply thats keeping it up as a crushing force.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
So, because he is not knowledgable on the character, and for some reason you decided to assume we are using Pyron at his weakest form, it has to be mortal Pyron now?

I guess that is the only way to give Sargeras the win over him...

I take it that when he had no idea what is was you where talking about and he mentioned that we are using my version which has always been the human size Pyron, but else PM him and ask that is what I did.

I don't like to debate a Character that I have no knowlegde about what so ever and when people on top of that doesn't even show me any proof of their claims I see no reason to argue that Character unless the other party exist on continue to beat on a dead horse.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I take it that when he had no idea what is was you where talking about and he mentioned that we are using my version which has always been the human size Pyron, but else PM him and ask that is what I did.

I don't like to debate a Character that I have no knowlegde about what so ever and when people on top of that doesn't even show me any proof of their claims I see no reason to argue that Character unless the other party exist on continue to beat on a dead horse.

The humor in this is...Alot of the feats I was mentioning were Mortal Pyron's feats. Telepathy affecting all of Makai, destroying an entire race of Darkstalkers by landing in the Atlantic, splitting Bishamon from his armor which was attached via soul, mind, and body, all Mortal Pyron.

And you never asked for proof of most of the things I said...

Originally posted by Burning thought
But you said Sarg had Fel magic, which the Eredar did not have, not to mention he promised them a lot of power as well.

vut you said Archimonde spoke back to Sarg?

I draw forth statements and information on the game, no assumption, it is proven he is the SCion of balance, it is proven he gains pruifcation and full connectio nto the pillars, lets assume we only use whats shown in gameplay, he only has the 4 emblems (which in theory the whole piece should in canon be for every pillar) are enough to do everything Kain would need in VS battles, he has energy, time, dimension etc etc.

There are no "what ifs" since the fact he is a balance guardian with access to all the pillars is fact....look on the same site I always post and youll find clearly hes a balance guardian.

I wouldnt be squashed, lets suppose I could survive lightspeed, my desniity while moving at this speed would be so high, the Earths wouldnt be nearly as high, the Earth is not equel to density or weight as an object moving at lightspeed because the weight alone woul be enough to smash me through the planet [b]OR the planet would likely explode even if I was splatered the force would still hit, smashing the planet to bits. Ime not going to defend Pyron anymore, kain is my champion in this battle, Pyrons tbh is Jaxx.

Thats not true, the wells eneergy kept the portal powered but that doesnt mean its power was crushing in on Sargeras at all. Well nothing impressive from your Sarg feat, it is impressive to create a portal between realms in itsel, but that doesnt help SArgs endurance. The sundering is what the discussion of endurane is about which Sarg was not hit by. The power of the portals crushing is unkown, since you cannot compare its power supply thats keeping it up as a crushing force. [/B]

Yes I did, but they could have learned that sooner ore later by themselves fel magic are in a nutshell just arcane magic with a twist of evil. If you look at how the eredar sociaty work (again) then those that for instance can use wish and shapechange are barely noticed, even if Sargeras came with promises of power he would have to have a very impressive level of magic beyond the eredars own to attract their attention.

Yes I did, but my meaning was a different on I toke it that I had made clear that Archimonde couldn't do that already so... But nevermind.

Information and statements but no feats, feats that you are so desperate to have when it's concerning Sargeras but when it's concerning Kain it's obviously a entirely different story. But it isn't in the gameplay so don't even begin with the little twist. And none of those way he utilized any of those powers will be efficiant against Sargeras.

The problem is that you have posted no site, and I think I already can the site concerning Nosgoth in my sleep, but please by all means.

Lets suppose you could survive moving at lightspeed that would mean that if my calculation are correct with a body density of roughly 1 g/cm^3 and me having the form of a ball that would be a diameter of roughly a meter and a height of that too, now etc etc i ended with a produced power of 770,362 megaton, impressive a cylindrical asteroid 10 km in height x 10 km in diameter impacted the earth at 30,000 mph. Calculate the energy dissipated, in megatons of TNT, ends at 50 million megatons you are welcome to calculate after the human part puzzles me.

So if I'm wired into a nuclear powerplant I doesn't the the electricity from the atom turbines? Again you are having a portal that is being fueled by the energies of the Well of eternity crashing down on you causing a implosion that results in a explosion, if the Portal was just a "ordinary portal" then Sargeras could easily have fixed it, but it wasn't it was a portal powered by his fellow titans with immense energy.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
So we must debate human sized, mortal Pyron cause you don't know anything about full power Pyron?

The humor in this is...Alot of the feats I was mentioning were Mortal Pyron's feats. Telepathy affecting all of Makai, destroying an entire race of Darkstalkers by landing in the Atlantic, splitting Bishamon from his armor which was attached via soul, mind, and body, all Mortal Pyron.

And you never asked for proof of most of the things I said...

I will happily debate him if that is to be the case but then contact the threadstarter I isn't the threadstarter I toke Mortal Pyron because none could proof what they said about full power Pyron when I asked for it a while back.

You have mentioned Galaxy power, energy manipulation etc, I don't recall you mentioning any of those.

I haven't been debating you very much V2D the first time I quoted you was on page 6 what you have mentioned prior to that srug I have been occupied I haven't even seen you mentioning those feats.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I will happily debate him if that is to be the case but then contact the threadstarter I isn't the threadstarter I toke Mortal Pyron because none could proof what they said about full power Pyron when I asked for it a while back.

You have mentioned Galaxy power, energy manipulation etc, I don't recall you mentioning any of those.

I haven't been debating you very much V2D the first time I quoted you was on page 6 what you have mentioned prior to that srug I have been occupied I haven't even seen you mentioning those feats.

Energy manipulation...Do I really have to prove THAT one to you. 😐

Meh. Still hurts my feelings. 🙁

Oh yeah and BT...I would appreciate it if you didn't tell people I said things that I never said. 😐

Seriously. haermm

like what? everything I use for Pyron comes from you.

Well you told people I said Hellstorm is bigger than Jupiter.

I never really said that, Vampire Savior and others did.

You said I called Mortal Pyron lightspeed.

Never said that.

You claimed pyron many diffrent sizes, first galaxy, then you called him sun sized which was also wrong, then you claimed his planet was in the regions of juptior size, I think it may have beeni in one of the other Kain vs Pyron thread.

You did call him lightspeed, you judged that by the fact he apprently flew around the world in a second or two and it by some calculation you made back then light took about a second as well, you claimed he could go lightspeed or very close to it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You claimed pyron many diffrent sizes, first galaxy, then you called him sun sized which was also wrong, then you claimed his planet was in the regions of juptior size, I think it may have beeni in one of the other Kain vs Pyron thread.

You did call him lightspeed, you judged that by the fact he apprently flew around the world in a second or two and it by some calculation you made back then light took about a second as well, you claimed he could go lightspeed or very close to it.

2. No. I said based on the fact that he could circle the world maybe twice in one second, he can go a little more than 25% lightspeed.

Wait...I said that Pyron was bigger, MUCH bigger than the sun, which he is. The sun would be roughly a basket ball to Pyron.

LOOK. The sun and the Earth is a Basket Ball and a pea.

The earth and Pyron is a marble to a man. Really....

And Pyron is WAAAAYYYY faster than light. He 's been to the furthest corners of the universe and back in like a couple hundred million years. It would take light possibly infinity to reach the corner of the universe not to mention corner"S".

Pyron at full power is way faster than light.

At mortal form, he is not.

and actually, it took him only three years to reach one side of the universe to the other. THAT is speed.

Yea, i don't know about mortal Pyron.

He has shown to be a little over 25% of light.

When was that?

OVA.