Originally posted by tkitnaWhich battles did you look at?
Has Thor ever beaten the Hulk? Of all the battles I have of them, I dont remember him ever doing it (though its possible. Its an honest question).Not talking about RKT either.
He's dropped Hulk with lightning.
He basically beat absolutely insane Hulk (no KO however).
He beat Banner Hulk...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Just because you don't enjoy doing something doesn't mean that you're not good at it.
In most cases, it really does.
Ask anyone who's at the top of their game (athlete, actor, cook, businessman) why they're successful and they'll tell you its because they are passionate about what they do.
Now, Surfer may win DESPITE his lack of penchant for violence.
Originally posted by Starscream MBy the way, this thread has been done before.
In most cases, it really does.Ask anyone who's at the top of their game (athlete, actor, cook, businessman) why they're successful and they'll tell you its because they are passionate about what they do.
Now, Surfer may win DESPITE his lack of penchant for violence.
Originally posted by Red Hulkno that thread is different
By the way, this thread has been done before.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=491254&pagenumber=1
that thread is a pure slugfest
this is not a pure slugfest (energy attacks are allowed)
Originally posted by Starscream M
In most cases, it really does.Ask anyone who's at the top of their game (athlete, actor, cook, businessman) why they're successful and they'll tell you its because they are passionate about what they do.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Now, Surfer may win DESPITE his lack of penchant for violence.
Originally posted by Starscream MWhy did you call it a slugfest then? Anyway, so it's handi-capped Surfer vs Sentry?
no that thread is differentthat thread is a pure slugfest
this is not a pure slugfest (energy attacks are allowed)
I thought it was just another slugfest... but with energy attacks allowed... why are we even talking about Surfer's h2h skills then?
HandiSurfer ftw.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Which battles did you look at?He's dropped Hulk with lightning.
He basically beat absolutely insane Hulk (no KO however).
He beat Banner Hulk...
Eh, the ones I remember that I have (sorry, I dont have the issue numbers right now) was a Defenders/Avengers book where they fought, some Annual where I remember Hulk walking away as Thor is laying there, the Warrior Madness episode (its been a long time since i read that and you mentioned he might have been the Maestro then,,,I cant remember), the book where they fight with the adamantium statue, and a book where Hulk tries to lift Thors hammer. I dont remember Thor winning any of those, but as I said, if he did,,,,my fault.
I'm also sure theres probably many fights they've had that i've missed. If Thors won a few, i'd love to pick them up as I always hated it that Hulk would never lose when I was younger.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Yea I didn't like that post myself, and it really made no sense whatsoever, WWHulk was Thor's superior in strength, as well as Gladiator, BRB. and Hercules.... The Hulk pummeled Herc after all. Kakuzu you need to go back and reread WWHulk, and while you're at it Planet Hulk as well. Thor can say many things I mean he was talking shyt as Red Hulk was busting his ass, but it was just talk.In the history of comics Thor has never conclusively shown to be the Hulks superior in a fight, he's won a few and so has the Hulk, but Thor has never shown that he was stronger than the newer incarnations of the Hulk.
Okay you have never read a Hulk or Thor comic its official.
First off Hulk and Thor have fought about 12 times if not more. Hulk has run away about 2 or 3 times. Thor has killed Hulk four times and the others he has beaten him down. Last fight Thor lost to Hulk once in the history of comics. Yet you state he isn't stronger then Hulk. Yeah you need to pick up a comic book. I can give you a site to download them. That was completely stupid. How you can you say Thor isn't superior when he's killed Hulk before and Hulk has never even come close to killing him but once.
Hercules loses to Hulk so what. Nobody ever agrees a guy thousands of years of age with amazing fighting abilities to should lose to Hulk. If you agree then that just shows what you really like Hulk not logic.
Also show me where Thor hasn't been shown to be stronger then current Hulk? What has he done? Last time I checked He's beaten people that Thor has beaten or can beat. Also even classic Thor has been shown to take a three and hit a tank so hard he destroyed it at the molecular level Some 10 hulks probably couldn't even do.
When did he talk shyt to Red Hulk? He just said some thing to him beat on him then Lost. Red Hulk pwned Green Hulk why would you even bring that up when your defending Green Hulk? At least name some one they both didn't lose to. Also Thor didn't and wasn't using his Odin force which has been said to be activated only when a serious threat was around. Surtur, and Destroyer count Red Hulk and Iron don't count which shows how weak they really are if he really tried.
Originally posted by tkitna
Eh, the ones I remember that I have (sorry, I dont have the issue numbers right now) was a Defenders/Avengers book where they fought, some Annual where I remember Hulk walking away as Thor is laying there, the Warrior Madness episode (its been a long time since i read that and you mentioned he might have been the Maestro then,,,I cant remember), the book where they fight with the adamantium statue, and a book where Hulk tries to lift Thors hammer. I dont remember Thor winning any of those, but as I said, if he did,,,,my fault.I'm also sure theres probably many fights they've had that i've missed. If Thors won a few, i'd love to pick them up as I always hated it that Hulk would never lose when I was younger.
Was the serious? That same issue with the Statue Hulk was getting his A$$ handed to him like never before. He even had to use the statue to save him self from Thor who would have killed him.
When Hulk tried to lift up Thors hammer the first fight Hulk lost that one. Thor took off the enchantment and Thor wanted to fight with no hammer he almost killed him.
Thor and Hulk fought yes when he was in Warriors madness. Hulk definitely didn't win this. I know you couldn't possibly think that. I think all Hulk got on Thor was holding his head while he had tried to run foward. People regarded that as a Hulk feat when truly anybody could have pulled that off.
Times Thor killed Hulk
Breaks his neck.
He hit him in the face with his hammer in the Mangaverse when Hulk was 70ft tall an mereged with Surtur.
He killed him when He fought Hulk and Thing at the same time and had no odin force because it had been suppressed.
One more moment I forgotten. He killed him.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ask a hooker(doesn't matter how successful) how much she actually enjoys sleeping with people that she doesn't know and isn't attracted to. Now ask one of her John's how good she is in bed...Which is pretty much what I was saying. Surfer doesn't LIKE to fight, but that doesn't mean he can't do it well if pressed. Hell, most MA masters will tell you that fighting should be a last resort and it should be avoided if at all possible, but that doesn't automatically mean that they're unable to beat the shit out of a random sadist who actually enjoys hurting others.
umm...the hooker example was a poor one. Sure, the hooker may be successful despite not really being into it. But my point was that if a hooker was into what she was doing, then she would be better than the hooker who was merely faking it.
Also, most MA fighters do like fighting...hence why they pursued mastering it. Just because they don't choose to beat up random folks don't mean they don't like fighting per say...just that they don't like to abuse others.
Originally posted by tkitna
Show proof of what? The earth based heros knocking the crap out of Thor, Herc, and Glads? Ask Wonder Man to tell the story of how he beat Thor. Maybe ask Hulk about the many times he's beaten down all of them (all at once a few times) and then come back with your earth based garbage (did you make that up by yourself?). Sure Thor, Herc, and Glads might start off stronger than base Hulks strength, but how well did that serve them? Thor not beating the Hulk because he felt sorry for him,,,,please. Warrior Madness Thor looked real forgiving as the Hulk still pounded on him.As for Sentry, its hard to say if Surfer takes him. Theres a lot of feats that would say its surely possible and if he used every trick in his aresonal, i'd give him the mojority. In just a H2H matchup,,,,Nah. Sentry in the right frame of mind would put the boots to him.
Didn't Wonder man get knocked to the middle of the earth by Gladiator? Didn't WM get hit so fast and Hard by Gladiator he didn't notice the punch till it hit him? Didn't Thor nearly kill Gladiator on their first encounter? Yeah ABC my friend.
As how many times Hulk has lost to Thor and died to Thor. Then ask how many times Hulk has killed Thor.
My earth based Garbage as you may call it is true. So you think Namor is as as strong as BRB then? You think Sentry is as strong as Gladiator who was seen moving planet sized Asteroids when Sentry couldn't even move one hellcarrier with out help from WM, and Ms.Marvel? That is the garbage there what you seem to believe.
Show me Sentrys best feat, and I can show you Surfers worst feat, and it can still look better then Sentrys own. Thats how badly Surfer would beat Sentry. Plus Hulk can't even Hurt Surfer. Hulk can kill Sentry.
Originally posted by tkitnaIn the Defenders/Avengers issue, Thor almost knocked out Hulk, but paused...
Eh, the ones I remember that I have (sorry, I dont have the issue numbers right now) was a Defenders/Avengers book where they fought, some Annual where I remember Hulk walking away as Thor is laying there, the Warrior Madness episode (its been a long time since i read that and you mentioned he might have been the Maestro then,,,I cant remember), the book where they fight with the adamantium statue, and a book where Hulk tries to lift Thors hammer. I dont remember Thor winning any of those, but as I said, if he did,,,,my fault.I'm also sure theres probably many fights they've had that i've missed. If Thors won a few, i'd love to pick them up as I always hated it that Hulk would never lose when I was younger.
In the Annual, they fought three times. The first is where Hulk punched him into a mountain. The second is where Thor KO'ed him. And the third is when Thor was carrying him and Hulk transformed and cheapshotted him repeatedly, and Thor got up a panel later and made it rain.
Maestro in an alternate timeline and was essentially a stalemate.
The adamantium statue is where we don't really see Hulk connect once, and Thor beats him around for a bunch of pages.
Is that where Thor is holding up the tunnel from collapsing?
You could check the respect thread of Thor (where it has all the pages...), where all of the fights are.
Cripes dude. Your wearing me out.
Originally posted by kakuzu
Okay you have never read a Hulk or Thor comic its official.
Lol, this is good. I've probably been reading Hulk and Thor comics before you were a gleam in some sailors eyes.
First off Hulk and Thor have fought about 12 times if not more. Hulk has run away about 2 or 3 times. Thor has killed Hulk four times and the others he has beaten him down.
So Thor has had the upper hand in every fight? List the issues Einstein.
Last fight Thor lost to Hulk once in the history of comics. Yet you state he isn't stronger then Hulk. Yeah you need to pick up a comic book. I can give you a site to download them. That was completely stupid. How you can you say Thor isn't superior when he's killed Hulk before and Hulk has never even come close to killing him but once.
After reading this, i've come to the conclusion that your an idiot. So the Hulk couldnt have kept beating on an unconcious Thor to kill him? Oh I forgot, Thor has never been knocked out by hulk before. Good lord.
Hercules loses to Hulk so what. Nobody ever agrees a guy thousands of years of age with amazing fighting abilities to should lose to Hulk. If you agree then that just shows what you really like Hulk not logic.
Your the one that brought Hercules up. I cant help it if you find fault in your own examples.
Also show me where Thor hasn't been shown to be stronger then current Hulk? What has he done? Last time I checked He's beaten people that Thor has beaten or can beat. Also even classic Thor has been shown to take a three and hit a tank so hard he destroyed it at the molecular level Some 10 hulks probably couldn't even do.
So now we're assuming 10 Hulks couldnt do something that Thor did? I'm losing interest in you very quickly.
When did he talk shyt to Red Hulk? He just said some thing to him beat on him then Lost. Red Hulk pwned Green Hulk why would you even bring that up when your defending Green Hulk? At least name some one they both didn't lose to. Also Thor didn't and wasn't using his Odin force which has been said to be activated only when a serious threat was around. Surtur, and Destroyer count Red Hulk and Iron don't count which shows how weak they really are if he really tried.
I never once mentioned Red Hulk so again, nobody knows what your talking about, but please dont make excuses for the beating that Thor took to Rulk. Its Loeb, thers really nothing Thor could have done.
Originally posted by tkitna
Cripes dude. Your wearing me out.Lol, this is good. I've probably been reading Hulk and Thor comics before you were a gleam in some sailors eyes.
a)Yet you think Maestro has met Thor? I guess your right.
So Thor has had the upper hand in every fight? List the issues Einstein.
a)List the Issue? But you have just said above you have read them all. You should know them by heart.
After reading this, i've come to the conclusion that your an idiot. So the Hulk couldnt have kept beating on an unconcious Thor to kill him? Oh I forgot, Thor has never been knocked out by hulk before. Good lord.
a)This comes from the Man who was dumb enough to say three issues Hulk has lost to Thor and think that gave Hulk the upper hand. Didn't I state He beat him once? If you actually read the following coming as you claimed he koed Thor to beat him. He didn't proceed to beating on him but rather holding him up.
Your the one that brought Hercules up. I cant help it if you find fault in your own examples.
a)I said Hercules and many others. I only said one example of Hercules that was never directed towards you.
So now we're assuming 10 Hulks couldnt do something that Thor did? I'm losing interest in you very quickly.
a)Don't know if you were born with common sense or not but that was a joke. Its a debate people are aloud to joke. Common sense tells you when something like that is so fake the writer was obviously joking. I clearly stated Hulk can surpass Thor in strength if a fight lasted long enough.
I never once mentioned Red Hulk so again, nobody knows what your talking about, but please dont make excuses for the beating that Thor took to Rulk. Its Loeb, thers really nothing Thor could have done.
a)Funny how you say nobody when its just you.............. I'm not making excusses. Red Hulk could have won just as much as green Hulk however it wouldn't have happened in such a sad way.