The Great Evil Beast Vs PR Beyonder · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by vansonbee
THat your opinion, but overall Beyonder feats / storyline show he is superior to other cosmic being of Marvel and DC. Plus this is back 1970's when he look real cool with his Disco Stu look dancing on top powerful being like The Great Beast or anything come his wayafro

His feats? You know mr. mxy pwns entire realities that he's created. His comic book collection is actually entire realities. Mr. mxy has bfr'd the living embodiment of everything. He's wiped away all the dcu multiverses and set them back. He's breached the fourth wall and knows who the readers are and what he is. He actualy beat the spectre on panel. And his power retconned and event. And that is just for starters. The LT has fashoned two megaverses in his hand. obviously far larger than a multiverse. He sits in judgement over the marvel omniverse. Thanos has wiped away everything with the heart of the universe and then set it all back. The PR beyonder's feats are not beyond some of today's comic cosmics.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on?

Based on the fact it was here before God and is his exact opposite, everything springs forth from The Presence in Creation even Death, Destiny, The Beyonder had to trick M Death into killing herself then with all his power couldn't remake her, makes sense?? Yes because he was not the real Marvel God(TOAA).

occultdestroyer The Original One

Originally posted by vansonbee
That your opinion, but overall Beyonder feats / storyline show he is superior to other cosmic being of Marvel and DC. You said that everyone else seem more powerful in marvel because now days, All character more have detail stories and plot. As the patron get more connected with the comic. Plus this is back 1970's when he look real cool with his Disco Stu look dancing on top powerful being like The Great Beast or anything come his wayafro

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quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by kevdude
Based on the fact it was here before God and is his exact opposite, everything springs forth from The Presence in Creation even Death, Destiny, The Beyonder had to trick M Death into killing herself then with all his power couldn't remake her, makes sense?? Yes because he was not the real Marvel God(TOAA).

TOAA is the person creating the story. Lets keep this to on panel creations.

Beyonder lowered himself and still was well beyond the entire marvel multiverse. Beyonder wins this easily imo.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Originally posted by quanchi112
TOAA is the person creating the story. Lets keep this to on panel creations.
Beyonder lowered himself and still was well beyond the entire marvel multiverse. Beyonder wins this easily imo.

TOAA is not the person creating the story, it is how they saw TOAA/God even in Spiderman we saw TOAA and he looked completely different 😂 . How foolish would it be since DC has the Jewish/Christian God as there top being and everyone running around saying its above everything else because he's based off the real world, we could do that if you want.. 🙄

The Beyonder before he went into the MU had all his power and still couldn't understand it, that's the main reason why he wanted to 'walk the path' of the real God but he isn't and never will be!

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by kevdude
TOAA is not the person creating the story, it is how they saw TOAA/God even in Spiderman we saw TOAA and he looked completely different 😂 . How foolish would it be since DC has the Jewish/Christian God as there top being and everyone running around saying its above everything else because he's based off the real world, we could do that if you want.. 🙄
The Beyonder before he went into the MU had all his power and still couldn't understand it, that's the main reason why he wanted to 'walk the path' of the real God but he isn't and never will be!

TOAA is the person creating the story. TOAA can choose to represent themselves in any way they see fit in their own story.

Again,no one in marvel could defeat a fully powered Beyonder save Thanos with the heart imo. Beyonder was supreme on panel while the geb wasnt. Beyonder has better feats as well than the geb.

Space M ummy Senior Member

Originally posted by kevdude
Based on the fact it was here before God and is his exact opposite, everything springs forth from The Presence in Creation even Death, Destiny, The Beyonder had to trick M Death into killing herself then with all his power couldn't remake her, makes sense?? Yes because he was not the real Marvel God(TOAA).

As noted before, everything the beyonder did during secret wars was accomplished with him LIMITING himself to a fraction of his true power.

and in discussing Pre-Retcon beyonder, you have to consider that prior to the retcon, the cosmic entities shown were pretty much all that there was. There was no infinity gauntlet. there was no HOTU. There was no TOAA. The multiverse and all contained within were ALL THAT WAS to the marvel universe, and outside of that was the beyond realm.

You can't bring up entities that didn't exist pre-retcon when discussing PR beyonder. Saying "he's not TOAA" makes no sense since TOAA as a concept wasn't valid back then. Everything that could have shown up to stop PR beyonder did, and all of them failed.

As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and everything in it) combined.

simply put, the beyonder WAS god of his own reality many many many times greater than the marvel multiverse. He couldn't be killed, couldn't be stopped, and anything he wanted to do, he did. There's no way to mount a debate against this kind of character. Can we lock these threads now, please?

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Space M ummy
As noted before, everything the beyonder did during secret wars was accomplished with him LIMITING himself to a fraction of his true power.
and in discussing Pre-Retcon beyonder, you have to consider that prior to the retcon, the cosmic entities shown were pretty much all that there was. There was no infinity gauntlet. there was no HOTU. There was no TOAA. The multiverse and all contained within were ALL THAT WAS to the marvel universe, and outside of that was the beyond realm.
You can't bring up entities that didn't exist pre-retcon when discussing PR beyonder. Saying "he's not TOAA" makes no sense since TOAA as a concept wasn't valid back then. Everything that could have shown up to stop PR beyonder did, and all of them failed.
As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and everything in it) combined.
simply put, the beyonder WAS god of his own reality many many many times greater than the marvel multiverse. He couldn't be killed, couldn't be stopped, and anything he wanted to do, he did. There's no way to mount a debate against this kind of character. Can we lock these threads now, please?

And What exactly could this beyonder do to the GEB? So becuz no one at the time was more than mutliversal, means that the beyonder couldn't be killed or couldn't be killed by those multiversal beings?

Space M ummy Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
And What exactly could this beyonder do to the GEB? So becuz no one at the time was more than mutliversal, means that the beyonder couldn't be killed or couldn't be killed by those multiversal beings?

That's the point I'm trying to make. the beyonder could do whatever he wanted to anyone with no limitations. The only restrictions he ran up against in secret wars were self imposed.

As written, anything that existed in the marvel universe was irrelevant to the beyonder, since the realm that he represented was infinitely larger- as a drop of water to an entire ocean, I believe the phrase was. There was no "omniversal" back then- there was the multiverse, and there was the beyond realm, and that was it.

If the beyonder wanted to turn the multiverse into a bushel of apples then hey, he could do it because the beyond realm >>>>>>>> the marvel multiverse.

It's a BAD CHARACTER to use in debates, since it could not be and was not defeated by anything in existence.

The "retcon" in "pre retcon beyonder" was not only necessary to depower the beyonder, but also established things outside of the marvel multiverse "fixing" a lot of the bad universal/multiversal/etc arguments that made the beyonder ludicrously powerful.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by kevdude
The Beyonder had to trick M Death into killing herself

False.

Beyonder never tricked Death into doing anything.

Beyonder summoned the Death with a gesture,
then made the drink right before her eyes,
he even explained how it was going to kill her, and how the reality would change:

Originally posted by kevdude
then with all his power couldn't remake her, makes sense??

No, how can it make sense when talking about something that never happened in comics?

"All his power" 😂 ...
Beyonder was limiting himself by the second issue, in the off-tie-in.

On top of that, if he couldn't remake her, how did she come back?

Come on Kev, cut the jokes, other may take you serious.

When all the power in the Multiverse combined (including MM & LT's)
was UNABLE to kill anything across infinity, because there was no Death:

Only Beyonder was able to kill something, thus re-creating Death.

Mind you, this is limited Beyonder, not any "all his power" googoo.

Originally posted by kevdude
Yes because he was not the real Marvel God(TOAA).

No one said he was.

Shooter was the real Marvel God (TOAA)

Shooter created the Beyonder and the entire Secret Wars series,
and according to Shooter, Beyonder was his own God, within his own reality,
and his reality was like an ocean,
while the Marvel infinite Multiverse was like a drop of water in comparison.

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Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by kevdude
TOAA is not the person creating the story,
it is how they saw TOAA/God

False.

God from FF#511 is canon, referenced in detail across two official Marvel FF bios.

And according to Marvel.com, TOAA was the cat in FF#511,
and it was an artists that toils with his drawings, he also has a collaborator. (writer)

Originally posted by kevdude
even in Spiderman we saw TOAA and he looked completely different

And? God can take any form he wishes, it only takes a pencil and ink.

btw. I see where you're going, did you read Spiderman #40?

Because that was the Writer that popped up on panel as a "bum."

Originally posted by kevdude
How foolish would it be since DC has the Jewish/Christian God as there top being and everyone running around saying its above everything else because he's based off the real world, we could do that if you want..

Unfortunately it's not based off of the real world.

It's an adaptation twisted every way around.
Therefore it has absolutely nothing to with the real Jewish/Christian God based on the Bible.

Lucifer and Michael are his sons? And favorites at that?
God is "shaped by external forces?

dontgetit

Originally posted by kevdude
The Beyonder before he went into the MU had all his power
and still couldn't understand it, that's the main reason why he wanted to 'walk the path' of the real God but he isn't and never will be!

My advice? Read Secret Wars II and it's tie-ins,
then we'll discuss the Beyonder, cause you're just playing around Kev.

kakuzu A new heart I see!!

Originally posted by fangirl101
I thought the GEB was truly infinitely powerful. You can't be millions of times more powerful than that. DC doesn't have marvel's dumb levels of infinity rule.

Sorry to say but its kind of the other way around. Marvel has its dumb moments but they do it with a selected few that are usually not around earth and far from it. Beyonder isn't even from Marvel.

In Dc they had Superman. He was suppose to be the first with powers however he was just plain stupid at one point. He can clean a wooden floor with his hair which was as hard as steel? He had rainbow powers? He had super kissing? Cmon Marvel gone that far with the power level.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by kakuzu
Sorry to say but its kind of the other way around. Marvel has its dumb moments but they do it with a selected few that are usually not around earth and far from it. Beyonder isn't even from Marvel.
In Dc they had Superman. He was suppose to be the first with powers however he was just plain stupid at one point. He can clean a wooden floor with his hair which was as hard as steel? He had rainbow powers? He had super kissing? Cmon Marvel gone that far with the power level.

Um the beyonder appeared on panel in secret wars. A marvel publication. he is from marvel. They own the rights to him. he's from marvel.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um the beyonder appeared on panel in secret wars. A marvel publication. he is from marvel. They own the rights to him. he's from marvel.

The Beyond-Realm was everything out side of the Marvel Reality.

There's everything in the entire Marvel Universe and there's the Beyond-Realm.

Yea, Beyonder is a Marvel character, but within the comic book stories,
he was from another creation, completely separate and disconnected
from anything that ever took place in the Marvel Universe, including it's creation.

When the Marvel Universe was created for the first time by the Infinity Being,
Beyonder was already there in the Beyond-Realm, because he always was, like God,
he was always the embodiment of his own infinite creation.

This is why he didn't notice the drop of water located outside his ocean.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Mr Master
False.
Beyonder never tricked Death into doing anything.
Beyonder summoned the Death with a gesture,
then made the drink right before her eyes,
he even explained how it was going to kill her, and how the reality would change:
No, how can it make sense when talking about something that never happened in comics?
"All his power" 😂 ...
Beyonder was limiting himself by the second issue, in the off-tie-in.
On top of that, if he couldn't remake her, how did she come back?
Come on Kev, cut the jokes, other may take you serious.
When all the power in the Multiverse combined (including MM & LT's)
was UNABLE to kill anything across infinity, because there was no Death:
Only Beyonder was able to kill something, thus re-creating Death.
Mind you, this is limited Beyonder, not any "all his power" googoo.
No one said he was.
Shooter was the real Marvel God (TOAA)
Shooter created the Beyonder and the entire Secret Wars series,
and according to Shooter, Beyonder was his own God, within his own reality,
and his reality was like an ocean,
while the Marvel infinite Multiverse was like a drop of water in comparison.

Well done. 👆

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

PR Beyonder wins. Million times more powerful than the entire multiverse combined while limiting himself.

Nuff said...

cloud102 Senior Member

How does he win though? The GEB wasn't defeated, either.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by cloud102
How does he win though? The GEB wasn't defeated, either.

Who did the geb defeat that close to Lt's level.

occultdestroyer The Original One

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who did the geb defeat that close to Lt's level.

The Spectre, and a pantheon of Angels of the highest order summoned by the Phantom Stranger.

This just goes to show you haven't read 'American Gothic' arc, and probably ANY DC comic series for that matter.

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