The Great Evil Beast Vs PR Beyonder

Originally posted by Mr Master
God=God
Beyonder=God

(two separate/different entities, with the same majestic status in their own worlds)

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Originally posted by Mr Master
You keep confusing yourself when Shooter says, "like God before Genesis." [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master

Once more, God is God, Beyonder is Beyonder.

Originally posted by Mr Master

God [b]before Genesis always was, Beyonder always was, that's their only relation.

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DC's supreme being has been challenged/defied/nearly thwarted enough to make me believe that omnipotence isn't one of its attributes.

Beyonder 1 shots.

Beyonder less than God?? LOL ! This guy was able to overpower the whole MU(a realm foreign to him) in SW2 effortless while he limited himself-a feat unique in comicdom.
Beyonder was also God in his (beyond)realm.Absolut unbeatable there.
Not even T.O.A.A. or the Presence can do it there.I´m not saying he can beat the the Presece in the DCUrealm or something , but he should be able to stalemate it on neutral ground(same for TOAA).
And for those who claim: "TOAA retconned(sp?) him and is therefor more powerful" The beyonder was dead at this time.TOAA retconned only his mindless power/universe,NOT the Beyonder at his most powerful.
Beyonder=T.O.A.A.=Presence>HOTU=GEB=other aspects of god(Ultimate Light,...)>>all other in DC and Marvel i.m.o. 🙂

please excuse my bad English

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Originally posted by granzon
Beyonder less than God?? LOL ! This guy was able to overpower the whole MU(a realm foreign to him) in SW2 effortless while he limited himself-a feat unique in comicdom.
Beyonder was also God in his (beyond)realm.Absolut unbeatable there.
Not even T.O.A.A. or the Presence can do it there.I´m not saying he can beat the the Presece in the DCUrealm or something , but he should be able to stalemate it on neutral ground(same for TOAA).
And for those who claim: "TOAA retconned(sp?) him and is therefor more powerful" The beyonder was dead at this time.TOAA retconned only his mindless power/universe,NOT the Beyonder at his most powerful.
Beyonder=T.O.A.A.=Presence>HOTU=GEB=other aspects of god(Ultimate Light,...)>>all other in DC and Marvel i.m.o. 🙂

please excuse my bad English

Beyonder was created by a writer, who in turn is created by God.

So
God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder

Originally posted by fangirl101
Those were the mightiest of angels in thier true over mind forms. You've seen the mightiest of angels trounced as easily in that form? No you haven't.

Originally posted by fangirl101
PR beyonder beat how many omniversal beings on panel? How many Multiversal beings did he defeat?

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
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Beyonder was created by a writer, who in turn is created by God.

So
God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder

I never said he was more powerful than the real-world God or real-world humans 🙁
I agree God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder,TOAA,Presence or any other comicbook characters

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
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Beyonder was created by a writer, who in turn is created by God.

So
God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Beyonder=God?

durlaugh

See, that's easy. 😬

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Shooter said Beyonder was "like God".
Again, LIKE GOD.
No matter how hard you try, it goes down in the history books.
"Beyonder was LIKE GOD..."
You nor I can change that.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Beyonder was created by a writer, who in turn is created by God.

So
God >>> Human writers >>> Beyonder

You enjoy throwing smilies without merit,
in a vain effort at making your ignorance superior to the facts,
but seriously,
if you thought I was referring to the God real people worship when I said Beyonder=God,
then you should definitely see in the mirror, the smilie you replied to my post with:

ka-dur

Everyone that knows about Marvel Comics/Jim Shooter's creation, the Beyonder,
knows he was the embodiment/GOD!!!! ... of his own trans-infinite Reality, (Beyond-Realm)

Everyone that knows anything about Mr Master knows he was referring to Comic Books:

Jim Shooter writes:

"God in Man, Man in God"

"The one from Beyond contemplates all existence, he intends to destroy it. No. Erase it"

"Its Substance, its Space, its Denizens,
its Overlords, its Conceptual Beings,
even Death itself will be erased."

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Now don't come in here with these real World God references/comparisons.

In COMIC BOOOOOKS!!!

God simply = an All Powerful Factor ... we call this all powerful factor, GOD!

Originally posted by Mr Master

Now don't come in here with these real World God references/comparisons.

In COMIC BOOOOOKS!!!

God simply = an All Powerful Factor ... we call this all powerful factor, GOD!

Elaine IS Yahweh (aka GOD).
By the end of the Lucifer series, she merged with Vertigo's omniverse.
Thus becoming everything and anything that there was/is in Vertigo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
False.

God from FF#511 is canon, referenced in detail across two official Marvel FF bios.

And according to Marvel.com, TOAA was the cat in FF#511,
and it was an artists that toils with his drawings, he also has a collaborator. (writer)

And? God can take any form he wishes, it only takes a pencil and ink.

btw. I see where you're going, did you read Spiderman #40?

Because that was the Writer that popped up on panel as a "bum."

Unfortunately it's not based off of the real world.

It's an adaptation twisted every way around.
Therefore it has absolutely nothing to with the real Jewish/Christian God based on the Bible.

Lucifer and Michael are his sons? And favorites at that?
God is "shaped by external forces?

dontgetit

My advice? Read Secret Wars II and it's tie-ins,
then we'll discuss the Beyonder, cause you're just playing around Kev.

😐 I have read everything online about Secret Wars II or have tried and now I'll try getting it at my comic store just for this. Also that 'bum' was TOAA/God and how he wanted to be seen as the other appearances by him, what you are doing is pretty misleading 👇 . Btw Lucifer talks about the real world and how some depict him and doesn't care for it. The First of the Fallen is very clear who DC's God is and its the Christ.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

The reason why I made such comparisons
is because Elaine of Vertigo DC is the COMIC BOOK DEPICTION of the REAL Yahweh, the Supreme creator in Judeo-Christian belief.

durlaugh

Let me know where in Juedo-Christian history does it state that Lucifer is Yahweh's son,
on top of that nonsense, Lucifer is Yahweh's admiration and preference. LOL!
Let me also know where it states in the Bible that Yahweh is limited
since he's "shaped by external forces" LOL!

Yahweh, the Supreme creator in Judeo-Christian belief has ONE son, his name is Jesus.

Not Two, where one of them is the Devil himself. 😐

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Beyonder was NEVER depicted or even linked to a Supreme being.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Elaine IS Yahweh (aka GOD).

By the end of the Lucifer series, she merged with Vertigo's omniverse.
Thus becoming everything and anything that there was/is in Vertigo.

Infinity Being (aka GOD) created with his GOD power the infinite Marvelverse.

Beyonder (everything outside GOD's creation) made the Beyond-Realm.

It's simple.

When we compare Infinity Being's (aka GOD) creation to Beyonder's,
it's like comparing a drop of water with an ocean.

Infinite Marvelverse = drop of water

Beyond-Realm = an ocean.

hmm ... imo, I prefer the be the Beyonder, than the Infinity Being (aka GOD)

This one is close but GEB wins, He seemed unstopable and beyonder showed emotion, GEB was pure darkness,void,emptyiness..etc. He would seem to trump in this fight.

Originally posted by kevdude

I have read everything online about Secret Wars II or have tried
and now I'll try getting it at my comic store just for this.

Originally posted by kevdude

Also that 'bum' was TOAA/God and how he wanted to be seen

as the other appearances by him:

TOAA's Spiderman appearance was a representation of that books Writer,
just like FF#511. (which is canon, let me know if you need proof for that too)

In fact, at one point, Peter even asks the "bum" to re-write his life,
to make someone else the person that was bitten by a spider so many years ago.

TOAA (writer in this case) looks at Peter like ... are you kidding? ... no.

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When TOAA shows Peter the lives he's saved, he says there's thousands,
this is blatant,
TOAA says, "well .. I'm counting Team-Ups"

(you know? "Marvel Team-Ups" the run?)

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TOAA relates to Peter's humanity,
since obviously this a representation of this comic's writer:

"We all have a purpose Peter, we all have a role to play"

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In the end,
it's quite obvious this is the Writer that manifested himself on panel.

TOAA tells us he's gonna write for Peter a happy ending in this story.

Originally posted by kevdude

what you are doing is pretty misleading

While you're giving an opinion about a story you haven't even read. 😐

Proven right above.

Originally posted by kevdude

Btw Lucifer talks about the real world
and how some depict him and doesn't care for it.
The First of the Fallen is very clear who DC's God is and its the Christ.

The comic book cats Yahweh, Lucifer
and every other little drawing in Vertigo/DC whatever,
are nothing more than a culmination of man made ink, and human imagination.

Just like every single other cat in Vertigo/DC and that goes for Marvel too.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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When TOAA shows Peter the lives he's saved, he says there's thousands,
this is blatant,
TOAA says, "well .. I'm counting Team-Ups"

(you know? "Marvel Team-Ups" the run?)

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Truth be told Pre-retcon beyonder was retconned, the retcon is the true beyonder whether we want to believe it or not.
everythig pre-retcon did was all a lie, much like an illusion, post-retcon beyonder is the true beyonder. Just like how the Amalgam brother were retconned so was beyonder, in every case the retcon becomes the reality.

I've been searching the net for a while.I don't know if this will add something to the discussion here.But here's what I found.Its up to all of you on how you interpret it.

Carnivore usurping the Presence's male aspect.

PS I just happen to stumble upon this 😎

Can you show the rest of the scan, and what series is that story from?