Originally posted by Gideon
Skywalker can sever the Force connections to individuals?
He does so to Dark Empire Sidious, with the help of Leia.
If you take into account that DE Sidious is much stronger than ROTS Sidious, and that NJO Luke is much stronger than DE Luke (thus presumably not needing Leia's assistance), it's reasonable to think he could. Especially since he's been shown on panel to do it already.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He does so to Dark Empire Sidious, with the help of Leia.If you take into account that DE Sidious is much stronger than ROTS Sidious, and that NJO Luke is much stronger than DE Luke (thus presumably not needing Leia's assistance), it's reasonable to think he could. Especially since he's been shown on panel to do it already.
I'm afraid that isn't nearly good enough to conclude that he's capable of doing so without aid, even at this stage. Combining the incredible, innate power of three Skywalkers isn't the same as declaring that one of them could do so. Especially when, as I recall, they merely cut Palpatine off from his Force Storm -- not from the Force itself.
Originally posted by Gideon
I'm afraid that isn't nearly good enough to conclude that he's capable of doing so without aid, even at this stage. Combining the incredible, innate power of three Skywalkers isn't the same as declaring that one of them could do so. Especially when, as I recall, they merely cut Palpatine off from his Force Storm -- not from the Force itself.
You picky bastard, lol.
"Brother and sister Jedi press the Force around the dark nexus that is Emperor Palpatine...The invisible life energy surging over him, separating him from his power. Enveloped in light, cut off from his great rage..."
To me, that is a Force Sever. Compare the description to what Nomi does to Ulic, and it essentially matches.
DE Sidious is, what would you say...twice as powerful as ROTS Sidious? And NJO Luke being...twice as powerful and skilled with the Force as DE Luke?
To me, that's enough evidence. Especially since we see it on panel. At this point in NJO, he's made up his own attack (Emerald Judgment)...that's how much his mastery of the Force has improved.
You really think he couldn't? Or are you being cautious?
Originally posted by Enyalus
You picky bastard, lol."Brother and sister Jedi [b]press the Force
around the dark nexus that is Emperor Palpatine...The invisible life energy surging over him, separating him from his power. Enveloped in light, cut off from his great rage..."To me, that is a Force Sever. Compare the description to what Nomi does to Ulic, and it essentially matches.[/B]
I would like to see those descriptions, please, because it clarifies that he was "cut off from his great rage" -- the Force Storm. He could no longer control it.
DE Sidious is, what would you say...twice as powerful as ROTS Sidious? And NJO Luke being...twice as powerful and skilled with the Force as DE Luke?
We don't have nearly enough information to quantify the power gaps in terms of numbers.
To me, that's enough evidence. Especially since we see it on panel. At this point in NJO, he's made up his own attack (Emerald Judgment)...that's how much his mastery of the Force has improved.
It's not enough. In Jedi Knight, one of Palpatine's dark side adepts, Jerec, demonstrated the ability to separate Jedi from the Force entirely without aid. Since Jerec's dark side knowledge came from the Emperor, can we conclude that Palpatine is capable of doing so simply because his subordinate can do it? As far as Skywalker's mastery is concerned, again, he had aid from two individuals with ridiculous innate power. That he can "invent new attacks" is irrelevant; Palpatine has been stated to invent many new powers at his leisure.
You really think he couldn't? Or are you being cautious?
Both.
Originally posted by Gideon
I would like to see those descriptions, please, because it clarifies that he was "cut off from his great rage" -- the Force Storm. He could no longer control it.
It also states that he was "separating him from his power." Which can be taken as all of his power, not just his Force Storm. The question should be, "What could make him lose control over the Force Storm?" And the simplest answer (although I hate Occam's Razer) is that he was separated from all of his power, thus his control over his creation (the Force Storm) was nonexistent.
But, since you said please, I'll provide you with the quote regarding Nomi and Ulic. 😉
"I imprison you in a wall of light. A fortress to block you from the Force. Blind you to your Jedi powers!"
She goes on to add: "Something Master Odan-Urr taught me. A Force blocking technique to neutralize an enemy without violence...but I never thought it would be so strong...so complete."
Compare it directly to the DE description:
"Brother and sister Jedi press the Force around the dark nexus that is Emperor Palpatine...The invisible life energy surging over him, separating him from his power. Enveloped in light, cut off from his great rage.."
Pretty similar, no? Nomi does it solo. Luke does it to DE Palpatine, who is much much stronger than Ulic. Yes, with help from Leia and a fetus. But by NJO he is much stronger, has much more control, and would be facing a far weaker Palpatine. To me, it isn't unreasonable.
Originally posted by Gideon
It's not enough. In Jedi Knight, one of Palpatine's dark side adepts, Jerec, demonstrated the ability to separate Jedi from the Force entirely without aid. Since Jerec's dark side knowledge came from the Emperor, can we conclude that Palpatine is capable of doing so simply because his subordinate can do it? As far as Skywalker's mastery is concerned, again, he had aid from two individuals with ridiculous innate power. That he can "invent new attacks" is irrelevant; Palpatine has been stated to invent many new powers at his leisure.
Well, Jerec's ability was stated multiple times to be unique. Also, again, Palpatine doesn't display such an ability, while Luke clearly does. I do believe his ability to invent new attacks is relevant - because like Palpatine's ability to invent new techniques - it takes great knowledge of the Force and mastery of current techniques in order to do so. Showing that it would be plausible, given the fact that he's already done so once, to do it again.
Originally posted by Faunus
Then your whole rant was pointless, you douche.
Well, I thought I had a point. And Jacen Solo demonstrates a knowledge of the Force that is easily on par with Skywalker's own and is proven to have been superior in some areas. Enyalus can't prove that Skywalker can still perform the technique without aid... SO I SAY STALEMATE!
Originally posted by Enyalus
Ah. Didn't know that. Midway through NJO Jacen's self doubt and introspection becomes too annoying/emo, and Caedus is even more whiny.Needless to say, I didn't pay close attention to LOTF.
The way Caedus did it Ben I found impressive because Ben didn't even realize till Caedus pretty much told him about it then he casually touched Ben on the shoulder to reconnect him to the force.
Though I did find Jacen's personality in the first legacy book to be good and the only time Caedus's personality was truly different then most other lunatic sith (who would have done the same thing he did to Kashyyyk) was during in Invincble.
Originally posted by Gideon
Well, I thought I had a point. And Jacen Solo demonstrates a knowledge of the Force that is easily on par with Skywalker's own and is proven to have been superior in some areas. Enyalus can't prove that Skywalker can still perform the technique without aid... SO I SAY STALEMATE!
Oh. That was weak. And reeks of bitterness.