Originally posted by GenomeFrozenerInstead of in a typical GenomeFrozener fashion where you just talk out your ass and pretend to be one of the more intelligent members on this forum, how's about you back up this claim and bring up an example? 🙂
[b]Contradiction: I recall you using that as you put it "bullshit punk ass A>B>C logic" so, I guess you fail as well. 😕 [/B]
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma1. Ryu had the Satsui no Hadou, sure, but he does not use it. Gouki wanted Ryu to learn to tap into it at will the same way Gouki does, but Gouki was disappointed when Ryu didn't. I don't give two shits what Tiamat says on the matter, we clearly see in the ending chunks of the island falling from the sky, and it said the island "disappeared." If he did not destroy it, what did he do? I could pull a bullshit fail Tekken supporter/SF hater move and say Gouki "took it out of existence", but no, he destroyed it, I originally thought he sunk it but he had to of destroyed it since pieces of the island were flying everywhere.
1. Gouki said that Ryu possesed the same power as him. first he was impressed by Ryu's power, but next he was disappointed bacause Ryu refuse to use it. I still doubt about Gouki sink an island. even tiamat says it was a conjecture and there's no animation about the island is sinking.2. fire energy blast : energy blast with a power like a well landed kick? alright, get your point. dodge a bullet? you mean from an anime where a well landed kick can vaporize a cyborg eh? tanking punch from Gouki? I admit Gouki is strong but who the hell is Gouki? a superior puncher than Goku? you mean when he create an explosion which isn't compared to island buster? looks like this is why P-geyser looks pissed off with Gouki. now for the last part : lifting a 25 tons boulder... is this the actual weight? if not then STFU. ah yeah I forget about something : Grant. all I know about Grant is his heart supplies him with more blood than regular because of a bullet in his heart, making him a metahuman in terms of power. but I believe he is still weaker than Gouki since he has no feats.
4. same with you, I'm using my logic. but if you say so, then next time don't ever said misogi is instant just because it's really fast.
5. ryu is more durable? how? just because he taking punch from Gouki? this is why I lost my respect to Gouki and now Ryu. you may think Gouki can punch harder than Goku, sink an island. but you forget he didn't make a big damage when he used a FAR more powerful move : tenma gou zankuu. and his shakunetsu hadouken just created an explosion which isn't compared to island buster.
2. A NORMAL Hadouken has the power of a well landed kick, not his more powerful variations you noob. And a well landed kick from Ryu...Well it probably really hurts. Like I said, not all Hadoukens are akin to "well landed kicks", but logic is not SF hater's strong points so whatever. And, it was stated in the canon guide was it not? And the SF anime was officially licensed by Capcom. Gouki is indeed a superior striker than Goku, Goku in his base form can only lift 10 tons. 😂 Gouki's punches destroy islands. Goku's while SSJ2 could barely raise a cliff. No, it is called an "ESTIMATION", since the official weight was not stated, I am gonna make an estimate, kinda like Sado does when he assumes Devil Jin destroyed miles of forest, only my estimation is not baseless. I am going by the real size and weight of real boulders. So we assume Grant is t3h super uber strong...When he is a featless wonder? Oh but all we have to go by is,"H3 15 t3H M37@hUM@n!!!!!" Like, OMG, he must be super uber strong huh? 🙄 He is weaker than friggin Ryu since he has no feats, hell, he is weaker than Zangief since he has no feats.
3. So your logic is we assume Terry is faster based on absolutely nothing? And instant is a relative term, Misogi is relatively instant compared to most things, prolly everything in SF.
4. That is exactly why. So that throws all his other feats out of the window lol? Wow, fail logic equals fail, you and Quanchi in comic vs. should hang out. And...Those attacks are all different than a punch, his Hadoukens were meant to burn, not explode, and I cannot remember what the other move you named is.
I really REALLY don't want to do this again.... But I can't stand by while someone makes a discrepency like this......
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
5. ryu is more durable? how? just because he taking punch from Gouki? this is why I lost my respect to Gouki and now Ryu. you may think Gouki can punch harder than Goku, sink an island. but you forget he didn't make a big damage when he used a FAR more powerful move : tenma gou zankuu. and his shakunetsu hadouken just created an explosion which isn't compared to island buster.
The Tenma Gou Zankuu is gouki's aerial Super Fireball for starters...
Your thinking of the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan = The move he used to slice Uuluru in 2.
Now, I've done this 5 times already, but, for starters, how do you compare the damage from a slicing attack, to blunt dorce impact he used to destroy the island? They are two completely different types of impact. Granted they look the same, but their damage patterns are completely different...
One caused a huge multi megatone level damage to a chunk of landmass, thereby crumbling it, the other sliced apart the worlds single largest stone with a single strike. Do you have any idea how much force is required to do those feats? especially with just your hand? Those techniques are unearthly. I could feasibly say that Gouki outstrips Base Goku in terms of strength based on those feats alone, Gouki may nut have the Uber Death Rays that vape planets, but I don't think that was Jaxx's argument in the first place...
On top of that, Sado is wrong, Gouki i never always Shin, Even while Training. We have visual proof of this, the difference bitween Shin and regular is this, while Normal, Akuma cuts himself off almost entirely from the Satsui No Hadou, thus making him more Normal Human. He does this while training also to strengthen his base powers without the Dark Hadou's Assistance. Thus, when he does utilise the Dark Hadou, he is that much stronger because his baseline powers have increased.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I really REALLY don't want to do this again.... But I can't stand by while someone makes a discrepency like this......The Tenma Gou Zankuu is gouki's aerial Super Fireball for starters...
Your thinking of the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan = The move he used to slice Uuluru in 2.
Now, I've done this 5 times already, but, for starters, how do you compare the damage from a slicing attack, to blunt dorce impact he used to destroy the island? They are two completely different types of impact. Granted they look the same, but their damage patterns are completely different...
One caused a huge multi megatone level damage to a chunk of landmass, thereby crumbling it, the other sliced apart the worlds single largest stone with a single strike. Do you have any idea how much force is required to do those feats? especially with just your hand? Those techniques are unearthly. I could feasibly say that Gouki outstrips Base Goku in terms of strength based on those feats alone, Gouki may nut have the Uber Death Rays that vape planets, but I don't think that was Jaxx's argument in the first place...
On top of that, Sado is wrong, Gouki i never always Shin, Even while Training. We have visual proof of this, the difference bitween Shin and regular is this, while Normal, Akuma cuts himself off almost entirely from the Satsui No Hadou, thus making him more Normal Human. He does this while training also to strengthen his base powers without the Dark Hadou's Assistance. Thus, when he does utilise the Dark Hadou, he is that much stronger because his baseline powers have increased.
I never brought kongou kokuretsuzan in this discussion. it's not how he slice ayers rock in half. but what I want to say is : if he can sink an island with his punch then I believe he can do worse with tenma gou zankuu. even if this is a different type of attack, at least he can create a bigger damage when he perform tenma gou zankuu. you made it seems that Gouki's normal punch is stronger than his super special move : tenma gou zankuu.
and, I know about Gouki and Shin Gouki. canonically, Gouki never become Shin. you can't expect I always agree with Sado, can you? we have different opinions as well.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero...Yeah, I can live with that lol.
No no, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a Super art, or even a special, but surely you don't consider that punch to be equivelant to a jab do you?maybe more along the lines of his HP attacks or better, like this?
So it was a kung fu dragon punch of doom?
And the MArvel vs. animation was like...Whoa. 😐
2. ZOMG! NOT T3H BLUR SPEED OF T3H DOOM!!!! Lol, Ryu can dodge bullets effortlessly, can Terry?
3. The fact that he can take a punch from Gouki and not be knocked out proves his durability is greater.
oh and flashforward SF4, we see the video begin with a KO'd ryu.
so what you gonna say now? 😉
another thing: you remember the time when we all were talking about makuto fighting impressively with ryu? you remember how many interpretations we came up with?
exactly.
Gouki is among one of the hardest hitters in gaming
4. Ryu has fought more people in his years than Terry.
And Terry has been streetfighting for 25 years...So? Ryu has held his own and fought the superior Gouki to a standstill
his skill greatly usurps Terry's.
Insults? How quaint.
On top of that, Sado is wrong, Gouki i never always Shin
I don't deny Gouki used some sort of technique to destroy Gokentou, to say otherwise would be foolish...
*feels inclined to bring up how small the island must be considering that he cracked ayres rock with it almost 10 years later but won't*
~Sado
Now, I've done this 5 times already, but, for starters, how do you compare the damage from a slicing attack, to blunt dorce impact he used to destroy the island? They are two completely different types of impact. Granted they look the same, but their damage patterns are completely different.
~Sado
Yea but Terry just beat up nobdies and punks and 3 featless bosses. Ryu has fought guys who would kill Terry wit 1 hand behind thier backs.
and on top of that, at least terry beats the nameless hobbos. ken got owned so badly by one he had to invent shoryureppa to win 😆
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22The move looks like the KKS only in movement. KKS involves having a prominent aura, involves raising the hand above his head and then slamming it down, and has lightning strike down.
and yet wet assume that he didnt do the same move on the island even though the island got destroyed? even though we don't even know what exactly happened to the island?~Sado
When he punched the island NOTHING like that happened.
So shut up and GTFO.
And...We see pieces of the island falling from the sky, if he just split it, that would not have happened.
Originally posted by Sado221. It was stated in the canon guide.
versus a non-canonical feat of ryu. also it doesn't say he can do it effortlessly. stop spewing noncanonical garbage from SFA anime at me, foo.
oh and while terry can literally blur out of vision (shining knuckle) it means he can't dodge bullets?proof? what is even known of gouki/ryu fight in SFa2? how much was he holding back? a lot? less? not that much?
it is the most fanwanked, unconfirmed, baseless crap to tell me that he took a punch from gouki since not only do we not know how long the fight was but we also don't know how much akuma was holding back.
next time you bring this sh1t up, be prepared to answer these questions or don't bring it up at all. also the FAQ says akuma noticed his potential and asked him to give in to the dark hadou and THEN seek him out. it doesn't even say they fought. for all we know he saw ryu, thought it'd be cool if he unleashed the dark hadou and told him to do so, punched the island and left. see how unconfirmed and vague the whole situation is.oh and flashforward SF4, we see the video begin with a KO'd ryu.
so what you gonna say now? 😉another thing: you remember the time when we all were talking about makuto fighting impressively with ryu? you remember how many interpretations we came up with?
exactly.but he held back against pussyhogan. fail.
proof? 10,000 opponents in 10 years. terry's spent 25 years on the streets and fought all day during the early 10 years. if i were a betting man i'd say he probably fought more people in his first 10 years anyway since the city he lived in was a violent city full of martial artists and the only way to survive WAS by fighting. on top of that, terry roams the world too.
fail. horribly so.he [b]NEVER
fought gouki to a standstil. enough of the garbage spewing, bub.Terry's more experienced, faster, he's weaker though we don't know by how much (and that's only in SF3 btw, sf2 he's probably as strong), fought better opponents and actually won tournaments without being cheap. oh and he doesn't do the hogan routine either nor does he pick on little school girls 😆
when did you grow a conscience, foo?
i said they are the same person, actually. its not a moodswing that he goes through.
it was kongoukokuretsuzan, based on the action and the effects of it. on top of that, from what i know, the move's been in the sf world since the alpha series but i can't seem to find vids of it for some reason. even if it wasn't in the game, it existed canonically.
*feels inclined to bring up how small the island must be considering that he cracked ayres rock with it almost 10 years later but won't*
~Sado [/B]
Until he dodges a bullet, that is EXACTLY what it means.
2. He wasn't Shin, that is all we know. To assume more would be speculation and gayness.
We know they fought, and hell, in the SF4 anime we see Ryu taking hits from Gouki. Other than the fact that in the game you fight Gouki and THEN you see the animation, we assume they did not fight based on what?
I said Ryu can take a punch from Gouki. Not that he can't be knocked out by Gouki, way to take things out of context. And...Do we even know how Ryu was KOed?
You interpreted it as she was beating his ass in order to discredit Ryu as usual. All it said was that she impressed Ryu with her skill. Not that he had trouble handling her or anything.
3. He was not Shin, kinda like he was not Shin when he destroyed the island.
4. Only we have a number on who Ryu has fought, assuming Terry has fought more is speculation. And...Ryu fights people who matter, he has beaten Ken like 2-3 times, fought Gouki to a standstill, and has received training from the God Tier Oro. Terry is just an overglorified street-brawler.
5. Canon and what we saw disagrees with you, neither were injured, and Gouki admits Ryu's skill.
6. More experienced because he can beat up street thugs and crackheads? Whoa. Some random cop in LA must be the best fighter in the world. Faster based on t3h blur? Not by feats is for sure. Only SF3, which is the most current game in the series in terms of chronology. So anything before is irrelevant. Fought better opponents? Gouki would disagree with you...And Terry's opponents mostly have no feats. 😐 Doesn't do the Hogan Routine? Wtf are you smoking? 😬 And beating up schoolgirls? The one that challenged him? Stfu.
7. Suck my butt.
8. Well it kinda is, he is using the Satsui no Hadou to a far larger extent when he goes "Shin", so his personality probably does change. But he is not constantly in it.
9. It existed canonically based on nothing. It was not in the games, and the moves are very different as I already explained.
10. He never used that move to destroy the island.
Originally posted by Sado22Little girls? Or, are they all superhumans, each created with some of Bison's Psycho Power? And...He was fighting 13 of them, then fought Chunny, Charlie, Ryu, and Ken, he beat Rose, and did all this in the span of one day til he eventually lost with t3h Drives blowing up. Ever consider he retreated from the Dolls because people were in his base, and killing his Drives? And the dude in a few endings has taken a nuke...And he vaped a village without making a motion.
bison and sagat have about as much feats as Geese and krauser. the good part is, while krauser and geese go around acting like bosses and smack around lowtiers and midtiers with ease............bison runs away form little girls while Sagat tries to get ONE feat.
oh and ryu fought guys who'd kill terry with help from others or plain cheated. fail.and on top of that, at least terry beats the nameless hobbos. ken got owned so badly by one he had to invent shoryureppa to win 😆
~Sado
And Sagat beat Ryu, a top tier.