Terry Bogard vs Kratos

Ryu in SF3 being as skilled as Evil Ryu in SFA1? That's stupid. Evil Ryu was just as "skilled" as Ryu in SFA1, only more powerful.

Darkhadou is an overall increase in fighting powers. SF3 ryu has as much fighting powers as SF1 evil ryu....not raw strength. same way it states that evil ryu is as "strong" as Akuma i.e. he is as skilled/fighting potential is the same. saying anything otherwise is downright dumb and can be contradicted from about a ton of in-game evidence. for starters:
-if SF3 hogan is as strong as SF1 evil ryu than he can also sink islands. but we know he can't because he had trouble lifting a boulder.
-if SF3 ryu is as strong as SF1 evil ryu then he should've put down hugo hard because not only was it something even harder than metsushoryuken but it was the shitshoryuken he did. but he didn't even scar hugo.........and notice that hugo's SF3 endings ARE canon. no scars.

you all have an open invitation to prove me wrong.

Read what I put again. Strong & skilled are not the same thing here either

Ditto. Dark Hadou represents a power increase, not a skill increase.

People can't accept Hugo having a chin. He took a hit. OK. Anybody w/a brain knows that feat is to show how tough Hugo is, not how weak Ryu is. You guys can keep acting dumb if ya want to. People will think you're not really acting after a while though. Is FF Streetwise even canon?

There was an Evil Ryu in the first street Fighter, Since when ?

Because the attacks are totally different, one is a burning napalm-ish attack, and the other is a shattering blunt force attack?

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22

you're kidding right? do some homework man 😐

I've got the first Street Fighter and i have'nt seen any Evil Ryu in it, The only games i've seen him in are the Alpha games

I beleive I already explained the difference bitween the Temma Gou Zankuu and the Island Killer...

One is an energy wave launched from a distance, while the other is a solid punch inducing a force of 100 megatonnes PSI oner an area the size of a rockmelon...

their actual impact area and strength deviation are entirely different...

it's incomparable... Trying to use that argument to downplay either feat cannot work, they do what they do because they are two completely separate attacks that do completely different things...

I don't want to debate with you. but I'll explain a little.

tenma gou zanku and Gouki's fist maybe different. but I believe tenma gou zankuu's impact is much bigger. even if it's a different type of attack, it should have causing much more damage than just Gouki's fist. if Gouki's fist could sank an island, then his tenma gou zankuu should have enough power to shatter an island. but it didn't.

The island killer is a more concentrated attack over a much smaller area.

As I've said to Sado on numerous occasions, the impact from that punch would go much deeper into the ground than a surface explosion caused by the Temma Gou Zankuu.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I've got the first Street Fighter and i have'nt seen any Evil Ryu in it, The only games i've seen him in are the Alpha games

this should help :

from plot guide

Ryu finally defeated Sagat with a cheap deus ex machina shot (no wonder
why Sagat's so pissed off at him for the longest time). Ryu was down on
the ground after having been pummelled by Sagat, then Sagat reached out to
take his hand, knowing that he had won, but Ryu was so obsessed with
winning that satsui no hadou overtook him and he ripped through
Sagat's chest with his metsu shoryuken, becoming SnH Ryu for a split
moment there.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The island killer is a more concentrated attack over a much smaller area.

As I've said to Sado on numerous occasions, the imact from that punch would go much deeper into the ground than a surface explosion caused by the Temma Gou Zankuu.

but how? even Gou Hadouken is as strong than his punch with more effects. but his tenma gou zankuu as shown in SF4 trailer has more gou hadouken unleashed. that's why I always deny he sank an island with his normal punch. and it looks like Gouki sank that island not by a mere punch. but with a special. his fist and eyes glowing yellow which is obviously not a normal punch. he must've focused his power into his fist and forcefully slam his fist into the island.

the SF boys have two options:
1. admit that it wasn't "just a punch" and that it was the KKRZ so that we can all move on with our lives
2. insist that its different and pay the price of contradictory evidence from the SF4 intro becase after all the hadouken IS just spiritual energy manifested as a blow.

it's incomparable... Trying to use that argument to downplay either feat cannot work, they do what they do because they are two completely separate attacks that do completely different things...

~Sado
P.S. *best ace ventura imitation*
GOD I'M GOOD! CAN YOU FEEL IT!? HUH?! CAN YOU FEEL IT!!? HUH??!!

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
but how? even Gou Hadouken is as strong than his punch with more effects. but his tenma gou zankuu as shown in SF4 trailer has more gou hadouken unleashed. that's why I always deny he sank an island with his normal punch. and it looks like Gouki sank that island not by a mere punch. but with a special. his fist and eyes glowing yellow which is obviously not a normal punch. he must've focused his power into his fist and forcefully slam his fist into the island.

.... I never said it was a normal punch, but it was no Special move either, and certainly not the KKRZ as Sado claims since that technique wasn't even invented until a decade later... On top of that, despite what Tiamat says, much of his guide is based on speculation, and the rest is 2nd hand knowlege he ripped from Saiki.

Originally posted by Sado22
the SF boys have two options:
1. admit that it wasn't "just a punch" and that it was the KKRZ so that we can all move on with our lives
2. insist that its different and pay the price of contradictory evidence from the SF4 intro becase after all the hadouken IS just spiritual energy manifested as a blow.

#1: I again call your attention to the fact that the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan was not even invented till 10 years later, and the fact that it did 2 completely different damage effects.

#2: I already disputed this, since it's an entirely different attack that does completely different kinds of damage... Without using the self made information from Tiamat, can you prove that the Hadouken is merely en extended punch? No? even the guide itself states it merely "Feels" like a well placed straight kick when it lands. What the opponent feels is completely irrelevant to what the attack actually does.

Originally posted by Sado22
the hadouken IS comparable because it has been compared to other direct blows and even given a range of impact: it feels like a punch/kick. hence, the hadoukens he threw (and missed horribly) at ryu were simply a barrage of punches that didn't sink the island or whatever they were on. thus we go back to what i said earlier: that he didn't sink the island with "a punch" but with "KKGZ". SF4 vid proves it.

~Sado
P.S. *best ace ventura imitation*
GOD I'M GOOD! CAN YOU FEEL IT!? HUH?! CAN YOU FEEL IT!!? HUH??!!

Reffer above, you still have no case.

.... I never said it was a normal punch, but it was no Special move either, and certainly not the KKRZ as Sado claims since that technique wasn't even invented until a decade later... On top of that, despite what Tiamat says, much of his guide is based on speculation, and the rest is 2nd hand knowlege he ripped from Saiki.

I can't say it is KKRZ since I have no solid proof about that. but it's obviously not a normal punch as you said. his eyes and fist are glowing yellow and the surrounding area is glowing yellow too. if that's not a normal punch(HP or below) or a special, I have no idea what is that.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. you have seen what tenma gou zankuu can truly do in SF4 trailer. it is supposed to be more powerful than Gouki's punch. in my opinion, if Gouki can sank island with a punch, he'll do the same or maybe much more with his tenma gou zankuu's explosion.

2. is it stated it was 10 tons? or it's your estimation again?

2. It was an estimation, like what most in debates are, because unlike comics, the characters don't shout out how fast they are going, how heavy what they are lifting is, or how damaging the attack they are hit with is.

lets keep it civil this time, darko. better watch that potty mouth! 😠

#1: I again call your attention to the fact that the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan was not even invented till 10 years later, and the fact that it did 2 completely different damage effects.

and hte only thing going against me is the fact that you boys claim that the results were different, even though, what really happened to the island is a complete mystery.

#2: I already disputed this, since it's an entirely different attack that does completely different kinds of damage.

also the KKSZ isn't explicity stated to be a cutting technique [the movename is not relevant since all names are hyperboles]. the rock has very little elasticity to it and hence it breaks apart. ever seen those martial arts vids where they break huge cement blocks? take a sledge hammer and bash a rock as hard enough and you'll break it into two pieces. same with a slab of cement. you can see them on youtube. some MA contest have a guy lying down with a cement block on his stomach while the other guy hits it full force with a sledge hammer. if done right and with the right force, the cement block breaks down the center. gouki does the same thing.

hence, not a cutting technique until we get proof of it being so. notice also that he punches the ground instead of chopping it. in MA you can only cut something with a chopping or slicing motion. not a punch.

and finally, since we can see that its not a "cutting" technique as suggested, then we can also say wth 99% certainity that he did KKRZ to the damn island because now there is absolutely nothing refuting it. he probably broke apart the island just like in SF3 and it fell into pieces in the island....all of which would make sense too.

Without using the self made information from Tiamat, can you prove that the Hadouken is merely en extended punch? No? even the guide itself states it merely "Feels" like a well placed straight kick when it lands. What the opponent feels is completely irrelevant to what the attack actually does.

I can't say it is KKRZ since I have no solid proof about that. but it's obviously not a normal punch as you said. his eyes and fist are glowing yellow and the surrounding area is glowing yellow too. if that's not a normal punch(HP or below) or a special, I have no idea what is that.

~The SuperObservant Sado-sama

Wait so what Gouki did to the island was a special technique and not a punch, yet since Evil Ryu is apparently as "strong" as Gouki, he can bust islands and therefore Hugo shouldn't be able to tank a punch from Ryu?

Lol wut?

Double standards and fail logic.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Noice, ignoring everything I said. Superman's Heat Vision when in the form of a small laser can't destroy a building, let alone an island. But, it is hotter than the sun, and the heat makes it more damaging. Same thing here.

2. It was an estimation, like what most in debates are, because unlike comics, the characters don't shout out how fast they are going, how heavy what they are lifting is, or how damaging the attack they are hit with is.

1. did superman's heat vision is as strong as his punch? guess again. it was stated that Gouki's gou hadouken is as strong as his punch but with more effects. and this is tenma gou zankuu which has more gou hadouken unleashed. while Superman's heat vision is not for punching and Gouki's has the same power with his fist.

2. ok, it's up 2 you. but next time, I'll estimate something with too.

QUOTE=11188749]Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I can't say it is KKRZ since I have no solid proof about that. but it's obviously not a normal punch as you said. his eyes and fist are glowing yellow and the surrounding area is glowing yellow too. if that's not a normal punch(HP or below) or a special, I have no idea what is that. [/QUOTE]

Name the technique from official sources, give me a reason to label it a special, Anything anyone does is a technique, walking is a technique, the yellow/orange glow could be from the magma pouring out of the hole made in the ground.

Originally posted by Sado22
we don't know that. from what we know about the technique, gouki was still trying to perfect it by SF3. on top of that the action, the style and the glowing aura etc were all the same. heck, even the pose was the same as he stood punching the ground. no lighting? well, that's already explained by the fact that it wasn't a animated scene but just pics.
so far supporting ore-sama's argument are:
-the same pose
-same stance
-same action
-same glowing ki
-an unconfirmed rumor that KKRZ has been around before SF3

There was no aura around him during the technique for starters...

2 the island killer had no name for 10 years then Gouki suddenly comes up 10 years later and decides to name it? No dude, thats your assumption... Again.

How many different ways can a person punch the ground? 😕 Seriously...

An unconfirmed rumor? Dude, since when has that been any sort of point in these debates?

Originally posted by Sado22
and hte only thing going against me is the fact that you boys claim that the results were different, even though, what really happened to the island is a complete mystery.

Prove to me that the island was cut Sado, then you have an argument... This is no different than you disputing that he didn't sink the island but destroyed it... which did absolutely nothing to change the argument... If this is going to turn into another pointless exersize, then stop right now.

Originally posted by Sado22
mang, we don't know that. you can tell me all about that gigaton force PSI stuff but fact of the matter is we don't know exactly what happened to the island. on top of that is it too absurd (in a game that's beyond retarded to begin with) that he "split" the island and that's what caused it to sink? the same way the ayres rock split?

Again, prove the island was "CUT" anywhere, we see very clearly that Ayers Rock was split, the island crumbled, sank and vanished, it's 2 completely different kinds of damage and impact to begin with.

Originally posted by Sado22
also the KKSZ isn't explicity stated to be a cutting technique [the movename is not relevant since all names are hyperboles]. the rock has very little elasticity to it and hence it breaks apart. ever seen those martial arts vids where they break huge cement blocks? take a sledge hammer and bash a rock as hard enough and you'll break it into two pieces. same with a slab of cement. you can see them on youtube. some MA contest have a guy lying down with a cement block on his stomach while the other guy hits it full force with a sledge hammer. if done right and with the right force, the cement block breaks down the center. gouki does the same thing.

The move name, the end result, the looks, and what was stated by Akuma are not all hyperbole sado. Yopur wasting my time, again with a pointless goose chase.

Originally posted by Sado22
hence, not a cutting technique until we get proof of it being so. notice also that he punches the ground instead of chopping it. in MA you can only cut something with a chopping or slicing motion. not a punch.

So, despite the end result of Ayers Rock, you still want to try and explain away your shit?

more later.

Name the technique from official sources, give me a reason to label it a special, Anything anyone does is a technique, walking is a technique, the yellow/orange glow could be from the magma pouring out of the hole made in the ground.

so, the island sank because of erupted magma? or... did Gouki's eyes can produce magma?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
1. did superman's heat vision is as strong as his punch? guess again. it was stated that Gouki's gou hadouken is as strong as his punch but with more effects. and this is tenma gou zankuu which has more gou hadouken unleashed. while Superman's heat vision is not for punching and Gouki's has the same power with his fist.

2. ok, it's up 2 you. but next time, I'll estimate something with too.

2. Go ahead. Only my estimations are accurate. 🙂

And the island killer looks NOTHING like the KKSZ, only in motion. He is covered with no aura, no electricity, no cutting force, they are different.

There was no aura around him during the technique for starters.

2 the island killer had no name for 10 years then Gouki suddenly comes up 10 years later and decides to name it? No dude, thats your assumption... Again.

How many different ways can a person punch the ground? Seriously.

An unconfirmed rumor? Dude, since when has that been any sort of point in these debates?

Prove to me that the island was cut Sado, then you have an argument... This is no different than you disputing that he didn't sink the island but destroyed it... which did absolutely nothing to change the argument... If this is going to turn into another pointless exersize, then stop right now

Again, prove the island was "CUT" anywhere, we see very clearly that Ayers Rock was split, the island crumbled, sank and vanished, it's 2 completely different kinds of damage and impact to begin with.

The move name

The move name, the end result, the looks, and what was stated by Akuma are not all hyperbole sado. Yopur wasting my time, again with a pointless goose chase.

So, despite the end result of Ayers Rock, you still want to try and explain away your shit?

Wait so what Gouki did to the island was a special technique and not a punch, yet since Evil Ryu is apparently as "strong" as Gouki, he can bust islands and therefore Hugo shouldn't be able to tank a punch from Ryu? Lol wut? Double standards and fail logic.

one way or another, its checkmate bub😉

~Sado

And the island killer looks NOTHING like the KKSZ, only in motion. He is covered with no aura, no electricity, no cutting force, they are different.

And the island killer looks NOTHING like the KKSZ, only in motion. He is covered with no aura, no electricity, no cutting force, they are different.