Quasar vs Superman

Started by darthgoober4 pages
darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
Neither is baseless speculation while we're on it. Unless you believe that had Quasar started to siphon energy from Thanos he would have had a chance.

I don't personally belive it would have made a difference against Thanos, but that's just my opinion. I'm not making any claims in regards to Quasar/Thanos, but I'm also not making any claims about Supes not being able to blitz because he never tried it in specific encounters.

Originally posted by Avlon
Proof of Quasar beating a Superman/Surfer/Thanos opponent with energy drain and simultaneous battle?

He went toe to toe with Surfer, that's good enough to me. Proof of Supes beating an opponent on Quasar's level while in a drained state?

Originally posted by Avlon
Professor Hamilton claimed it by the way...and no, I'm not going to search through hundreds of my comics for one panel.

And yet it's directly contradicted by Supes himself in the scan with him and Triumph? Which do you think it's portrayed as more often?

Good, then you can stop asking the same of Surfer's fans 🙂 .

ultimatethor Senior Member

Why are supes thanos and surfer being grouped together? Two are high end energy manipulators while one is not

Avlon Godot Brew#107
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't personally belive it would have made a difference against Thanos, but that's just my opinion. I'm not making any claims in regards to Quasar/Thanos, but I'm also not making any claims about Supes not being able to blitz because he never tried it in specific encounters.

I don't personally believe it would have made a difference against Thanos either...just like it didn't with Surfer. Thus, I don't see it making a difference with Supes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He went toe to toe with Surfer, that's good enough to me. Proof of Supes beating an opponent on Quasar's level while in a drained state?

Still waiting for proof of Quasar being able to drain Bio energy, especially in battle. He was in pain from simple cosmic blasts and yet he's going to laugh off hits from Supes...right...

You can try and prove it's in character too while you're at it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And yet it's directly contradicted by Supes himself in the scan with him and Triumph? Which do you think it's portrayed as more often?

Good, then you can stop asking the same of Surfer's fans 🙂 .

Great, and thus yet nobody has been able to beat and drain Superman in the manner you are suggesting on panel. Debate over. 🙂

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
I don't personally believe it would have made a difference against Thanos either...just like it didn't with Surfer. Thus, I don't see it making a difference with Supes.

Surfer and Supes are two different characters with two radically different power sets and power sources. In order to support your claim you need to provide evidence from Supes’s corner to counter the scan of him and Triumph where the tactic was working successfully.

Originally posted by Avlon
Still waiting for proof of Quasar being able to drain Bio energy, especially in battle. He was in pain from simple cosmic blasts and yet he's going to laugh off hits from Supes...right...

You can try and prove it's in character too while you're at it.


He absorbed Ego’s bio energy and he was absorbing Surfer’s energy in battle. There’s your proof, now how about some from your side of the fence?

Originally posted by Avlon
Great, and thus yet nobody has been able to beat and drain Superman in the manner you are suggesting on panel. Debate over. 🙂

Did Triumph stop voluntarily, or did Supes deliver a beat down with his energy being drained?

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer and Supes are two different characters with two radically different power sets and power sources. In order to support your claim you need to provide evidence from Supes’s corner to counter the scan of him and Triumph where the tactic was working successfully.

He absorbed Ego’s bio energy and he was absorbing Surfer’s energy in battle. There’s your proof, now how about some from your side of the fence?

Did Triumph stop voluntarily, or did Supes deliver a beat down with his energy being drained?

In defense of Superman, Triumph was Physically Superior To Superman. So he could just hold him there while draining Him. Not many people can claim to be faster than Superman, with the powers Triumph had.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
In defense of Superman, Triumph was Physically Superior To Superman. So he could just hold him there while draining Him. Not many people can claim to be faster than Superman, with the powers Triumph had.

But Quasar's shown the ability to drain from a distance so that won't be a problem unless there's something to show that you HAVE to make physical contact to drain Supes.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
But Quasar's shown the ability to drain from a distance so that won't be a problem unless there's something to show that you HAVE to make physical contact to drain Supes.

I've never seen anyone do it without physical contact, or literally cutting off the sun's rays. And then it took time. I still think Quasar can win.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
I've never seen anyone do it without physical contact, or literally cutting off the sun's rays. And then it took time. I still think Quasar can win.

Just because Supes's foes decide to bring the fight in up close and personal it doesn't mean that it's a requirement. He's shown a vulnerability to draining and Quasar's shown the ability to drain from a distance. Now if there was some mention of the necessity that's one thing, but without it being mentioned it's nothing more than conjecture to say that you HAVE to make physical contact in order for it to be successful. Not that you yourself are actually making that claim mind you, but sooner or later I'm pretty sure that someone's gonna.

Avlon Godot Brew#107
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer and Supes are two different characters with two radically different power sets and power sources. In order to support your claim you need to provide evidence from Supes’s corner to counter the scan of him and Triumph where the tactic was working successfully.

See Ruin.Eclipso.Luthor. Etc. You have to support your claim of Quasar being able to defend against someone as powerful as Superman in confrontation while being able to absorb the type of energy that you claim.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He absorbed Ego’s bio energy and he was absorbing Surfer’s energy in battle. There’s your proof, now how about some from your side of the fence?

Quasar also needed a device to do so to ego. Details. Details.
He didn't beat Surfer...and SS was still causing him great pain.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did Triumph stop voluntarily, or did Supes deliver a beat down with his energy being drained?

You propped up the scan. Did you read the story or just "borrow" a scan?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
See Ruin.Eclipso.Luthor. Etc.

Scans or issue numbers so I can see for myself?

Originally posted by Avlon
You have to support your claim of Quasar being able to defend against someone as powerful as Superman in confrontation while being able to absorb the type of energy that you claim.

We already know he can because he did it against Surfer.

Originally posted by Avlon
Quasar also needed a device to do so to ego. Details. Details.
He didn't beat Surfer...and SS was still causing him great pain.

Surfer's not Supes. And I've only HEARD about one instance to support the claim that it's not stored as solar energy(which runs counter to Supes's own words against Triumph). And without a scan or at least an issue number to support the claim I don't buy it.

Originally posted by Avlon
You propped up the scan. Did you read the story or just "borrow" a scan?

Borrowed it. Now answer the question.

Avlon Godot Brew#107
Originally posted by darthgoober
Scans or issue numbers so I can see for myself?

All findable in his respect thread.

Originally posted by darthgoober
We already know he can because he did it against Surfer.

And did not win...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer's not Supes. And I've only HEARD about one instance to support the claim that it's not stored as solar energy(which runs counter to Supes's own words against Triumph). And without a scan or at least an issue number to support the claim I don't buy it.

And I've yet to see proof of a certain claim that you made and have been dodging all night....

If you really want to play semantics games (and it's laughable that you think it's not obvious...) then no problem...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Borrowed it. Now answer the question.

Sure...soon as you provide me with the proof I've been waiting for all night.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
All findable in his respect thread.

The respect thread is 82 pages long and is full of unreliable information and misconstrued scans, I'm not looking there for accurate info. Forum rules stipulate that all claims must be backed by evidence from canon sources and a respect thread in no way qualifies as such. So scans or issue numbers please.

Originally posted by Avlon
And did not win...

He still did it. Now you need to show proof that suggest Supes can accomplish what Surfer did.

Originally posted by Avlon
And I've yet to see proof of a certain claim that you made and have been dodging all night....

If you really want to play semantics games (and it's laughable that you think it's not obvious...) then no problem...


I already told you that I didn't know and was checking on it.

Originally posted by Avlon
Sure...soon as you provide me with the proof I've been waiting for all night.

What claim do you need proof on exactly? The claim that the Infinity Crusade happened before the Unilord Saga, the claim that after being upgraded by the Blackbody he was able to absorb and store enough power to equal the Unilord, or the claim that Surfer hasn't had trouble storing energy since the Unilord Saga? Because I'm pretty sure that those are the only actual claims I made about it. When you started probing I said I'd check on it and left the thread alone while I do so. Notice I'm not there arguing the point now? Hell feel free to go overthere and press your side all you want, I won't say a damn thing about it without proof to support my arguement.

kgkg Vigilante

Keep at it folks 😄

Avlon Godot Brew#107
Originally posted by darthgoober
The respect thread is 82 pages long and is full of unreliable information and misconstrued scans, I'm not looking there for accurate info. Forum rules stipulate that all claims must be backed by evidence from canon sources and a respect thread in no way qualifies as such. So scans or issue numbers please.

Unreliable information like a certain Blackbody upgrade was kept even though no proof of the kind has been shown?

I do understand concerns when it comes to respect threads..HOWEVER, you can still see and make up your own mind as long as complete scans are posted. It's not like you are forced to go with the poster's intent...

Originally posted by darthgoober
He still did it. Now you need to show proof that suggest Supes can accomplish what Surfer did.

Did what? NOT win his fight against Surfer?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I already told you that I didn't know and was checking on it.

If you don't know. How can you make the claim? Isn't the first thing that you brought up "Forum rules stipulate that all claims must be backed by evidence from canon sources?"

Originally posted by darthgoober
What claim do you need proof on exactly? The claim that the Infinity Crusade happened before the Unilord Saga, the claim that after being upgraded by the Blackbody he was able to absorb and store enough power to equal the Unilord, or the claim that Surfer hasn't had trouble storing energy since the Unilord Saga? Because those are the only claims I made about it. When you started probing I said I'd check on it and left the thread alone while I do so. Notice I'm not there arguing the point now?

You've claimed that he kept the Blackbody upgrade and that he could absorb a sun correct? Where is it stated that he kept that upgrade and where has it been shown that he can absorb an entire sun on panel?

Superman HAS absorbed an entire Sun on panel. On panel Surfer has absorbed a portion of a sun and nearly gone insane and lost his cognitive functions...

Avlon Godot Brew#107
Originally posted by kgkg
Keep at it folks 😄

Maybe later. Sleepy time now. Worky work soon. 😮

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Avlon
Unreliable information like a certain Blackbody upgrade was kept even though no proof of the kind has been shown?

I'm of the opinion that if it wasn't stated that he lost then he still has it. If you disagree that's fine, but tonight I haven't even actually claimed that he still has it. And I didn't claim that he kept it in the respect thread either...

Originally posted by darthgoober
vs. Unilord- Yes Surfer was powered up by the Blackbody in this fight, but he never actually got rid of that upgrade…

Originally posted by Avlon
I do understand concerns when it comes to respect threads..HOWEVER, you can still see and make up your own mind as long as complete scans are posted. It's not like you are forced to go with the poster's intent...

I could... but fortunately enough I don't have to muddle through that mess because it's not a canon source. If you make the claim, it has to be backed by evidence from a canon source just as the Forum Rules stipulate here...

"No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it."

I'm not doing your work for you. You made the claim so you can back it up or concede the point.

Originally posted by Avlon
Did what? NOT win his fight against Surfer?

Successfully used the tactic against someone as powerful as Supes while in combat(which is what you asked for proof of). Now you show Supes resisting the tactic in combat so we can see how he'd stack up to Quasar while doing so since he's not Surfer.

Originally posted by Avlon
If you don't know. How can you make the claim? Isn't the first thing that you brought up "Forum rules stipulate that all claims must be backed by evidence from canon sources?"

Are you dyslexic or do you just not actually read other peoples posts? Here's the post I made...

Originally posted by darthgoober
That was during the Infinity Crusade which was before Surfer was upgraded by the Blackbody during the Unilord Saga. And after that upgrade his body was able to contain enough power to equal the Unilord. To my knowledge he hasn't shown any problems from absorbing too much energy since then.

Not that I'm saying it would make any difference in this fight, I just thought I'd point that out.

And here's the claim you made in response...

Originally posted by Avlon
The Infinity Crusade is a definite on panel example though. As for the blackbody upgrade. Is there anything on panel which says that Surfer kept it afterwards?

And here was my response...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Is there anything on panel that specifically says that Supes kept his powerup after the incident involving Cyborg and the Eradicator?

I didn't actually claim that Surfer definitely kept the Blackbody upgrade. I'm of the opinion he did and geared my initial posts with that in mind because he was never stated as losing it(at least to my knowledge). I brought up Supes/Cyborg/Eradicator because you've mentioned it before and I was trying to find common ground for you to relate to. But I never said that he had for sure and I said I'd go look as soon as I read up on Supes's upgrade.

Originally posted by Avlon
You've claimed that he kept the Blackbody upgrade and that he could absorb a sun correct? Where is it stated that he kept that upgrade and where has it been shown that he can absorb an entire sun on panel?

What the Hell, no I didn't. I've said it in the past because different people have different standards of what constitutes proof. But since you made it clear that you wouldn't accept anything less than it being outright stated and I was unable to find any common ground to lower your standards I made no such claims about it because I wouldn't have been able to back them up.

Originally posted by Avlon
Superman HAS absorbed an entire Sun on panel. On panel Surfer has absorbed a portion of a sun and nearly gone insane and lost his cognitive functions...

Which has what to do with this debate? Quit trying to change the subject and back the claims you made.

The Great Galen Restricted

Supes wins, quasar isnt bad but Supes speed,striking power and durability are to much to overcome. He takes it 8/10

ultimatethor Senior Member

Supes is an energy based being and quasars bands are set to detect any incoming energy signature and throw up the appropriate defenses. Regardless supes wont even use his superspeed as a startout tactic while quasar certainly will go for energy draining from the get go.

The Great Galen Restricted

Supes cells regenerate after being drained, a very overlooked ability for some reason. Anyhow Supes only needs to rush towards Quasar for this fight to be over.

ultimatethor Senior Member
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes cells regenerate after being drained, a very overlooked ability for some reason. Anyhow Supes only needs to rush towards Quasar for this fight to be over.

Yes supes cells regenerate after being drained but can u prove that it is at a level superior to what quasar can absorb? In other words instantaneous regeneration? As i said quasars bands will detect supes energy signature and throw up appropriate defenses. Supes also wont go for the big hit from the get go anyway while quasar certainly will play to his strength which is energy absorption as he ties to do in most fights.