Quasar vs Superman

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Yes supes cells regenerate after being drained but can u prove that it is at a level superior to what quasar can absorb? In other words instantaneous regeneration? As i said quasars bands will detect supes energy signature and throw up appropriate defenses. Supes also wont go for the big hit from the get go anyway while quasar certainly will play to his strength which is energy absorption as he ties to do in most fights.

Why woulnt Supes go for the imediate haymaker, both characters will play to there advantages. I remember Supes cells rengerating fairly quickly, im gonna have to check for exact speed.

Supes drawing power from the Sun - does that really fall under the KMC "basic knowledge" rules? It's not really obvious unless you know about Kryptonians...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Why woulnt Supes go for the imediate haymaker, both characters will play to there advantages. I remember Supes cells rengerating fairly quickly, im gonna have to check for exact speed.

Umm...Because its way out of character? Quasar actually does go for energy absorption against nearly every energy based opponent. He has even said on panel that it is his preferred tactic.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes drawing power from the Sun - does that really fall under the KMC "basic knowledge" rules? It's not really obvious unless you know about Kryptonians...

It does not need to fall under basic knowledge because quasar can detect the energy signatures of beings.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Umm...Because its way out of character? Quasar actually does go for energy absorption against nearly every energy based opponent. He has even said on panel that it is his preferred tactic.

Supes is a brawler...his first instict is to bring the fight to his opponent. He's already blitz city full of villians so it isnt"that"out of character.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes is a brawler...his first instict is to bring the fight to his opponent. He's already blitz city full of villians so it isnt"that"out of character.

Those are villains whom he knows and hence wants to quickly dispose of in order to save civilians. This is not a regular tactic for him. Also he would have to hit quasar at pretty high speeds to get in before his shields( speeds which could kill him and we all know how supes feels about that). Speed which he is reluctant to instantly use against people that he knows and regularly fights let alone quasar, a totally new opponent.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm of the opinion that if it wasn't stated that he lost then he still has it. If you disagree that's fine, but tonight I haven't even actually claimed that he still has it. And I didn't claim that he kept it in the respect thread either...

In other words... you don't have anything but speculation...once again...by your own example.

Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it."

Originally posted by darthgoober
I could... but fortunately enough I don't have to muddle through that mess because it's not a canon source. If you make the claim, it has to be backed by evidence from a canon source just as the Forum Rules stipulate here...

Try buying a comic then otherwise, last I remember on panel proof is canon. A lot more common than "I didn't say he still still has it but hey, if he hasn't said he's lost it..." very Bill Clinton-ish. 😉

Originally posted by darthgoober
"No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
[B]Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it." [/B]

So get to proving. Quasar did not beat Surfer who was hurting him with simple blasts. Funny how you left out that Quasar needed a machine to absorb Bio energy. 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not doing your work for you. You made the claim so you can back it up or concede the point.

I've done more research than you on this from the looks of it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Successfully used the tactic against someone as powerful as Supes while in combat(which is what you asked for proof of). Now you show Supes resisting the tactic in combat so we can see how he'd stack up to Quasar while doing so since he's not Surfer.

I named a few examples for you AND in your example...Quasar did not win his fight. LOL

Originally posted by darthgoober
Are you dyslexic or do you just not actually read other peoples posts? Here's the post I made...

And here's the claim you made in response...

And here was my response...

I think your game of twisty word is confusing you. Maybe it's time to go back to your clone wars.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't actually claim that Surfer definitely kept the Blackbody upgrade. I'm of the opinion he did and geared my initial posts with that in mind because he was never stated as losing it(at least to my knowledge). I brought up Supes/Cyborg/Eradicator because you've mentioned it before and I was trying to find common ground for you to relate to. But I never said that he had for sure and I said I'd go look as soon as I read up on Supes's upgrade.

So you aren't claiming kept the blackbody upgrade, but yet you are in the opinion that he did keep it because it was not stated that he lost it and you bring it up in debate as a point.

Bill Clinton strikes again guys!

Originally posted by darthgoober
What the Hell, no I didn't. I've said it in the past because different people have different standards of what constitutes proof. But since you made it clear that you wouldn't accept anything less than it being outright stated and I was unable to find any common ground to lower your standards I made no such claims about it because I wouldn't have been able to back them up.

LOL...and now you are on some high moral ground. You are the one who won't look at scans and don't trust respect threads. Guess you shouldn't use scans from the SS respect thread either.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Which has what to do with this debate? Quit trying to change the subject and back the claims you made.

How about you actually prove something instead of playing Bill "I did not inhale" Clinton tactics?

🙂

Originally posted by Avlon
In other words... you don't have anything but speculation...once again...by your own example.

Originally posted by Avlon
Try buying a comic then otherwise, last I remember on panel proof is canon. A lot more common than "I didn't say he still still has it but hey, if he hasn't said he's lost it..." very Bill Clinton-ish. 😉

Originally posted by Avlon
So get to proving. Quasar did not beat Surfer who was hurting him with simple blasts. Funny how you left out that Quasar needed a machine to absorb Bio energy. 🙂

Originally posted by Avlon
I've done more research than you on this from the looks of it.

Originally posted by Avlon
I named a few examples for you AND in your example...Quasar did not win his fight. LOL

Originally posted by Avlon
I think your game of twisty word is confusing you. Maybe it's time to go back to your clone wars.

Originally posted by Avlon
So you aren't claiming kept the blackbody upgrade, but yet you are in the opinion that he did keep it because it was not stated that he lost it and you bring it up in debate as a point.

Bill Clinton strikes again guys!

Originally posted by Avlon
LOL...and now you are on some high moral ground. You are the one who won't look at scans and don't trust respect threads. Guess you shouldn't use scans from the SS respect thread either.

Originally posted by Avlon
How about you actually prove something instead of playing Bill "I did not inhale" Clinton tactics?

🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
We've already covered Surfer and I already said that I'll be checking into it and won't press the point until I find proof. Now get back to the debate at hand and stop trying to change the subject...

Still waiting...

Originally posted by darthgoober
On Panel proof is canon, but a respect thread isn't. So post some on panel proof and we can move forward.

And there are plenty of on panel and muti page scans in one. Keep playing games Darth...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Prove what? Quasar was draining Surfer in combat, we both know that to be fact so I don't need to prove that he can drain people while in combat because you already recognize the fact that he was doing it in his battle with Surfer. The question is how Supes will handle the tactic and for that we need proof from your side because Supes isn't Surfer and feats for one don't carry over to the other. Supes's respect thread isn't a canon source to DC so go find your evidence because I'm under no obligation to do your work for you.

And yet again you play word games. I gave you names, there are scans, and there are things called comics.

You haven't actually provided proof on your end. You just lucked out that I KNOW the material that YOU referenced.

Point is... Quasar still did not win...no matter how you go around it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes you named a few examples but unfortunately I know longer trust your word on matters involving Supes so I'm going to need evidence from a canon source in the form of scans or issue numbers of the encounters in question.

I know YOU aren't questioning integrity. If you're trying to make things personal..just outright say it. 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm obviously not the one that's confused...

Apparently you are.

Originally posted by darthgoober
In debates with people that are more reasonable with you sure. I haven't actually tried to debate the point though have I?

Reasonable? Bill Clinton tactics yet again.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I will look at scans, all you have to do is provide some. If you're too lazy to fetch them yourself then just give me issue numbers.

You have yet to provide any of your own. How hypocritical.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I haven't made a claim that still needs to be proven. I already showed an instance of draining working successfully on Supes and you yourself admit that Quasar was using draining while in combat with Surfer, that's all the evidence that's needed from my side at this point. Now what we need is proof of Supes resisting the tactic in combat from you and the debate can move forward...

Sure... you're still trying to play twisty word. Where did Quasar win his fight?

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Yes supes cells regenerate after being drained but can u prove that it is at a level superior to what quasar can absorb? In other words instantaneous regeneration? As i said quasars bands will detect supes energy signature and throw up appropriate defenses. Supes also wont go for the big hit from the get go anyway while quasar certainly will play to his strength which is energy absorption as he ties to do in most fights.

Originally posted by Avlon
Still waiting...

And there are plenty of on panel and muti page scans in one. Keep playing games Darth...

And yet again you play word games. I gave you names, there are scans, and there are things called comics.

You haven't actually provided proof on your end. You just lucked out that I KNOW the material that YOU referenced.

Point is... Quasar still did not win...no matter how you go around it.

I know YOU aren't questioning integrity. If you're trying to make things personal..just outright say it. 🙂

Apparently you are.

Reasonable? Bill Clinton tactics yet again.

You have yet to provide any of your own. How hypocritical.

Sure... you're still trying to play twisty word. Where did Quasar win his fight?

... Oh and reported for trolling and refusing to abide by forum rules.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he doesnt need them at their full potential though, superman has shown he is still powerful eve nwhen weakened (him and zod were tearing up a planet while fighitng under a red sun)

Anyway Quasar wins for the following reasons unless proof come forward on Supes's behalf...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Quasar. Supes is a Solar Energy Battery and Quasar's one of the best energy absorbers in comics. Seems pretty simple to me...

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he doesnt need them at their full potential though, superman has shown he is still powerful eve nwhen weakened (him and zod were tearing up a planet while fighitng under a red sun)

lies. I dont know why some people are delibrately using that feat when they know its context( not talking about u in particular).

Av and Goob, I don't know what the problem is but please take it to a PM. Thank you.

durband

Originally posted by darthgoober
Untrue. That's an outright lie that's been perpetuated by a formerly respectable poster. Supes and Zod were spiritually tied to the planet, that's why it was being destroyed as the fight went on.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
lies. I dont know why some people are delibrately using that feat when they know its context( not talking about u in particular).

Originally posted by darthgoober
IDK what happened to you Avy. I mean you used to be a reasonable and respectable poster, but your misconstruing of scans(such as the Supes/Zod fight) combined with your now ridiculous arguments and refusal to show proof of any kind have left me with no alternative than to put you on ignore, and that's something that didn't even do with nvr. So congrats on being the first person and only person on my ignore list...

Good riddance. Your misconstruing of scans and trying to make points with silly cases like "space wind" and ""Quasar drained BIO energy" (nevermind that he needed a machine to do it) and now blatant dodging and playing of twisty word make you a less than reasonable debater as is. If you are going to point fingers...look in the mirror.

You won't be missed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
... Oh and reported for trolling and refusing to abide by forum rules.

Trolling suits you better. Next time you have marital issues, I suggest you don't post a topic about it in the vs thread. 🙂

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
oh sorry, well superman took the explosion of a suneater after being hit with red sun radiation

I wouldn't worry about it. Anyone who reads Superman on a regular basis knows Quasar isn't the one to beat him. 😉

Plus

Mr. Morals here hasn't even paid for a comic book in a decade. 🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
I download all of my comics and don't feel bad about it in any way, shape, or form. I do have a few hard copy's from back when I was a teenager but it's been somewhere in the area of 10 years since I last paid money for a comic book.[i]

[i]Originally posted by Badabing
Av and Goob, I don't know what the problem is but please take it to a PM. Thank you.

durband

I'm done with him. Back on topic Supes ftw.

Originally posted by Avlon
Trolling suits you better. Next time you have marital issues, I suggest you don't post a topic about it in the vs thread. 🙂