Abraxas vs. Michael

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Originally posted by Enyalus
And Abraxas collapses universes and entire dimensions by simply approaching them.

SO... 🙄

SO MIKAL WUD GET BFRD LULZ!!!!11

Originally posted by Enyalus
And Abraxas collapses universes and entire dimensions by simply approaching them.

Entropic processes are natural and require limited amounts of energy to accelerate. Michael has enough power to form a universe from absolutely nothing and still be functioning. He's literally the incarnate power of God.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

abraxas was realy only a major threat because of the ultimate nullifier,
which, even if we give it the most overstatement of power,
recreated an already existing multiverse or had the capability to destroy it.


Abraxas never used the UN, never intended on ever using it,
and never needed the UN to do anything.

Abraxas only wanted/acquired the UN,
so it wouldn't be used on him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Entropic processes are natural and require limited amounts of energy to accelerate.


Abraxas is the living embodiment of Omniversal destruction, not entropy.
(according to Roma, Eternity's form contains all that ever was, is or will be)

Entropy is another character in Marvel that also re-created all creation from nothingness,
after with the help of Genis ending all creation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas is the living embodiment of Omniversal destruction, not entropy.

Entropy is another character in Marvel that also re-created all creation from nothingness,
after with the help of Genis ending all creation.


If Abraxas was the living Embodiment of Omniversal destruction, then why in the HELL would he go from universe to universe destroying Galactus's when he could destroy the Omniverse at one time? And why the hell would he be scared of the Multiversal UN? 🙄

Originally posted by fangirl101

If Abraxas was the living Embodiment of Omniversal destruction,
then why in the HELL would he go from universe to universe destroying Galactus's when he could destroy the Omniverse at one time?


Because that's how the concept he represents works.

It's Omniversal scale destruction, but it's as he passes by each Universe,
sorta like an implosion in the process.

Originally posted by fangirl101

And why the hell would he be scared of the Multiversal UN?


Because the energies of the UN erases/re-creates Concepts.

Abraxas is the embodiment of a Concept,
but he's so ill you have to wipe out Creation,
and re-create a new creation where he didn't manifest in.

Abraxas wins this.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas is the living embodiment of Omniversal destruction, not entropy.
(according to Roma, Eternity's form contains all that ever was, is or will be)

Entropy is another character in Marvel that also re-created all creation from nothingness,
after with the help of Genis ending all creation.

I meant "entropy" not "Entropy", I'm not going to sacrafice grammar to satiate your nitpicking. Destruction and entropy are largely the same things, it takes less power to cause destruction than it does to create from absolute nothingness.

Michael is the living power of God incarnate as the form of a solitary being. His power level is absolute and has been shown to be far more absolute than Abraxas ever did. Michael created the largest possible construct possible within his version of reality and was still doing fine.

Michael has the power to wipe out everything and reset it. So Why not just wipe out everything and beat Abraxas? I dont' see how anything less than another concept on the same level would even be a challenge.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Michael created the largest possible construct possible within his version of reality and was still doing fine.

Yes, he created a universe. So has Jim Jaspers, a human mutant. 😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yes, he created a universe. So has Jim Jaspers, a human mutant. 😛

Vertigo is a collection of Multiverses. When did you think Micheal create a universe? He pwned the Spectre and could outright destroy the concept of the wrath of God. That is serious mojo. Destroy a concept connected directly to God.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yes, he created a universe. So has Jim Jaspers, a human mutant. 😛

Jaspers wasn't able to create from nothing. Michael contained that level of power inside of him and even after releasing it was alive and well.

Universe is the highest level of creation possible in the Lucifer series. It's effectively equivalent to Omniverse anyway.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Vertigo is a collection of Multiverses. When did you think Micheal create a universe? He pwned the Spectre and could outright destroy the concept of the wrath of God. That is serious mojo. Destroy a concept connected directly to God.

I was going off of this:

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He created a universe. From nothing.

I don't read Vertigo, so I admit that my knowledge of Michael and Lucifer are limited to what I learn on KMC via scans and whatnot. Abraxas was able to utterly and easily destroy multiple versions of Galactus, as well as wipe out every version of a character (Mr. Fantastic) throughout the entire multiverse (with a simple gesture), as well as erasing Uatu's memory (which isn't really a combat feat, but is pretty cool).

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't read Vertigo, so I admit that my knowledge of Michael and Lucifer are limited to what I learn on KMC via scans and whatnot. Abraxas was able to utterly and easily destroy multiple versions of Galactus, as well as wipe out every version of a character (Mr. Fantastic) throughout the entire multiverse (with a simple gesture), as well as erasing Uatu's memory (which isn't really a combat feat, but is pretty cool).

Micheal was equal in power to Lucifer, who collapsed a plane of reality with his footsteps . . .

Originally posted by Enyalus
I was going off of this:

I don't read Vertigo, so I admit that my knowledge of Michael and Lucifer are limited to what I learn on KMC via scans and whatnot. Abraxas was able to utterly and easily destroy multiple versions of Galactus, as well as wipe out every version of a character (Mr. Fantastic) throughout the entire multiverse (with a simple gesture), as well as erasing Uatu's memory (which isn't really a combat feat, but is pretty cool).


Spectre>>>>>>>>>>>Galactus.

Micheal was also more poweful than Lucifer. And Lucifer was more powerful than the Source. He was more powerful than Dream.

Abraxas is too far down on the chain to be put up against Micheal. I"d put abraxas up against maybe like Classic Parallax Or maybe batmite. Never someone so high as michael. The next step Above Micheal is God.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He created a universe. From nothing.
Creating a universe is more impressive than destroying and creating a multiverse?

ok

Originally posted by Mindset
Creating a universe is more impressive than destroying and creating a multiverse?

ok

When it's the greatest possible feat . . .

So it's not, ok, we agree.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

I meant "entropy" not "Entropy",
I'm not going to sacrafice grammar to satiate your nitpicking.


"nitpicking?" ... huh?

I was simply clearing the facts up friend.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Destruction and entropy are largely the same things


Not in Marvel comics.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

it takes less power to cause destruction than it does to create from absolute nothingness.


👆 I agree.

btw. Entropy re-created all creation from nothingness.

"Creation" .. is not part of Abraxas' purpose, strictly destruction,
but Eternity is a perpetuating creation event taking place at all times:

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is
"

.........

Didn't help him against Abraxas though.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Michael is the living power of God incarnate as the form of a solitary being.
His power level is absolute and has been shown to be far more absolute than Abraxas ever did.


I haven't posted an opinion on the battle,
I was only clearing up an honest mistake concerning Abraxas.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Michael created the largest possible construct possible within his version of reality
and was still doing fine.


A fraction of Eternity creates entire UniverseS all day, everyday.

But I can name you 4 cats that have re-created the entire Marvel Universe from nothingness.

None of them were close to THOTI. (God's power)

Just sayin.