Abraxas vs. Michael

Started by Mr Master3 pages
Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Jaspers wasn't able to create from nothing.


Merlyn was able to create not only an entire Universe from nothing,
but he also created a freakin Omniversal Nexus (Starlight Citadel) ... insane feat,
besides manipulating the Omniverse's life-force, ouch.

Yet, 238 Jaspers > Merlyn

616 Jaspers > 238 Jaspers

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Universe is the highest level of creation possible in the Lucifer series.
It's effectively equivalent to Omniverse anyway.


Wasn't it a separate Universe aside from the DC reality?

If so, it's definitely not an Omniverse,
since everything in DC would fall under that term.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yes, he created a universe. So has Jim Jaspers, a human mutant. 😛
Considering Jim Jaspers>Abraxas, I hardly see your point.

spawnwest Senior Member

Michael wins this while eating a bag of cheetos.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by Mr Master
But I can name you 4 cats that have re-created the entire Marvel Universe from nothingness.

None of them were close to THOTI. (God's power)

Just sayin.

As someone pointed out the main universe in the Lucifer series was really many dimensions/realms/universes as demonstrated by Lucifer's journeys. Lucifer (an individual who is roughly Micheal's equal) has even casually passed beyond the Source, not just the Wall the Source itself. Michael also didn't recreate anything, his power was used to form a new reality where there had never been anything at all.

The entity that is the supreme being for all of DC is the Presence (with it's name literally inscribed on every particle of existance). Micheal's power set is that of possessing the raw power of the Presence lacking only ability to shape it. He is by definition equal to God's power because by definition he is God's power, lesser than the Presence only because he cannot give form. His title is Michael Demiurgos.

The problem is simply one of semantics. In Marvel they refer to the totality of reality as the Omniverse, in the Lucifer series they called it the Universe most of the time. Once people stepped outside of the Uni/Omniverse there wasn't anything at all, no extra universes or multiverses or anything (well there was a pub, but that's not really important).