Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer travels at those speeds in space on his board. In battle, he's never been known for any type of speed. It's like saying he can fly...sure...he can fly on his board...but off it..nope.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpg
Just one instance.
Originally posted by Enyalus
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpgJust one instance.
He makes a comment while fighting the Hulk.
Human level characters dodge the Hulk.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
No one ever said K-nite or red radiation didnt have a effect, but he has highly resistent showings were it was practically useless. The fact that this is constantly brought up is laugable...oh and SS cells have regenerated after being absorbed.
Yes supes has showings were he has taken K nite or red sun radiation and still continued fighting but for u to say they are practically useless in this fight is just daft. Regularly surfer has a higher offensive power output than superman. His regular blasts are already powerful enough to hurt supes. Him weakening supes( whether through absorption red sun radiation or k-nite) before using his power blasts is therefore a very effective strategy.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Ur assuming that because he has FTL flight speed and nanosecond refelex that he can move/react at those speeds in h2h.
Do you know what reflexes are? Do you know what you use in a hand to hand fight? Have you ever been in a fight where you weren't knocked out in the first six seconds?
You're becoming annoying. The Hulk couldn't even see him in his battle. He's gone hand to hand with Gladiator, who is a MA beast and who has shown incredible H2H speed. I'm sure there are other feats, but I can't remember them off hand, and wouldn't care to list them since you'll simply ignore them anyway.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Well, Hulk has superhuman reflexes/speed...But my main point was that he was flying while not on his board. 😛
I'll give you that you have a good sense of humor. His feet are on the floor though. 😛
There is one instance where Surfer sort of/kinda flies without his board though. 😉
Originally posted by Enyalus
Do you know what reflexes are? Do you know what you use in a hand to hand fight? Have you ever been in a fight where you weren't knocked out in the first six seconds?You're becoming annoying. The Hulk couldn't even see him in his battle. He's gone hand to hand with Gladiator, who is a MA beast and who has shown incredible H2H speed. I'm sure there are other feats, but I can't remember them off hand, and wouldn't care to list them since you'll simply ignore them anyway.
.....flight speed and navigation reflexes dont=MA skill or h2h speed...try again.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I never claimed he has FTL h2h speed, he does use super speed in h2h though with MA talent.
Originally posted by Avlon
I'll give you that you have a good sense of humor. His feet are on the floor though. 😛There is one instance where Surfer sort of/kinda flies without his board though. 😉
Next time I'll look at my scans before posting them, LOL! Nice catch.
In Exiles, Surfer is shown flying without his board several times. Its in Universe 552 (I think), so, not 616. But they have the same powerset. Does that count?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I never claimed he has FTL h2h speed, he does use super speed in h2h though with MA talent.
What MA talent? He doesn't get that until Trinity...? (Avlon, isn't that the case?)
Originally posted by Enyalus
Next time I'll look at my scans before posting them, LOL! Nice catch.In Exiles, Surfer is shown flying without his board several times. Its in Universe 552 (I think), so, not 616. But they have the same powerset. Does that count?
On this board, they don't count feats from alternate universes. The one I'm thinking was one time when Thing threw him...right before his battle with Red Shift.
Originally posted by Enyalus
What MA talent? He doesn't get that until Trinity...? (Avlon, isn't that the case?)
He's shown MA before. For instance, he used pressure points to paralyze Batman before (LOL) and has done nightwing like flips in the air while depowered.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Then give us a quantifiable blitz and we'll see if Surfer's ever reacted to anything moving at that speed. Without a blitz from Supes to support your argument it doesn't matter what Surfer's speed is.
It does matter because SS has never ultalized superspeed in h2h confrontations. Supes superspeed in combat isn't quantfiable but then again SS doesnt even have h2h superspeed:
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=351yc.jpg http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=424rf.jpg http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=344tl.jpg http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=361po.jpg
http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=708yd.png
http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=765iy.png
http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=744qe.png
Im neglecting to mention this one incident where Supes and some oppnent were fighting at a incredibly fast rate that they appeared at different points on the earth insantly...sadly I dont have the scans but maybe AV knows what im referring to. On the note of Supes MA ability:
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21if.jpg http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=151hw.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=253wr.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=264bt.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesskillz1eh.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supeskillz22jv.jpg
Now as far as SS"nanosecond"Reaction is concerned, well supes flight speed is faster then a nanosecond. SS has reacted great during flight navigation but has he ever reacted to a oppnent racing towards him in faster then "nanoseoncd" speed. He even managed to impress Amazo with his speed even as far as to actually get the first hit on him...and mind you Amazo does have the combined attributes of the JL:
http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=as603p18pc8.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/SupermanBlitz.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/SupermanBlitz1.jpg
Finally, what kind of striking power can SS expect to deal with. Aside from holding back this one speaks vollumes:
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trinity05003vl7.jpg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
It does matter because SS has never ultalized superspeed in h2h confrontations. Supes superspeed in combat isn't quantfiable but then again SS doesnt even have h2h superspeed:http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=351yc.jpg http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=424rf.jpg http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=344tl.jpg http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=361po.jpg
http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=708yd.png
http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=765iy.png
http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=744qe.pngIm neglecting to mention this one incident where Supes and some oppnent were fighting at a incredibly fast rate that they appeared at different points on the earth insantly...sadly I dont have the scans but maybe AV knows what im referring to. On the note of Supes MA ability:
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21if.jpg http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=151hw.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=253wr.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=264bt.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesskillz1eh.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supeskillz22jv.jpgNow as far as SS"nanosecond"Reaction is concerned, well supes flight speed is faster then a nanosecond. SS has reacted great during flight navigation but has he ever reacted to a oppnent racing towards him in faster then "nanoseoncd" speed. He even managed to impress Amazo with his speed even as far as to actually get the first hit on him...and mind you Amazo does have the combined attributes of the JL:
http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=as603p18pc8.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/SupermanBlitz.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/SupermanBlitz1.jpgFinally, what kind of striking power can SS expect to deal with. Aside from holding back this one speaks vollumes:
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trinity05003vl7.jpg
Once again, u display such a narrow view of the fight. This is NOT a hand to hand confrontation. Ss has his board and can blast and use all of his other powers. SS HAS shown the ability to initiate numerous attacks(blast) at superfast speed( while on his board). Why the hell would he get into a h2h battle in the first place? He also has very powerful forcefields so which wud give him superior defensive capabilities in h2h battles.MA ability is really irrelevant in a fight that is not going to be h2h anyway
As for the flight speed thing, it works both ways. Show supes reacting to SS flight speed. Also SS does need to react by blocking physicaly. He has shown that with but a thought he can create forcefields and his mental processing speed is far above supermans. Oh and SS has also reacted to instantaneous travel before while in battle.
Finally, i hope that u are not questioning SS durability by posting that last scan.( really superman needs to actually destroy a planet ala glaidiator or something). Considering that he as able to take a shot like this after already taking numerous blasts and strikes from 2 galactus level beings without being koed.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Annihilation-HeraldsofGalactus2--2.jpg
