Hell yeah, scans. Now this is the kind of debate I can get into.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
It does matter because SS has never ultalized superspeed in h2h confrontations. Supes superspeed in combat isn't quantfiable but then again SS doesnt even have h2h superspeed:
Nonsense. Surfer doesn’t show speed like Supes because he doesn’t have to, but there are several instances were he’s proved himself capable.
The scan you like to show(you didn’t this time that I saw but you know the one I’m referring to) of DD’s punches passing through Supes as an indication of Supes using speed in combat is simulated by Surfer right here…
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpg
Multiple images of him attacking can be seen here…
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
Surfer thinking, moving, and then attacking in less than a second can be found here…
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg
Surfer dodging at light speed can be found here…
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg
Surfer blitzing an opponent with actual super speed can be found here as he grabs Nova by the throat and throws him with such speed that Nova thinks he got hit with an energy blast here…
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova13dcp029kv7.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010ct3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011pd5.jpg
Moving into specific details…
Here’s Surfer moving his hand at super speed as he blocks an energy blast here…
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1663/silversurferannual0124na7.jpg
…and here…
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9906/p3silversurferv309016gd0.jpg
Here’s Surfer moving his torso at super speed as he ducks under an energy blast here…
[img=http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4663/silversurferv306409lh9.th.jpg]
…and here…
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8241/thor47014fn6.jpg
Surfer moving his whole body at super speed as he does a one armed handstand on his board to avoid an energy blast here…
[img=http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3839/silversurferannual0624bd0.th.jpg]
…and then goes on to dodge the energy blast fired on the last panel of the previous scan while still of his board here…
[img=http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1094/silversurferannual0625jw0.th.jpg]
And here we see actually Surfer interrupting a speed blitz from an opponent(that only got started because of the cheap shot in the first panel)…
[img=http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/952/silversurferv308022fs5.th.jpg]
See Surfer CAN move his whole body at super speeds when it‘s necessary, it’s just that speed isn’t featured as much in Marvel as it is in DC. Without a quantifiable blitz from Supes at a speed that's greater than Surfer's been shown to react at you can't reasonably suggest a blitz on Supes's part.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im neglecting to mention this one incident where Supes and some oppnent were fighting at a incredibly fast rate that they appeared at different points on the earth insantly...sadly I dont have the scans but maybe AV knows what im referring to. On the note of Supes MA ability:
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4535/incrediblehulk95010je9.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7499/incrediblehulk95011zw0.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3747/incrediblehulk95012gs9.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4056/incrediblehulk95013ao4.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4221/incrediblehulk95014kq6.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6994/silversurfer05910gg3.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6915/silversurfer05911hr8.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9651/silversurfer0591213qb4.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5686/silversurfer05914ui7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1624/silversurfer05915iy9.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5687/silversurfer05916gz4.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/654/silversurfer05917kc9.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4827/silversurfer05918ur3.jpg
And it’s not as if he’s been unable to deal with uber MA’s in the past using only his physical abilities and simple blast before…
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8562/silversurfer198903013xs3.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9861/silversurfer198903014id3.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/174/silversurfer198903015nr1.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4335/silversurferv306008sa9.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3317/silversurferv306009wa8.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9255/silversurferv306010zl5.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1640/silversurferv306011lw5.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5776/silversurferv306012xd9.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7362/silversurferv306013zd8.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9350/silversurferv306014ag1.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4374/silversurferv306015fw9.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2061/silversurferv306016zx3.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3842/silversurferv306017hg6.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1366/silversurferv306018gi1.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3433/silversurferv306019jh0.jpg
So even if Supes somehow brought the fight in close it’s not as if he’d have an easy time taking Surfer down.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Now as far as SS"nanosecond"Reaction is concerned, well supes flight speed is faster then a nanosecond. SS has reacted great during flight navigation but has he ever reacted to a oppnent racing towards him in faster then "nanoseoncd" speed. He even managed to impress Amazo with his speed even as far as to actually get the first hit on him...and mind you Amazo does have the combined attributes of the JL:
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Finally, what kind of striking power can SS expect to deal with. Aside from holding back this one speaks vollumes:http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trinity05003vl7.jpg
Yes, but he’s not going to be able to sustain that level of power for any significant amount of time when Surfer nsils him with red sun radiation or k-nite or starts draining his stores of solar energy. What’s more, Surfer can simply surround his body with an aura of red sun or k-nite kinda like this…
[img=http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1535/ssenslavers55xf9.th.jpg]
[img=http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3280/ssenslavers56yw5.th.jpg]
..and I’m willing to bet that Surfer’s punches will damage Supes more than vice versa. Or he can surround himself with a force field or contain Supes in a force field and the list just goes on and on. In the end Surfer just has too many options available to him for Supes to handle in a forum fight.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Hell yeah, scans. Now this is the kind of debate I can get into.Nonsense. Surfer doesn’t show speed like Supes because he doesn’t have to, but there are several instances were he’s proved himself capable.
The scan you like to show(you didn’t this time that I saw but you know the one I’m referring to) of DD’s punches passing through Supes as an indication of Supes using speed in combat is simulated by Surfer right here…
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpgMultiple images of him attacking can be seen here…
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpgSurfer thinking, moving, and then attacking in less than a second can be found here…
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpgSurfer dodging at light speed can be found here…
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpgSurfer blitzing an opponent with actual super speed can be found here as he grabs Nova by the throat and throws him with such speed that Nova thinks he got hit with an energy blast here…
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova13dcp029kv7.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010ct3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011pd5.jpgMoving into specific details…
Here’s Surfer moving his hand at super speed as he blocks an energy blast here…
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1663/silversurferannual0124na7.jpg…and here…
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9906/p3silversurferv309016gd0.jpgHere’s Surfer moving his torso at super speed as he ducks under an energy blast here…
[img=http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4663/silversurferv306409lh9.th.jpg]…and here…
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8241/thor47014fn6.jpgSurfer moving his whole body at super speed as he does a one armed handstand on his board to avoid an energy blast here…
[img=http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3839/silversurferannual0624bd0.th.jpg]
…and then goes on to dodge the energy blast fired on the last panel of the previous scan while still of his board here…
[img=http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1094/silversurferannual0625jw0.th.jpg]And here we see actually Surfer interrupting a speed blitz from an opponent(that only got started because of the cheap shot in the first panel)…
[img=http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/952/silversurferv308022fs5.th.jpg]See Surfer CAN move his whole body at super speeds when it‘s necessary, it’s just that speed isn’t featured as much in Marvel as it is in DC. Without a quantifiable blitz from Supes at a speed that's greater than Surfer's been shown to react at you can't reasonably suggest a blitz on Supes's part.
And you won’t get any arguments from me saying that Surfer’s a better h2h fight either. But Surfer does have some decent showings of melee skills to his credit…
[img=http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3406/silversurfer1219no5.th.jpg]
[img=http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7659/silversurfer1220sf6.th.jpg]http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4535/incrediblehulk95010je9.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7499/incrediblehulk95011zw0.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3747/incrediblehulk95012gs9.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4056/incrediblehulk95013ao4.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4221/incrediblehulk95014kq6.jpghttp://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6994/silversurfer05910gg3.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6915/silversurfer05911hr8.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9651/silversurfer0591213qb4.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5686/silversurfer05914ui7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1624/silversurfer05915iy9.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5687/silversurfer05916gz4.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/654/silversurfer05917kc9.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4827/silversurfer05918ur3.jpgAnd it’s not as if he’s been unable to deal with uber MA’s in the past using only his physical abilities and simple blast before…
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8562/silversurfer198903013xs3.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9861/silversurfer198903014id3.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/174/silversurfer198903015nr1.jpghttp://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4335/silversurferv306008sa9.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3317/silversurferv306009wa8.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9255/silversurferv306010zl5.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1640/silversurferv306011lw5.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5776/silversurferv306012xd9.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7362/silversurferv306013zd8.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9350/silversurferv306014ag1.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4374/silversurferv306015fw9.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2061/silversurferv306016zx3.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3842/silversurferv306017hg6.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1366/silversurferv306018gi1.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3433/silversurferv306019jh0.jpgSo even if Supes somehow brought the fight in close it’s not as if he’d have an easy time taking Surfer down.
Surfer’s flight speed trumps Supes’s, fact. If we’re talking about a bull rushing contest, Surfer wins hands down.
Yes, but he’s not going to be able to sustain that level of power for any significant amount of time when Surfer nsils him with red sun radiation or k-nite or starts draining his stores of solar energy. What’s more, Surfer can simply surround his body with an aura of red sun or k-nite kinda like this…
[img=http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1535/ssenslavers55xf9.th.jpg]
[img=http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3280/ssenslavers56yw5.th.jpg]..and I’m willing to bet that Surfer’s punches will damage Supes more than vice versa. Or he can surround himself with a force field or contain Supes in a force field and the list just goes on and on. In the end Surfer just has too many options available to him for Supes to handle in a forum fight.
Very Mr Master like post. 👆 👆
Originally posted by skygunner41
I don't really need to look for respect thread cause really in what way you gauge T&A with Big G level.
T&A combined are superior in power to Big G. A full powered Big G is the equal of Eternity. And a severely weakened Big G was able to casually destroy 3 solar systems at once. His battle with Tyrant was destroying entire galaxies.
Originally posted by darthgooberPwnage!
Hell yeah, scans. Now this is the kind of debate I can get into.Nonsense. Surfer doesn’t show speed like Supes because he doesn’t have to, but there are several instances were he’s proved himself capable.
The scan you like to show(you didn’t this time that I saw but you know the one I’m referring to) of DD’s punches passing through Supes as an indication of Supes using speed in combat is simulated by Surfer right here…
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpgMultiple images of him attacking can be seen here…
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpgSurfer thinking, moving, and then attacking in less than a second can be found here…
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpgSurfer dodging at light speed can be found here…
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpgSurfer blitzing an opponent with actual super speed can be found here as he grabs Nova by the throat and throws him with such speed that Nova thinks he got hit with an energy blast here…
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova13dcp029kv7.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010ct3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011pd5.jpgMoving into specific details…
Here’s Surfer moving his hand at super speed as he blocks an energy blast here…
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1663/silversurferannual0124na7.jpg…and here…
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9906/p3silversurferv309016gd0.jpgHere’s Surfer moving his torso at super speed as he ducks under an energy blast here…
[img=http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4663/silversurferv306409lh9.th.jpg]…and here…
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8241/thor47014fn6.jpgSurfer moving his whole body at super speed as he does a one armed handstand on his board to avoid an energy blast here…
[img=http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3839/silversurferannual0624bd0.th.jpg]
…and then goes on to dodge the energy blast fired on the last panel of the previous scan while still of his board here…
[img=http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1094/silversurferannual0625jw0.th.jpg]And here we see actually Surfer interrupting a speed blitz from an opponent(that only got started because of the cheap shot in the first panel)…
[img=http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/952/silversurferv308022fs5.th.jpg]See Surfer CAN move his whole body at super speeds when it‘s necessary, it’s just that speed isn’t featured as much in Marvel as it is in DC. Without a quantifiable blitz from Supes at a speed that's greater than Surfer's been shown to react at you can't reasonably suggest a blitz on Supes's part.
And you won’t get any arguments from me saying that Surfer’s a better h2h fight either. But Surfer does have some decent showings of melee skills to his credit…
[img=http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3406/silversurfer1219no5.th.jpg]
[img=http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7659/silversurfer1220sf6.th.jpg]http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4535/incrediblehulk95010je9.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7499/incrediblehulk95011zw0.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3747/incrediblehulk95012gs9.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4056/incrediblehulk95013ao4.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4221/incrediblehulk95014kq6.jpghttp://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6994/silversurfer05910gg3.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6915/silversurfer05911hr8.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9651/silversurfer0591213qb4.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5686/silversurfer05914ui7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1624/silversurfer05915iy9.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5687/silversurfer05916gz4.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/654/silversurfer05917kc9.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4827/silversurfer05918ur3.jpgAnd it’s not as if he’s been unable to deal with uber MA’s in the past using only his physical abilities and simple blast before…
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/8562/silversurfer198903013xs3.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9861/silversurfer198903014id3.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/174/silversurfer198903015nr1.jpghttp://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4335/silversurferv306008sa9.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3317/silversurferv306009wa8.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9255/silversurferv306010zl5.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1640/silversurferv306011lw5.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5776/silversurferv306012xd9.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7362/silversurferv306013zd8.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9350/silversurferv306014ag1.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4374/silversurferv306015fw9.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2061/silversurferv306016zx3.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3842/silversurferv306017hg6.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1366/silversurferv306018gi1.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3433/silversurferv306019jh0.jpgSo even if Supes somehow brought the fight in close it’s not as if he’d have an easy time taking Surfer down.
Surfer’s flight speed trumps Supes’s, fact. If we’re talking about a bull rushing contest, Surfer wins hands down.
Yes, but he’s not going to be able to sustain that level of power for any significant amount of time when Surfer nsils him with red sun radiation or k-nite or starts draining his stores of solar energy. What’s more, Surfer can simply surround his body with an aura of red sun or k-nite kinda like this…
[img=http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1535/ssenslavers55xf9.th.jpg]
[img=http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3280/ssenslavers56yw5.th.jpg]..and I’m willing to bet that Surfer’s punches will damage Supes more than vice versa. Or he can surround himself with a force field or contain Supes in a force field and the list just goes on and on. In the end Surfer just has too many options available to him for Supes to handle in a forum fight.
Neat.
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