Originally posted by Priest
Are you sure about that 😕
His skin was cracked, yet he was still able to draw the energies of the crunch which is still impressive.
Yup...and as a matter of fact..it was just a bunch of prison pods/satellites. They weren't even planets.
He literally Surfed and pulled out a bit of crunch energy which killed T&A which isn't a bad feat. At the same time, Superman has taken Entropy shots and not ended up in as bad of a condition. Luckily Galactus healed him before he died.
Originally posted by Priest
This is funny, Tenebrous had Galactus on the ropes when they were going at it in H2H..
Going by ur distorted logic, Gladiator could hit harder than Tenebrous.
SO Gladiator can own The Big G in h2h!
Nice comparison.😆
LOL. I'm going by what's on panel. Distorted logic is what you are showing my friend. For example. It took T&A together to bring down a weak Galactus..something Thor has been able to do on his own.
Galactus alone imprisoned their ENTIRE race. Galactus level each indeed. LOL
You can deny it all you want, abd you are free to take that up with Marvel if you so choose.
Originally posted by Priest
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Where did u see harder hits from Gladiator?
Tenebrous one shoted a Planet with Surfer in the middle, Glads used 3 punches 🙂
I hope you read the comic, because:
A...it wasn't a planet. (if nobody else reads this, it will be our secret!)
B...a chunk came off tops. It wasn't destroyed.
If you owned the comic, you probably would know that though.
Originally posted by Priest
Besides, from what I remember that feat from gladiator was simulated by Reed Richards, it mite as well be hyperbole.
Was it? Do tell. I'm all eyes.
Originally posted by darthgoober
See Surfer CAN move his whole body at super speeds when it‘s necessary, it’s just that speed isn’t featured as much in Marvel as it is in DC. Without a quantifiable blitz from Supes at a speed that's greater than Surfer's been shown to react at you can't reasonably suggest a blitz on Supes's part.
Nice attempt, although the scans you've posted still havn't refuted his inability to ultalize super speed in h2h. The scans I posted show direct examples of Clarks speed in relation to h2h and MA application. You've provided examples of SS super speed as it relates to movement/reflex but in a non-h2h capcity.....never once did you actually provide an example of SS"h2h blizting" such as this http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
It was the same error nvr made when he attemped to infer WW's "h2h speed" by applying her abilities when it comes to "deflecting/blocking". It isn't a faulty line of reasoning but unfortunatly none of these speed attributes ever manifest during h2h confrontations....as you're latter scans proved lol. While we are on this subject I never doubted SS couldnt move at super speed..I doubted that he could move at super speed while fighting"Supes superspeed in combat isn't quantfiable but then again SS doesnt even have h2h superspeed."
So even if Supes somehow brought the fight in close it’s not as if he’d have an easy time taking Surfer down
Escept that the opponents who have battled SS in the scans you provided were outclassing SS and didn't even have h2h super speed or striking power comparable to Supes. In fact,the feats you posted on the early onset of you're reply are entirly invalidated since SS's"reaction/speed"never manifested into battle to the same degree it has when he travels or evades projectiles. Supes has a massive H2H speed advantage with superior MA talent and striking power....even if SS did have h2h super speed it isn't like Supes hasn't defended agaisnt it before http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg....on On that note are SS punches any faster then Doomsday because from the battles I've seen (Thor,Thanos,Champion,Drax) it doesnt seem that way http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg
Yes, but he’s not going to be able to sustain that level of power for any significant amount of time when Surfer nsils him with red sun radiation or k-nite or starts draining his stores of solar energy. What’s more, Surfer can simply surround his body with an aura of red sun or k-nite kinda like this…
First let's clear somethings, while he was still beaten he did hold his own....energy abosption
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?...infight14ed.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?...infight26lm.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight37qf.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight48nc.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight93ak.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight108fk.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight110hh.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight128wo.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight133mw.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight144tn.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight166mx.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight175jo.jpg
Surviving being thrown into a red sund
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sun9ep.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sun23pb.jpg
Now his resistence to K-nite
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp3ny3.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp4gb9.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?i...envssbp5mw9.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp6rp7.jpg
Of couse that isn't to say that SS shrouding his body in K-nite/Red Sun radiation isn't effective..j ust that it might take more time to fully weakened supes then most people give credit for (especially if Amazo was stating he was hard to go down with red sun radiation). He has fought the eraicator near a red sun so it isn't like he become immobile instantly from its effects. If this allows Supes time to impose his superior h2h ability, SS will certainly not have a "easy"time ahead of him. On this note, even though SS can blast projectiles or even"red sun/k-nite" bolts at super speed,Supes has been shown to catch multiple bullets fired at him and even vibrate/phase past projectiles.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanbulletdeflection.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...050314pm5fl.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...gbullets2ww.jpg
SS basically what this all adds up to is the same basic argument we've always had....if SS blast away with k-nite bolts then supes will simple avoid it. If SS tries to "brawl"with supes then...well outside of shrouding himself with a k-nite/red sun aura he doesn't really measure up.
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Originally posted by The Great Galen
Nice attempt, although the scans you've posted still havn't refuted his inability to ultalize super speed in h2h. The scans I posted show direct examples of Clarks speed in relation to h2h and MA application. You've provided examples of SS super speed as it relates to movement/reflex but in a non-h2h capcity.....never once did you actually provide an example of SS"h2h blizting" such as this http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
It was the same error nvr made when he attemped to infer WW's "h2h speed" by applying her abilities when it comes to "deflecting/blocking". It isn't a faulty line of reasoning but unfortunatly none of these speed attributes ever manifest during h2h confrontations....as you're latter scans proved lol. While we are on this subject I never doubted SS couldnt move at super speed..I doubted that he could move at super speed while fighting"Supes superspeed in combat isn't quantfiable but then again SS doesnt even have h2h superspeed."Escept that the opponents who have battled SS in the scans you provided were outclassing SS and didn't even have h2h super speed or striking power comparable to Supes. In fact,the feats you posted on the early onset of you're reply are entirly invalidated since SS's"reaction/speed"never manifested into battle to the same degree it has when he travels or evades projectiles. Supes has a massive H2H speed advantage with superior MA talent and striking power....even if SS did have h2h super speed it isn't like Supes hasn't defended agaisnt it before http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg....on that note are SS punches any faster then Doomsday because from the battles I've seen (Thor,Thanos,Champion,Drax) it doesnt seem that way http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg
First let's clear somethings, while he was still beaten he did hold his own....energy abosption
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?...infight14ed.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?...infight26lm.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight37qf.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight48nc.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight93ak.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight108fk.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight110hh.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight128wo.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight133mw.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight144tn.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight166mx.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight175jo.jpg
Surviving being thrown into a red sund
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sun9ep.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sun23pb.jpg
Now his resistence to K-nite
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp3ny3.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp4gb9.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?i...envssbp5mw9.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp6rp7.jpgOf couse that isn't to say that SS shrouding his body in K-nite/Red Sun radiation isn't effective..j ust that it might take more time to fully weakened supes then most people give credit for (especially if Amazo was stating he was hard to go down with red sun radiation). He has fought the eraicator near a red sun so it isn't like he become immobile instantly from its effects. If this allows Supes time to impose his superior h2h ability, SS will certainly not have a "easy"time ahead of him. On this note, even though SS can blast projectiles or even"red sun/k-nite" bolts at super speed,Supes has been shown to catch multiple bullets fired at him and even vibrate/phase past projectiles.
SS basically what this all adds up to is the same basic argument we've always had....if SS blast away with k-nite bolts then supes will simple avoid it. If SS tries to "brawl"with supes then...well outside of shrouding himself with a k-nite/red sun aura he doesn't really measure up.
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Nice Owning. 🙂
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Nice attempt, although the scans you've posted still havn't refuted his inability to ultalize super speed in h2h. The scans I posted show direct examples of Clarks speed in relation to h2h and MA application. You've provided examples of SS super speed as it relates to movement/reflex but in a non-h2h capcity.....never once did you actually provide an example of SS"h2h blizting" such as this http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
It was the same error nvr made when he attemped to infer WW's "h2h speed" by applying her abilities when it comes to "deflecting/blocking". It isn't a faulty line of reasoning but unfortunatly none of these speed attributes ever manifest during h2h confrontations....as you're latter scans proved lol. While we are on this subject I never doubted SS couldnt move at super speed..I doubted that he could move at super speed while fighting"Supes superspeed in combat isn't quantfiable but then again SS doesnt even have h2h superspeed.".
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Escept that the opponents who have battled SS in the scans you provided were outclassing SS and didn't even have h2h super speed or striking power comparable to Supes. In fact,the feats you posted on the early onset of you're reply are entirly invalidated since SS's"reaction/speed"never manifested into battle to the same degree it has when he travels or evades projectiles. Supes has a massive H2H speed advantage with superior MA talent and striking power....even if SS did have h2h super speed it isn't like Supes hasn't defended agaisnt it before http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg....on On that note are SS punches any faster then Doomsday because from the battles I've seen (Thor,Thanos,Champion,Drax) it doesnt seem that way http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
First let's clear somethings, while he was still beaten he did hold his own....energy abosptionhttp://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?...infight14ed.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?...infight26lm.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight37qf.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight48nc.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?i...infight93ak.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight108fk.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight110hh.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight128wo.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?...nfight133mw.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?i...nfight144tn.jpg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Surviving being thrown into a red sund
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Now his resistence to K-nitehttp://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp3ny3.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp4gb9.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?i...envssbp5mw9.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?...envssbp6rp7.jpg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Of couse that isn't to say that SS shrouding his body in K-nite/Red Sun radiation isn't effective..j ust that it might take more time to fully weakened supes then most people give credit for (especially if Amazo was stating he was hard to go down with red sun radiation). He has fought the eraicator near a red sun so it isn't like he become immobile instantly from its effects. If this allows Supes time to impose his superior h2h ability, SS will certainly not have a "easy"time ahead of him. On this note, even though SS can blast projectiles or even"red sun/k-nite" bolts at super speed,Supes has been shown to catch multiple bullets fired at him and even vibrate/phase past projectiles.http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanbulletdeflection.jpg
…if he’s try to get in close for a h2h blitz?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS basically what this all adds up to is the same basic argument we've always had....if SS blast away with k-nite bolts then supes will simple avoid it. If SS tries to "brawl"with supes then...well outside of shrouding himself with a k-nite/red sun aura he doesn't really measure up.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That’s because I’m not trying to make a case for Surfer to blitz Supes, just react to a blitz FROM Supes. Hence, movement/reflex feats are all that are needed because if he can move and react at super speed(which you now acknowledge), then he can move and react at super speed if Supes tries to blitz him. I’m not claiming that Surfer’s going, to pull a h2h punch blitz against Supes, I’m claiming that Surfer can react to and avoid a blitz FROM Supes and then blast the shit out of him.
Once again, you're assuming that because of his ability to move fast and react at super speed that he will somehow be able to react to a h2h bltz from supes....but what battle has SS ever been in that has him reacting in superspeed. You are once gain trying to link his navigation reflexes to his h2h defence...but has his travelling/navigation relfexes ever manifested in battle especially in regards to avoiding strikes from his opponent?
Again, unlike nvr I’m not try to use reflex feats to justify a blitz from Surfer, just defend against one from Supes. So if you’re going to claim that Supes can blitz Norrin successfully you have to show a quantified blitz from Supes at a speed greater than Norrin’s been shown he can react at.
Yet again, the grounds for SS defending a blitz from supes are paper thin. Unless you have a example of SS effortlessly defending a blitz from a opponent comparable to supes..then exactly what makes you believe he can react to a h2h blitz from him?
Now you’re try to use the absence of evidence as evidence of absence and that’s just bad logic. As for your scans, the first one doesn’t work and Surfer matches Supes’s feat in the second scan right here…
Against Hulk lol...next plz
Those links are all broken. And I’m not saying that Supes CAN’T hold his own in an in character fight, but you yourself just admitted that even though he holds his own against whatever it is you meant to post, he was BEATEN.
Just ingore it for now, im gonna get the scans in later. Although the point I was making is that it does take time to wear down Supes as proven by this scan http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33xs3.jpg This is after being attacked by k-nite/red solar energy
Only the first link works, the other two links “404”. And how is Supes going to dodge an omnidirectional blast of red sunlight similar to this…
Supes has vibrated past projectiles, oh and
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/omnidirectionalhv.jpg
His HV can attack the molecular structures of oppenents and is instant much like SS own blast..especially if decides to use this speed
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Superman/img015.jpg
QUOTE]And if Supes tries to get in close, Surfer will avoid him or shroud himself in red sun or k-nite and have the advantage. Eventually hits are going to be landed by both sides, and k-nite and red sun mean that Surfer’s hits are going to be more effective than vice versa. With every hit Supes will weaken and slow down more and more until Surfer finally delivers the coup de grace. [/B][/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
It's doubtful it will be a even exchange since Supes has already parried super speed punches
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
Supes "blocking"if often times overlooked...which is probably due to him always being on the offense.[
Originally posted by Avlon
What's funny is that some of Supes speed feats are AFTER being exposed to kryptonite... such as the case with the Doomsday fight and the Mongul one. LOL
You know there was this one feat I remember seeing...and I think it was actually here on KMC a little while ago. Anyhow it had Supes fighting at different parts of the globe..it was sheer combat speed that had him moving so fast which was the most impressive thing. I remember there were 4 panels showing the fight and at different regions....cant seem to find it anywhere though.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Once again, you're assuming that because of his ability to move fast and react at super speed that he will somehow be able to react to a h2h bltz from supes....but what battle has SS ever been in that has him reacting in super speed.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
You are once gain trying to link his navigation reflexes to his h2h defence...but has his travelling/navigation relfexes ever manifested in battle especially in regards to avoiding strikes from his opponent?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Yet again, the grounds for SS defending a blitz from supes are paper thin. Unless you have a example of SS effortlessly defending a blitz from a opponent comparable to supes..then exactly what makes you believe he can react to a h2h blitz from him?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Against Hulk lol...next plz
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Just ingore it for now, im gonna get the scans in later. Although the point I was making is that it does take time to wear down Supes as proven by this scan http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33xs3.jpg This is after being attacked by k-nite/red solar energy
And you didn't address the scans you claimed featured a red sun. What issue was it in?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes has vibrated past projectiles, oh andhttp://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/omnidirectionalhv.jpg
Being able to vibrate through solid matter and being able to vibrate to avoid light are two entirely different things because...
A. His molecules are still present on the physical plane when he's vibrating.
B. Light travels faster than most projectiles so just because he has sufficient reflexes to respond to a projectile by vibrating to intangibility doesn't mean that he'll be able to respond to an omnidirectional blast of light. ESPECIALLY if he'at point blank range because he's trying to pull of a speedblitz.
And aside from both of those things, Surfer's blasts have proven capable of tagging intangible beings before....
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer2.jpg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
His HV can attack the molecular structures of oppenents and is instant much like SS own blast..especially if decides to use this speedhttp://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/Superman/img015.jpg
Originally posted by The Great Galen
It's doubtful it will be a even exchange since Supes has already parried super speed puncheshttp://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
Defensive
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1355/annihilationsilversurfexe9.jpg
And if Supes trues to go intangible and vibrate through Surfer's force field then he's not going to be solid enough to make physical contact with Surfer anyway.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes "blocking"if often times overlooked...which is probably due to him always being on the offense.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
You know there was this one feat I remember seeing...and I think it was actually here on KMC a little while ago. Anyhow it had Supes fighting at different parts of the globe..it was sheer combat speed that had him moving so fast which was the most impressive thing. I remember there were 4 panels showing the fight and at different regions....cant seem to find it anywhere though.
It's in the respect thread somewhere as a Link.
Here's something though. Battling with MA fast enough to cause sonic booms.
And of course performing to separate actions in 2 seperate cities live on tv at the same time...
How in the hell is anyone using Ganymede as a gage for Surfer reacting to Superspeed? We dont' know how fast she can move. And she for sure as hell wasn't hitting anywhere near as hard As superman would. So of course he could react to her. I can react to a bee stinging me over and over alot easier than I can react to a big Dog biting me at the same rate.
Originally posted by fangirl101
How in the hell is anyone using Ganymede as a gage for Surfer reacting to Superspeed? We dont' know how fast she can move. And she for sure as hell wasn't hitting anywhere near as hard As superman would. So of course he could react to her. I can react to a bee stinging me over and over alot easier than I can react to a big Dog biting me at the same rate.
Its not like we have a quantifiable speed blitz from superman anyway. 🙄
Originally posted by fangirl101Whats the fastest we have seen Superman react at in the middle of a fight?
How in the hell is anyone using Ganymede as a gage for Surfer reacting to Superspeed? We dont' know how fast she can move. And she for sure as hell wasn't hitting anywhere near as hard As superman would. So of course he could react to her. I can react to a bee stinging me over and over alot easier than I can react to a big Dog biting me at the same rate.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Its not like we have a quantifiable speed blitz from superman anyway. 🙄
