Fate of the Jedi Series (Post-LOTF)

eh,i won't lie, actually am one of the few who really enjoyed LOTF, though i thought they had one major problem: At any time, Luke could have gone and killed Jacen, and ended all the chaos. That's made abundantly clear, instead, he just doesn't, and so the war isn't going to end.... The book could have been wrapped up in the 5th or 6th book ( i don't remember) when luke figured out what jacen was, (a sith) and went and killed him... instead it seemed to drag out pointlessly with the point always in the back of our minds that luke would go end it if it ever REALLY got out of hand.

Originally posted by truejedi
eh,i won't lie, actually am one of the few who really enjoyed LOTF, though i thought they had one major problem: At any time, Luke could have gone and killed Jacen, and ended all the chaos. That's made abundantly clear, instead, he just doesn't, and so the war isn't going to end.... The book could have been wrapped up in the 5th or 6th book ( i don't remember) when luke figured out what jacen was, (a sith) and went and killed him... instead it seemed to drag out pointlessly with the point always in the back of our minds that luke would go end it if it ever REALLY got out of hand.

That's because Luke is one of those annoying heroes bound by the black and white BS of the Force.

Originally posted by truejedi
eh,i won't lie, actually am one of the few who really enjoyed LOTF, though i thought they had one major problem: At any time, Luke could have gone and killed Jacen, and ended all the chaos. That's made abundantly clear, instead, he just doesn't, and so the war isn't going to end.... The book could have been wrapped up in the 5th or 6th book ( i don't remember) when luke figured out what jacen was, (a sith) and went and killed him... instead it seemed to drag out pointlessly with the point always in the back of our minds that luke would go end it if it ever REALLY got out of hand.

Funny how PIS is a very plausible concept to you when it pertains to Luke Skywalker. 🙄

the galaxy wasn't in that much danger and we all knew it. every single confrontation between luke and jacen ended up with jacen injured and humiliated. If instead, the confrontations between luke and jacen had ended in draws, you would have a point, but considering we actually have fights between jacen and luke that jacen loses, and that one extremely humiliating scene between them where Jacen never gets out of his chair, i would say it wouldn't be considered PIS to call Luke > Jacen. All sources back it up, AND it is clearly described in book after book.

If Jacen made luke retreat over and over, and i argued that we all knew Luke was still > than jacen even though Luke was losing, because of other sources, THEN I would have indeed used PIS, which is, lol against the rules.... ( i never meant to argue for a new rule! 😠 )

Christ, you have no understanding of PIS, and it's very easy. Jacen Solo getting schooled by Luke Skywalker multiple times and the flimsy excuse he had for not murdering Jacen is plot induced stupidity. They couldn't have Skywalker murdering Jacen since they had one more book to fill and the excuse was weak. It's PIS.

actually.... wouldn't acting as though i had NO IDEA why luke didn't kill jacen, (like i did in my original post) be the opposite of using PIS?

Originally posted by truejedi
actually.... wouldn't acting as though i had NO IDEA why luke didn't kill jacen, (like i did in my original post) be the opposite of using PIS?

I'm beginning to think that you're hopeless.

The situation you described earlier in your frustration is PIS. Luke Skywalker manhandling Jacen on his own Destroyer and then butchering Lumiya... yet... he doesn't want to finish the job because it might send him to the dark side? Flimsy, flimsy excuse. Used as a means to keep Skywalker from hunting him down (all the while writing him as an advocate of Caedus's assassination) so that the plot won't abruptly end with the villain's death.

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I suggest you get it tattooed to a random appendage.

lol, no, i KNOW that it COULD BE explained by that. Thats what you are saying, but i DIDN'T originally explain it by that by acting like i didn't know why. Yeah, i agree, of course it could be explained a plot-ploy, and then they write 3 more books, and surely that WAS the explanation.

I thought you were saying i had described it as PIS. when, i had offered NO explanation, much less PIS.

Personally, I think they could have told the story of LOTF in less books.

Originally posted by truejedi
lol, no, i KNOW that it COULD BE explained by that. Thats what you are saying, but i DIDN'T originally explain it by that by acting like i didn't know why. Yeah, i agree, of course it could be explained a plot-ploy, and then they write 3 more books, and surely that WAS the explanation.

I thought you were saying i had described it as PIS. when, i had offered NO explanation, much less PIS.

And yet the idea of the Empire's highly trained shocktroops not hitting a neophyte, a politician, and Han Solo is a sign of their general incompetence?

See, that's the problem I have. You're willing to entertain the idea of PIS for Luke Skywalker but not for stormtroopers. And it baffles me as to why. Since they are both clearly PIS.

Edit: The nine book series is a dumb idea. We need more stand alones or trilogies.

PIS doesn't apply.

Originally posted by Captain REX
PIS doesn't apply.

Yes it does.

are you saying, i should assume that because Luke never went and defeated Jacen, that he COULDN'T have?

From your examples, you were saying that something that DID happen, SHOULDN'T have happened. (Ewoks win) Therefore, contradicting an actual event, and putting an intepretation above a happening.

I'm not arguing that something that DID happen shouldn't have happened, i'm arguing something that DIDN'T happen, could have. It contradicts nothing. I wouldn't call that entertaining PIS, its USING canon to form an opinion about something that NEVER happened in-universe.

If Luke and Jacen had fought, and Jacen won, but every other evidence from all the other books backed up that luke was better, i would be wrong to try to claim that Luke's loss was a fluke. But that never happened. (which is equivalent to you calling the GE'S loss to the Rebel alliance a fluke)

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Omg.

Like, seriously. OH EM GEE.

Plot induced stupidity is just that. Stupidity that derives from the demands of the plot. Luke Skywalker > Darth Caedus. This is proven. Darth Caedus murdered Luke Skywalker's wife. This is proven. Luke Skywalker murdered his former lover out of vengeance when he wrongfully assumed she was responsible for his wife's death. This is proven. Luke Skywalker attacked Caedus without provocation and went for the kill. This is proven. At the end, Luke Skywalker didn't want to attack Caedus because of a stupid excuse. Why? Because the authors couldn't have him running off and butchering him.

PLOT. INDUCED. STUPIDITY.

The same thing as highly trained shocktroops being conveniently poor shots when the lives of the three intrepid heroes are on the line.

but if caedus DOMINATED luke in a one-on-one duel, Killed him without being injured, we would have to re-think the idea that Luke > caedus! We could in no way throw out the duel as an aberration. It would be canon fact. If caedus dispatched luke with ease, with no outside help, or no special circumstances, then we on this forum would have to put Caedus above luke in combat. We would hate it, we would quit star wars, but to be accurate it would have to be done. We couldn't throw it out simply because it "shouldn't have happened"

Originally posted by truejedi
but if caedus DOMINATED luke in a one-on-one duel, Killed him without being injured, we would have to re-think the idea that Luke > caedus! We could in no way throw out the duel as an aberration. It would be canon fact. If caedus dispatched luke with ease, with no outside help, or no special circumstances, then we on this forum would have to put Caedus above luke in combat. We would hate it, we would quit star wars, but to be accurate it would have to be done. We couldn't throw it out simply because it "shouldn't have happened"

We're done.

happily i will take the last word. and go on about my very small life with this: 😄

Originally posted by truejedi
happily i will take the last word. and go on about my very small life with this: 😄

You're on ignore.

And as for the thread, these nine novel series need to go. Stick with stand alone or trilogies.

once again, in case anybody failed to notice, a sure way to piss gideon off to unreasonable end is to simply disagree with him...

I was joking, you moron.