how powerful was darth maul with the force.

i just finished reading darth maul novels. Although darth maul was one of the skilled duliest/martial artist in the star wars universe in his book he was said to be very strong in the force and wizard with the force.
How powerful do you think he is with force what dose it mean he was a wizard with the force.

Extremely powerful. He just preferred more martial skill

I wouldn't go so far as to say "extremely powerful" when you take all the true greats into consideration. The Ultimate Visual Guide states that Darth Maul's knowledge of the dark side was "far greater" than the accomplished and deadly Nightsister Mighella, who was capable of summoning Force lightning. While he has never demonstrated the ability to summon Force lightning, I believe that that statement is an indicator that he can at any time he chooses. Especially when one considers that any novice or neophyte seems capable of wielding it on a basic level, why can't one of the "highest trained" and "most dangerous" Sith Lords in history do it?

That said, as Lightsnake told you, Maul styled himself a warrior first and was a much more accomplished combatant than he was a magus. Given his preference, I doubt he would be able to stand up next to, say, the second of the Emperor's doomed apprentices, Count Dooku.

Meh, I think Darth Maul would trash Count Dooku.

Darth Maul is overrated.

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Maul is clearly overrated, the dude has all those Force strength and shit, but we never see him get laid. Yea, that's right.

Maul was great with the force but preferred to use his great martial arts skills as well as his saberstaff

Well he was powerful enough to get Sidious's attention.

Which means what?

Originally posted by Gideon
Which means what?

That the 'most powerful Sith lord' (quote from just about every book with Sidious in it) thought that he was sufficiently strong with the force to accomplish some of his goals. (Enforcer until he got the Chosen One)

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That the 'most powerful Sith lord' (quote from just about every book with Sidious in it) thought that he was sufficiently strong with the force to accomplish some of his goals. (Enforcer until he got the Chosen One)

I wish people would stop spreading this misinformation. Sidious chose Maul as his apprentice and successor. The end. He doesn't even know about "The Chosen One" until the end of The Phantom Menace and anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

And considering Maul was 22 years old and doing what he did...I don't know of anyone else that age and not named Skywalker who was that powerful.

Sidious regarded Maul as nothing more than a "hand". Even though Sidious may not of knew the existence of the chosen, he still planned to replace Maul with a more powerful apprentice.

Originally posted by Gideon
Which means what?

Sidious usually looked for the best he could get. We know Sidious did not choose Maul because of his superior lightsaber skills, because he had no training at the time Sidious found him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I wish people would stop spreading this misinformation.

When the 'people' in question are LFL appointed and licensed authors, your wish falls on deaf ears.

Sidious chose Maul as his apprentice and successor.

The New Essential Chronology, The Ultimate Visual Guide, The Complete Visual Dictionary, and The Essential Guide to the Force all disagree. Darth Maul was specifically trained to not replace his master and Sidious regarded him as "a tool who would obey his every command."

Not successor material.

The end.

It's not.

He doesn't even know about "The Chosen One" until the end of The Phantom Menace and anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

Daniel Wallace disagrees.

And considering Maul was 22 years old and doing what he did...I don't know of anyone else that age and not named Skywalker who was that powerful.

He was trained to be a l33t swordsman from infancy. That says nothing about his Force aptitude.

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Originally posted by Sidious 66
Sidious usually looked for the best he could get. We know Sidious did not choose Maul because of his superior lightsaber skills, because he had no training at the time Sidious found him.

He was looking for a sufficiently powerful enforcer and tool who would obey his every order. Not a Skywalker-class replacement. And it's not as though he had the whole galaxy to select from: the Jedi Order and various other Force using cults were also training children.

Still he was looking for someone powerful enough to get the job done. He wanted a jedi killer, so he needed someone pretty strong in the force.

No one said that he wasn't strong. But any of the upper tier would kick the dogshit out of him.

I agree. That is why i only said strong enough to get Sidious's attention.

Originally posted by Gideon
The New Essential Chronology, The Ultimate Visual Guide, The Complete Visual Dictionary, and The Essential Guide to the Force all disagree. Darth Maul was specifically trained to not replace his master and Sidious regarded him as "a tool who would obey his every command."

Not successor material.

His final test to becoming a Sith Lord was that he had want to kill his master (Sidious) - which he accomplishes. What specifically states that he was not going to be his successor? I have NEC and JvS.

Originally posted by Enyalus
His final test to becoming a Sith Lord was that he had want to kill his master (Sidious) - which he accomplishes.

From the Ultimate Visual Guide, page 34.

"Unlike previous Sith apprentices, Maul has no ambition to overthrow his Master."

"Darth Sidious treats Darth Maul as neither friend nor accomplice, but a tool who will obey his every order."

Maul, in Shadow Hunter, muses that if Darth Sidious ordered Maul to kill himself, he'd do it.

What specifically states that he was not going to be his successor? I have NEC and JvS.

tNEC says that Maul was merely a temporary assassin until Sidious could acquire Skywalker. JvS says that Palpatine gave Maul dreams of razing the Jedi Temple, knowing full well that it would never happen, and forsaw his death at Naboo but didn't inform Maul, knowing that he'd acquire a stronger apprentice.

"Blinded by pride, Dooku has failed to grasp that, like Darth Maul before him, he is little more than a placeholder for the apprentice Sidious has sought from the beginning: Skywalker himself."

-- Complete Visual Guide, page 139.