Mortal Kombat vs. Soul Calibur

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
A rocket launcher can level a building, but would still be cut in half by a lightsaber.

I don't understand your point.

Wow.

Prove it, without game mechanics.

Really, you mean like how him simply looking at Admiral Ozzel caused the Admrial to fall to his knees and die?

And that is just cutting in half the actual metal rocket, not the actual explosive blast of the rocket. For instant, an AT-ST(t3h small walkers) cannot be blocked by a normal lightsaber wielder(notice I said normal, Luke and the other uberzor Jedi and Sith are not normal, and Luke by that point was well above Vader I believe).

2. Wow indeed.

3. I would, but since I already said team SC would win, I feel no real need for proving my opposition's side's points...Though why would he not? All he is doing is turning into lightning.

4. When? And this is SC Vader, NOT movie or EU Vader, as I stressed a few posts ago.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
The clash between SE and SC destroyed all of Ostrechenberg. Actually, it is a bit modest to call it a mere manor. It is MUCH bigger. It was NM's fortress in SC1 in fact.

And my point is that the destructive power doesn't really matter. Those gay ass Harry Potter wands can blow shit up and do all sorts of coolio magical crap, but they still get broken in half by fatass niggas sitting on them.

For instant, an AT-ST(t3h small walkers) cannot be blocked by a normal lightsaber wielder(notice I said normal, Luke and the other uberzor Jedi and Sith are not normal, and Luke by that point was well above Vader I believe).

No, it can. The problem is that the beam width of an AT-ST and AT-At are much larger than the width of the blade... so even if you raise up your lightsaber the part of the beam that's wider will still hit you.

Lightning does the same thing. The trick is using the force to condence the lightning and focus it into the blade only; that's what Luke did to the AT-AT. Has nothing to do with the blade.

Though why would he not? All he is doing is turning into lightning.

Because it's an abiltiy and abilities need to be casted. If it was instant he'd just blitz everyone, which he doesn't and can't. Taven has no speed feats to his name but defeated Raiden.

4. When? And this is SC Vader, NOT movie or EU Vader, as I stressed a few posts ago.

Using gameplay mechanics is also against the rules. So anything he does in gameplay is to be disregarded.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And my point is that the destructive power doesn't really matter. Those gay ass Harry Potter wands can blow shit up and do all sorts of coolio magical crap, but they still get broken in half by fatass niggas sitting on them.

No, it can. The problem is that the beam width of an AT-ST and AT-At are much larger than the width of the blade... so even if you raise up your lightsaber the part of the beam that's wider will still hit you.

Lightning does the same thing. The trick is using the force to condence the lightning and focus it into the blade only; that's what Luke did to the AT-AT. Has nothing to do with the blade.

Because it's an abiltiy and abilities need to be casted. If it was instant he'd just blitz everyone, which he doesn't and can't. Taven has no speed feats to his name but defeated Raiden.

Using gameplay mechanics is also against the rules. So anything he does in gameplay is to be disregarded.

2. Oh. Well screw you.

3. Funny, cause I recall Raiden being one of the single strongest in MK. Taven has no feats, but has victories against powerful characters, but we must assume both characters are weak? Fail logic is fail. A character without feats beating a character with feats means they are at least around said character's level. And...I never said he can be lightning indefinately.

4. So going by that, Vader doesn't actually exist in this fight? 😐

Cause if you take out gameplay, he has near nothing in SC. 😐

Like most SC characters unfortunately.

raiden and shinok's private war nearly blew up the earth..it wiped out all but one of the saurosians (reptile's species)..raiden even as a mortal is a power beyond the rest of his team..

scorp punched a hole through onaga, who tanked raiden's temple destroying blast, which "had little effect" on him
the rest of team mk however is just dead weight 😬

Originally posted by MadMel
raiden and shinok's private war nearly blew up the earth..it wiped out all but one of the saurosians (reptile's species)..raiden even as a mortal is a power beyond the rest of his team..

scorp punched a hole through onaga, who tanked raiden's temple destroying blast, which "had little effect" on him
the rest of team mk however is just dead weight 😬

The Raiden Kamikaze Blast was not equal to the clash between an incomplete SE and SC.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well, that isn't really Raiden's feat, it is him and Shinnok plus their armie's feat.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
The Raiden Kamikaze Blast was not equal to the clash between an incomplete SE and SC.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. ...HP wands are literally magic sticks. And they do things like that through some magic spell, oh and btw, being the dick I am I know this shit, the wands by themselves can't blow up SHIT, all they do is focus the Wizard's personal magic power so it can be controlled more easily. HP wands don't do shit, the Wizard does. SC and SE's physical clash did that.

You can prove that no magic was being used in the clash? They are magical weapons...

3. Funny, cause I recall Raiden being one of the single strongest in MK. Taven has no feats, but has victories against powerful characters, but we must assume both characters are weak? Fail logic is fail. A character without feats beating a character with feats means they are at least around said character's level.

Or that maybe Raiden being one of the most powerful doesn't mean much considering 99% of MK'sfighters are canon fodder.

You and I both know MK is at the bottom of the barrel in fighting games... the majority of them are slow fools.

4. So going by that, Vader doesn't actually exist in this fight? 😐

Cause if you take out gameplay, he has near nothing in SC. 😐

Yeah, actually. 😐

There's a reason why the characetrs have to originate from video games. Thus, Vader being this match actually makes this match illegal.

Like most SC characters unfortunately.

I don't like debating about SC characters.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
You and I both know MK is at the bottom of the barrel in fighting games... the majority of them are slow fools.

Alot of fighting game characters from other series are slow.

And also, I would say that MK wins this until I get some good feats on Siegfried and Nightmare. Having Scorpion and Sub-Zero says it all.

Not canonically, no they aren't. And thsoe that are would lsoe too, so it's a moot point.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I don't like debating about SC characters.

Then you've picked a real bad match to jump into.

No shit. 😐

Vader's honor was being contested, though. So I ahd to jump in.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Not canonically, no they aren't. And thsoe that are would lsoe too, so it's a moot point.

Well so far, I've not seen anything that shows otherwise. And yeah, they would win. I don't see why they wouldn't.

Guys I just said that Vader was replaced by Starkiller. I know, my bad that I placed Vader in here since he ain't originated from games but who wouldn't put vader in a SC vs. thread? Anyways, yeah Starkiller takes Vader's place.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
You can prove that no magic was being used in the clash? They are magical weapons...

Or that maybe Raiden being one of the most powerful doesn't mean much considering 99% of MK'sfighters are canon fodder.

You and I both know MK is at the bottom of the barrel in fighting games... the majority of them are slow fools.

Yeah, actually. 😐

There's a reason why the characetrs have to originate from video games. Thus, Vader being this match actually makes this match illegal.

I don't like debating about SC characters.

2. True, MK is the weakest fighting game series I know of(Darkstalkers being the undisputed strongest). And they are slow. But, Raiden is the perfect character to beat Vader, able to form into lightning and spam fire it.

3. Yay. Yeah it is. Starkiller is good in the match though, he originated from a videogame(kinda).

4. It's cause the majority have little to no feats.

Originally posted by SmashBro
Well so far, I've not seen anything that shows otherwise. And yeah, they would win. I don't see why they wouldn't.

YouTube video

The person you should be paying attention to is Nightmare, the one with the big demon arm and the huge sword, wearing blue armor.

He did a blast that was about as big as Raiden's suicide blast, without killing himself.

Also, NM was INCREDIBLY weakened in that vid, he didn't have a real host body, he didn't even have his powerful demonic soul eating weapon, Soul Edge.

Yet he still treks entire continents and solos armies on a daily basis.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. True, MK is the weakest fighting game series I know of(Darkstalkers being the undisputed strongest). And they are slow. But, Raiden is the perfect character to beat Vader, able to form into lightning and spam fire it.

"Weakest"? With the crazy stuff MK's got, I wouldn't dare place them as the "weakest" series. Not even close.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well lemme put it this way...

The person you should be paying attention to is Nightmare, the one with the big demon arm and the huge sword, wearing blue armor.

I know who Nightmare is.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He did a blast that was about as big as Raiden's suicide blast, without killing himself.

Except Raiden didn't actually die.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Also, NM was INCREDIBLY weakened in that vid, he didn't have a real host body, he didn't even have his powerful demonic soul eating weapon, Soul Edge.

Yet he still treks entire continents and solos armies on a daily basis.

Then I guess this might be a draw? If each side's strongest feats are similar, then it's likely a draw.

Originally posted by SmashBro
"Weakest"? With the crazy stuff MK's got, I wouldn't dare place them as the "weakest" series. Not even close.

I know who Nightmare is.

Except Raiden didn't actually die.

Then I guess this might be a draw? If each side's strongest feats are similar, then it's likely a draw.

2. K.

3. K. Lemme rephrase this. It turned him evil. Yeah.

4. ...NM did that while weakened, and didn't have to put his all in the attack, their feats are greater. Hell, when NM and Siegfried clashed blades, it destroyed the entire castle they were in, warped Nightmare and every shard of SE in the world to another dimension and gave NM a new body, and Siegfried was eviscerated by the attack, but healed back to full health via Soul Calibur, he has a healing factor now.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Sure they are. SF, Tekken, DOA, they are overall superior. There are characters in Darkstalkers who would solo the entire MK series with one attack.

2. K.

3. K. Lemme rephrase this. It turned him evil. Yeah.

4. ...NM did that while weakened, and didn't have to put his all in the attack, their feats are greater. Hell, when NM and Siegfried clashed blades, it destroyed the entire castle they were in, warped Nightmare and every shard of SE in the world to another dimension and gave NM a new body, and Siegfried was eviscerated by the attack, but healed back to full health via Soul Calibur, he has a healing factor now.

1. If you wanna go by abilties, MK>them (at least SF and Tekken, I don't keep up with DOA's storyline that much). Now don't underestimate MK now. They're not pushovers. However, I'm pretty sure everyone will agree that Darkstalkers will beat them no sweat. I mean, heck, they got freaken Galact...err, Pyron.

3. It didn't do that either. He turned evil on his own. 🙂

4. Raiden was weaker too. He just got beaten by Shang Tsung and Quan Chi and still managed to pull off the explosion. And also, as already mentioned, Raiden's fight with Shinnok nearly destroyed Earth.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. If you wanna go by abilties, MK>them (at least SF and Tekken, I don't keep up with DOA's storyline that much). Now don't underestimate MK now. They're not pushovers. However, I'm pretty sure everyone will agree that Darkstalkers will beat them no sweat. I mean, heck, they got freaken Galact...err, Pyron.

3. It didn't do that either. He turned evil on his own. 🙂

4. Raiden was weaker too. He just got beaten by Shang Tsung and Quan Chi and still managed to pull off the explosion. And also, as already mentioned, Raiden's fight with Shinnok nearly destroyed Earth.

3. Then where the fvck did Raiden go when he blew himself up? So he just turned evil for no reason? Granted, I am no MK historian, what with MK's plot being, you know, not that great.

4. Raiden just got knocked out, then got back up. And blew himself up. Nightmare, does not have Soul Edge, and does not have a body, yet he just soloed an army, and then did a blast comparable to Raiden's, and it did not affect him negatively at all. NM's feat is far superior.

Raiden and Shinnok's war did, a war with, you know, armies and stuff. And not blew up Earth. Destroyed, as in, it nearly wiped out all the people.

And...NM has caused planetary destruction/corruption on his own. See "Evil Seed."

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. No it isn't, if we go by overall powers, strength, speed, skill, durability, and power, they are far above MK(especially in speed). As far as DOA goes, shit, frickin Ryu Hayabusa alone could take Raiden and pwn him in the ass rather handily, as he could anyone else in MK.

3. Then where the fvck did Raiden go when he blew himself up? So he just turned evil for no reason? Granted, I am no MK historian, what with MK's plot being, you know, not that great.

4. Raiden just got knocked out, then got back up. And blew himself up. Nightmare, does not have Soul Edge, and does not have a body, yet he just soloed an army, and then did a blast comparable to Raiden's, and it did not affect him negatively at all. NM's feat is far superior.

Raiden and Shinnok's war did, a war with, you know, armies and stuff. And not blew up Earth. Destroyed, as in, it nearly wiped out all the people.

And...NM has caused planetary destruction/corruption on his own. See "Evil Seed."

1. Far above MK? I wouldn't say that about SF or Tekken. And as you said, overall power, that's basically the same thing as abilities, in which MK has over many of them. And I admit, they don't have any super speed feats, unless you wanna go by the movesets but then again, SF and Tekken hardly have any speed feats either. And I guess going by that, Hayabusa can do the same thing to SF and Tekken as well, huh?

3. MK's plot is not that bad. It's known to have a good storyline. They did kind of screw it up in MKA but it's not that hard to follow. Raiden got mad on his own. The explosion got no effect on his personality, if that's what you're thinking.

4. You keep saying the blast was just as big as Raiden's blast and with that being said, they're pretty even. It doesn't who blew himself up.

Where did you come up with the "armies" and stuff?

Also, can you direct me to that? The "Evil Seed" thing?