Who Won Tuesday's Presidential Debate?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed, but not on the same levels. In Rob's defense, I don't think he is a closed minded straight ticket democrat. In fact, he seems closer to being a swing voter. Just this election, myself and a few others see McCain as a war mongering, money spending, lying, grouchy, ****tard.

That doesn't change the fact that Obama has his own faults, though. I would rather tolerate Obama as my president than McCain. I'm tired of Bush politics and I find myself disagreeing with the few and far between McCain campaign talking points.

Also, though doth protest neutrality too much. Maybe you're wearing some glasses too?

Maybe? I dunno I just don't see McCain as any of that. At least not to the degrees you do. I also think it is really unfair to compare McCain to Bush....just as it is unfair to judge Obama because of his ties to certain people..

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Maybe?

That's why it wasn't a statement. It was more of a question to inflect introspection on your part. I have no idea what thoughts are flying through your head, for the most part, so I left it as a question.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
I dunno I just don't see McCain as any of that.

It's possible that you've become conditioned to expect certain things from your government. You have experienced the last eight years of your most politically impressionable portions of your life under bush doctrine. Also, those around you could also have a heavy influence on your political perspectives.

When there's plenty of evidence that shows McCain deliberately lying to just distance himself from Bush, coupled with his pleas and "logic" to align TV viewers to align themselves with Bush, it's very difficult to see him as anything but a liar and a deceiver.

I expect politicians to lie, but not so obviously. Also, he's an underhanded a**hole. You saw the type of shit he was trying to pull in the debates on Tuesday. That was out an out childish. We all know that Obama's tax plan would NOT increase taxes for 50% of small businesses. A simple google search nets us contrary. Did he even prepare? Also, Obama never said he wanted to invade or attack Afghanistan.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
At least not to the degrees you do. I also think it is really unfair to compare McCain to Bush....just as it is unfair to judge Obama because of his ties to certain people..

Wrong. That comparison is a logical fallacy. Since when did McCain voting in alignment with Bush 95% of the time equate to being on the same board who condoned shitty things?

BTW, there's some nice seedy ties on McCain's side, as well.

You wouldn't say.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-most-clearly-insane-public-figures-endorsing-mccain/