Originally posted by jinzin
No they didn't... As in... EVER...wasn't the same Sabretooth, it was before he had any powers and AFTER Black Cat got hers.
Yes, they did. Look at the spectacular spider-man issue where Black Cat and Puma deal with Rhino, she has a flashback where she remembers fighting Sabretooth. Its the standard Sabretooth.
Originally posted by namorsubby
😆strength feats that surpass spidey's? speed feats?
spidey's stronger and faster and has overall better feats.
he doesn't die........in fact, he wins.
Spiderman may have been stronger, but since his downgrade I don't think he is anymore.
Speed feats: Speedblitzed Daredevil. Speedblitzed Wolverine. Speedblitzed Spiderman. 😐
If the objective of the fight is to see who can lose the most blood first then yes, Spiderman "wins"...
Originally posted by jinzinlol......witty........still doesn't explain why sabes should run off with this victory. spidey is stronger and faster and has better........well, i've already been over this.
Spiderman may have been stronger, but since his downgrade I don't think he is anymore.Speed feats: Speedblitzed Daredevil. Speedblitzed Wolverine. Speedblitzed Spiderman. 😐
If the objective of the fight is to see who can lose the most blood first then yes, Spiderman "wins"...
"speedblitzed spider-man" LMAO 😆 😱
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didn't he lose to daredevil?
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol......witty........still doesn't explain why sabes should run off with this victory. spidey is stronger and faster and has better........well, i've already been over this."speedblitzed spider-man" LMAO 😆 😱
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didn't he lose to daredevil?
Well I guess that answers my question as to whether or not you actually read comics you like to argue about.
No he didn't lose to Daredevil, he fought him to a point that Daredevil became too injured to follow Sabretooth and Sabretooth was too uninterested to keep fighting. This was Sabretooth before several upgrades in strength, speed, healing and fighting ability.
What's there to explain here?
Spiderman would get creamed.
Spiderman only has punches and webbing to rely on for a win. Sabretooth is strong enough to break some webbing and can use his claws to shred through it if it stacks up. His claws being at his finger tips make it very hard for Spiderman to put him in an uncomprimising position. If Spiderman webs him to something, he has the strength to easily break it down.
Concerning Peter's punches, the guy has practically no formal training so he can't even get the best out of his punches, given that most of his punching comes from airborne positions he's robbed of grounded leverage, and kenetic energy even moreso. He probably only punches with 5 to 7 tons of force even though he's a 10-15 tonner.
But hell, even if he punched with 30 tons of force it wouldn't matter....
Sabretooth's natural durability is enough to take full blows from characters in the 60 to 100+ class range with nothing but a smile on his face.
Spiderman has exhausted himself trying to punch away at Wolverine with virtually no effect whatsoever. Now he's going to be hitting someone with a faster healing factor and a higher level of natural durability ("Tendons are like steel cables"😉. Spiderman can't win through punches, he likely can't win through webbing..... so... he can't win.
Sabretooth on the other hand has a considerably better fighting ability than Spiderman, he hits with considerably more force than his lifting ability allows (Ex:KOing Rogue in 3 blows), and his speed is either equivolent or superior to Spidermans.
Yes, he's speedblitzed Spiderman, attacking Spidey and Punisher too fast for either man to react to then immediately turning around and catching Spiderman by the throat holding him at his mercy til Punisher saved him.
In another encounter Spiderman had Sabretooth completely engulfed in webbing only to have Sabretooth rip out of it and gut Spiderman before Wolverine could come to his aid.
This was definitely before his Weapon x upgrades and possibly before even his Death Hunt upgrades.
It's understandible considering that he's faster than Logan, and Logan made Spiderman second guess his own speed as to who was faster.
And his claws all basically sum this up to mean that it won't take much more than one or several hits to end the fight as a win for Sabretooth.
As Srank stated, Spiderman can't hope to compete with Creed in "anything even resembling a physical fight"....
Originally posted by jinzin
Well I guess that answers my question as to whether or not you actually read comics you like to argue about.No he didn't lose to Daredevil, he fought him to a point that Daredevil became too injured to follow Sabretooth and Sabretooth was too uninterested to keep fighting. This was Sabretooth before several upgrades in strength, speed, healing and fighting ability.
What's there to explain here?
Spiderman would get creamed.Spiderman only has punches and webbing to rely on for a win. Sabretooth is strong enough to break some webbing and can use his claws to shred through it if it stacks up. His claws being at his finger tips make it very hard for Spiderman to put him in an uncomprimising position. If Spiderman webs him to something, he has the strength to easily break it down.
Concerning Peter's punches, the guy has practically no formal training so he can't even get the best out of his punches, given that most of his punching comes from airborne positions he's robbed of grounded leverage, and kenetic energy even moreso. He probably only punches with 5 to 7 tons of force even though he's a 10-15 tonner.
But hell, even if he punched with 30 tons of force it wouldn't matter....
Sabretooth's natural durability is enough to take full blows from characters in the 60 to 100+ class range with nothing but a smile on his face.
Spiderman has exhausted himself trying to punch away at Wolverine with virtually no effect whatsoever. Now he's going to be hitting someone with a faster healing factor and a higher level of natural durability ("Tendons are like steel cables"😉. Spiderman can't win through punches, he likely can't win through webbing..... so... he can't win.Sabretooth on the other hand has a considerably better fighting ability than Spiderman, he hits with considerably more force than his lifting ability allows (Ex:KOing Rogue in 3 blows), and his speed is either equivolent or superior to Spidermans.
Yes, he's speedblitzed Spiderman, attacking Spidey and Punisher too fast for either man to react to then immediately turning around and catching Spiderman by the throat holding him at his mercy til Punisher saved him.
In another encounter Spiderman had Sabretooth completely engulfed in webbing only to have Sabretooth rip out of it and gut Spiderman before Wolverine could come to his aid.
This was definitely before his Weapon x upgrades and possibly before even his Death Hunt upgrades.
It's understandible considering that he's faster than Logan, and Logan made Spiderman second guess his own speed as to who was faster.
And his claws all basically sum this up to mean that it won't take much more than one or several hits to end the fight as a win for Sabretooth.
As Srank stated, Spiderman can't hope to compete with Creed in "anything even resembling a physical fight"....
great post and namor never know what he's talking about when it comes to wolverine and sabertooth.
Originally posted by namorsubby
😆strength feats that surpass spidey's? speed feats?
spidey's stronger and faster and has overall better feats.
he doesn't die........in fact, he wins.
He did speed blitz spiderman, twice and again, after his upgrade during weapon x, I think his strength increased to the 15 ton range.
It dont matter since spiderman has no way of beating this character. This fight would be something like the way black tarantula treated spiderman but it would be much worse.
Originally posted by jinzin
Well I guess that answers my question as to whether or not you actually read comics you like to argue about.No he didn't lose to Daredevil, he fought him to a point that Daredevil became too injured to follow Sabretooth and Sabretooth was too uninterested to keep fighting. This was Sabretooth before several upgrades in strength, speed, healing and fighting ability.
What's there to explain here?
Spiderman would get creamed.Spiderman only has punches and webbing to rely on for a win. Sabretooth is strong enough to break some webbing and can use his claws to shred through it if it stacks up. His claws being at his finger tips make it very hard for Spiderman to put him in an uncomprimising position. If Spiderman webs him to something, he has the strength to easily break it down.
Concerning Peter's punches, the guy has practically no formal training so he can't even get the best out of his punches, given that most of his punching comes from airborne positions he's robbed of grounded leverage, and kenetic energy even moreso. He probably only punches with 5 to 7 tons of force even though he's a 10-15 tonner.
But hell, even if he punched with 30 tons of force it wouldn't matter....
Sabretooth's natural durability is enough to take full blows from characters in the 60 to 100+ class range with nothing but a smile on his face.
Spiderman has exhausted himself trying to punch away at Wolverine with virtually no effect whatsoever. Now he's going to be hitting someone with a faster healing factor and a higher level of natural durability ("Tendons are like steel cables"😉. Spiderman can't win through punches, he likely can't win through webbing..... so... he can't win.Sabretooth on the other hand has a considerably better fighting ability than Spiderman, he hits with considerably more force than his lifting ability allows (Ex:KOing Rogue in 3 blows), and his speed is either equivolent or superior to Spidermans.
Yes, he's speedblitzed Spiderman, attacking Spidey and Punisher too fast for either man to react to then immediately turning around and catching Spiderman by the throat holding him at his mercy til Punisher saved him.
In another encounter Spiderman had Sabretooth completely engulfed in webbing only to have Sabretooth rip out of it and gut Spiderman before Wolverine could come to his aid.
This was definitely before his Weapon x upgrades and possibly before even his Death Hunt upgrades.
It's understandible considering that he's faster than Logan, and Logan made Spiderman second guess his own speed as to who was faster.
And his claws all basically sum this up to mean that it won't take much more than one or several hits to end the fight as a win for Sabretooth.
As Srank stated, Spiderman can't hope to compete with Creed in "anything even resembling a physical fight"....
namorsubby just got owned.
Originally posted by namorsubby
so sabretooth possesses a level of speed neccesary to easliy outmaneuver the most agile there is?exactly when did he do this twice, you have scans?.......and i've seen one encounter between them.......hopefully you're not saying he speedblitzed him then.
15 tons is his official strength?
Oh it wasn't a speedblitze? I see. So Sabretooth just covered a distance between himself and Spiderman too fast for Spiderman to react and attacked him too fast for Spiderman to even begin putting up a suitable defense.... and that would be what again? Luck?
That's what their X-men database book states. he's in the same strength range as Spidey according to handbooks.
Originally posted by jinzin
Oh it wasn't a speedblitze? I see. So Sabretooth just covered a distance between himself and Spiderman too fast for Spiderman to react and attacked him too fast for Spiderman to even begin putting up a suitable defense.... and that would be what again? Luck?
That's what their X-men database book states. he's in the same strength range as Spidey according to handbooks.
I thought speedblitz is like having loads of after images and shit like that but yeah he did move too fast for Spiderman but I dont think he speedblitzed him.
Originally posted by jinzinWhat issue is that? Don't recall seeing this.
That's what their X-men database book states.
Originally posted by jinzinThat's a big range. Somebody who can lift 900lbs. would be in same strength range as Spidey.
he's in the same strength range as Spidey according to handbooks.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I was saying that being in the same strength range as Spidey does not mean you're as strong as he is. The actually range is 800lbs. up to 25 tons.
I understand what you are saying but its pointless since sabertooth strength wasnt shown on a gauge, it actually said he lifts 15 tons and I agree, spiderman is stronger but spidermans strength isnt whats going to help him in this fight and the tool that he can only use to get a win is almost as useless as his strength.
Sabertooth would kill spiderman, it would be a repeat of what sabertooth did to wolverine during there 1st meeting when sabertooth got those upgrades from weapon x, wolverine got speed blitzed and owned.