Originally posted by snoopdoggAnd I'd love to post it for you, but I don't own it. As you know I don't put much faith in handbooks so I never have much use for owning them.
Well I for one go by the #'s Marvel puts in their handbooks. If it says Creed can lift 15 tons then I won't argue against it. I'd just like to see it is all.
Originally posted by I-Drop
Still a L unless Sabes got up & said "It ain't ova bit<h!!!" Or you can say brick wall FTW
& then Spidey hopped in the line of fire, right? & that's what left him open for Sabes to get him.
And no, Spiderman didn't hop into the line of fire, he went after Sabretooth after Punisher stopped. He got caught. There's really no excuse.
Originally posted by jinzinUntil he ran into a wall, which brought the actual fight to an end w/Sable as the victor & Victor as the....uh......non-victor. According to Al Capone the last man(woman) standing is the guy who won. Creed lost, mane. I'm not saying that gives Spidey the edge 'cuz Sabes has been upgraded apparently, but my original question was "what upgrades has he gotten since then?"
And I'd love to post it for you, but I don't own it. As you know I don't put much faith in handbooks so I never have much use for owning them.lol. "still" nothing. You can make a point of SS beating Sabretooth to discredit his physicality when she won through a plot device. In the actual fight he was dominant.
Originally posted by jinzinThen why'd Pun say he was in the line of fire?
And no, Spiderman didn't hop into the line of fire, he went after Sabretooth after Punisher stopped. He got caught. There's really no excuse.
Originally posted by I-Drop
Until he ran into a wall, which brought the actual fight to an end w/Sable as the victor & Victor as the....uh......non-victor. According to Al Capone the last man(woman) standing is the guy who won. Creed lost, mane. I'm not saying that gives Spidey the edge 'cuz Sabes has been upgraded apparently, but my original question was "what upgrades has he gotten since then?"
Then why'd Pun say he was in the line of fire?
I'm not saying Creed didn't go down... It's just the way you represented it while asking about his physicality. It's very close to an implication if not one straight out. Simple fact is that you can't say SS beat him when he was dominating the fight and this took him out..
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/1783/silversable4pf0.jpg
Interesting though that Creed brought down, survived and got out of a wall that huge.
Sabretooth since then has recieved two to three upgrades in speed, strength, healing factor, and has had at least one upgrade in skill. He's also shown proficiency at turning his enhances senses off at will.
Punisher followed his line of fire towards Sabretooth after Spiderman had already jumped towards him. Spiderman didn't jump into his line of fire first.
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http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=Sabesgenerator.jpg
Some food for tought. AFAIK that's Sabes' most impressive strength feat.
That generator likely weighs ten tons. I remember the last time this got brought up and I had a link that stated apartment generator's weight of that size.
A likely ten tons that Sabetooth is swinging around to bash other people with. That very well supports the 15 ton assessment.
He also pulled people apart in that series who had the durability to resist adamantium claws. The sheer tensil strength of their skin would have been harder than steel or titanium.
He's knocked a car onto two wheels with a backhand.
Ripped a large computer out of the war room and chucked it across the x-mansion.
thrown someting like 20 or 30 hand ninja airborne at the same time.
lifted a massive blast door over his head with one hand.
busted through an energy field designed to stop a charging full grown elephant.
Ripped apart a mutant squid that overpowered caliban with his bear hands (no claws).
There's a few more but that what I remember off the top of my head.
Sabretooth's within the 10-15 ton range.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I've seached the web and still could find nothing on Creed being able to lift 15 tons.
No offense but the webs not the greatest place to look. Creed's a lot like Puma. He's a Spiderman level character in physicality, but a Wolverine like character in ferocity so his ruthlessness, claws, and speed are usually what gets showcased for him instead of his strength.
Puma really doesn't have much in the way of lifting feats either but no one doubts his superstrength. I find it amusing that people doubt creeds when he's still got all sorts of evidence backing it up, and it's an attribute that's been clear in comics, movies, and cartoons that he surely does.
Originally posted by jinzin
That generator likely weighs ten tons. I remember the last time this got brought up and I had a link that stated apartment generator's weight of that size.A likely ten tons that Sabetooth is swinging around to bash other people with. That very well supports the 15 ton assessment.
He also pulled people apart in that series who had the durability to resist adamantium claws. The sheer tensil strength of their skin would have been harder than steel or titanium.
He's knocked a car onto two wheels with a backhand.
Ripped a large computer out of the war room and chucked it across the x-mansion.
thrown someting like 20 or 30 hand ninja airborne at the same time.
lifted a massive blast door over his head with one hand.
busted through an energy field designed to stop a charging full grown elephant.
Ripped apart a mutant squid that overpowered caliban with his bear hands (no claws).
There's a few more but that what I remember off the top of my head.
Sabretooth's within the 10-15 ton range.
If those show Creed is Class 15, then Spidey is Class 20+
Find the link again.
I's say they support that he's calss 15-20. And Spidey was class 20 (+ in times of extreme duress) but after OMD I'm not sure where his strength class is at. He appears to be weaker though.
If I'm bored with time on my hands I will try... Otherwise it's either in another Spidey vs tooth thread or tooth vs. namor. I'm not sure.
Yeah but that Iron Man feat was mega high end for Spidey and borderline PIS if not flat out. On the other end of the table Spiderman tried to web up Wolverine and look what happened to him. 😬
I'm still not convinced that the bugle feat can be stated as a 50 ton feat but it doesn't matter. What you're failing to realize is that Sabretooth, while his strength feats are not the focal point of the character, are quite consistently in the same range.
Spiderman being consistently at one level and presumably jumping up to 50 tons for one or two feats in the entirety of his 50 year, 27 title career doesn't make him a class 50, it just makes for stupid writing when there's a whole lot more feats where he's failed to use his strength against less.
And once again those feats are under extreme duress and can easily be chalked up to adrenaline boosts. Wolverine's overpowered several superhumans with brute strength during a rage, it doesn't make him a 5+ ton lifter
