Mirrors Edge · Computer / Video Games Discussion

Schwarzenegger Restricted

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Schwarzenegger, just accept that some people have different taste in games than you.
For many people, Mirror's Edge is going to be a better game than GTA IV. It will catch their eye better and hold their attention longer, because to us it is a more interesting game.

HAHAHA its going to be a better game despite the fact that we hardly know anything about the gameplay this and that? Oh and substantiate "for many people", for all we know that "many people" may only be a fraction of the amont of people that loved GTA IV.

What is absurd is that you guys have yet to even play the game let alone experience it and already speculating that it may surpass GTA IV's gameplay.

Oh and talk about the possibilities LOL, it may just be a medicore game, it may be above average , it may be a good game and hell it may even be a complete flop.

Originally posted by General Kaliero

Looking back on history, however, regardless of its quality it will not be able to surpass GTA IV in critical response - it's hard to do that when the critics [offensive term removed] all over the game for being GTA - or in sales, as quality niche games tend to do poorly in sales (see Sands of Time, Beyond Good & Evil, Eternal Darkness, Psychonauts, etc.).

Wait wait wait, so GTA IV got good ratings simply because it is GTA and they didn't rate it because of its story, character development and gameplay? Then tell me one thing, if i applied your logic to reviewing the game, why didn't they rate the game before playing it? Its absurd right? Thats what your trying to imply from my point of view

No offence but i completely disagree with nearly everything you and peach claimed, especially the part where you claimed mirror's edge is going to be better than GTA IV(to a small fraction of people, it may be) and all is before the you had even played the game.

Originally posted by Peach
Do you not see the hypocrisy in going on about how GTA is great and that Mirror's Edge isn't going to be a better game simply because someone said so, and then saying "People have their own taste's, likes and dislikes." in the middle of that?

Lets get one thing straight, before attempting to point out my hypocrisy, why don't you alert yourself to the fact that you acted as if mirror's edge will be better that GTA IV and that you treat your opinions as fact?

Originally posted by General Kaliero

Sure, GTA IV did a lot of things well - for a large number of audiences. But, for a smaller audience, Mirror's Edge is doing a lot of things better.

Fixed.

Substantiate "alot of things better", you have yet to even play the game, so how on earth do you know it would do things better than GTA 4? Stop treating it as fact.I think it would take a massive amount of work for it to do even half of what GTA IV did.

General Kaliero F = ma, beeyotches.

You've already made it abundantly clear that you don't understand the concept of different people liking different things, so I'm not even going to waste my time arguing the point. Think what you like.

Smasandian Smell the Ashes

Originally posted by General Kaliero
If you like.

The game has more to do with an shooter than it does with the adventure game so FPA doesn't really make any sense either.

Peach mordrem

Originally posted by Smasandian
The game has more to do with an shooter than it does with the adventure game so FPA doesn't really make any sense either.

No...really, it doesn't. It has almost nothing to do with shooters.

General Kaliero F = ma, beeyotches.

Originally posted by Smasandian
The game has more to do with an shooter than it does with the adventure game so FPA doesn't really make any sense either.

So it's first-person... and has the option of using guns. Which you only get by stealing from enemies. And which affect your ability to move adversely. And which you have to discard when the ammo's run out.

The main gameplay is speedy and fluid movement through an environment. Shooting is not the point of the game. One would think the media released on the game so far would have made that apparent.

I can safely say all the FPS freaks who buy Mirror's Edge will be severely disappointed, as they'll be thinking it's an FPS right up until they start playing.

k1Lla441 Self-Made

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
But the sad fact is that GTA IV DID stand out, just accept it and move on. So what now? It doesn't stand out "juz cuz you say so"?
And that makes it better than GTA IV how? People have their own taste's, likes and dislikes.
Like i said in my earlier post, i still find oblivion fun to play after completing the main quest, but does that mean its greater or a better game than gta 4? Hell no. We all have our likes and dislikes.
But to even speculate that mirrors edge would surpass GTA IV before you had even played the game is just total bull.
Actually it is going to take massive work for mirror's edge to be even half of what GTA 4 was.
Oh, so its "possible" that mirror's edge is going to surpass gta Iv? Right, theres also a "possibility" that the mirror's edge universe is taking place in a microscopic scale of george bush's rectum, without evidence to support that that, [b]don't claim it.
And talk about many people claiming GTA IV is "overrated", to twice the amount of people, that game is "extremely good". Not everyone may like GTA like games, but that isn't going to make mirror's edge a better game than gta 4. [/B]

GTA 4 didnt stand out not because i said so, no, but because its the exact same thing as san andreas, with a lot of content removed. It has the same mindless self destruction, same type of missions, and pretty much everything is the same except with a minor few tweaks here and there. Thats why it doesnt stand out.

Also, you stated, and i quote "games arent fun anymore after you beat them" which is complete and total crap. Thats the kind of stereotyping I hate, because many games have plenty of stuff to do after you beat the game, which doesnt include GTA 4. unlike other games, after you beat GTA(if you even make it THAT far) it gets boring so fast its not even funny. Thats another reason GTA is boring and repetitive.

Why do you get all mad that we speculate mirrors edge is going to be better than GTA 4? What are we supposed to do? make it a fact? The right thing to do would be to speculate, because we are speculating that mirrors edge is going to be better than GTA 4, which pretty much means to guess to the best of your knowlege. we never said " doesnt matter what happens mirrors edge is always going to be better than GTA 4." Every body, even video game magazines, speculate how good a games gonna be before it comes out.

Yes, you are a hypocrite, because you get all pissy at us for "speculating" that mirrors edge is better than GTA 4, when you do the exact same thing and "speculate" GTA 4 is better than mirrors edge. Also, you have absolutely no evidence that GTA 4 is going to be better than mirrors edge, so dont claim it, right?

Smasandian Smell the Ashes

Originally posted by General Kaliero
So it's first-person... and has the option of using guns. Which you only get by stealing from enemies. And which affect your ability to move adversely. And which you have to discard when the ammo's run out.
The main gameplay is speedy and fluid movement through an environment. Shooting is not the point of the game. One would think the media released on the game so far would have made that apparent.
I can safely say all the FPS freaks who buy Mirror's Edge will be severely disappointed, as they'll be thinking it's an FPS right up until they start playing.

I know that the game is not purely about shooting people, but its not an adventure either.

I called it a FPS because there really isn't anything else to call it and there really isn't any sort of genre that is more prevalent than an FPS in it.

Guns might not be the main game play element but your suppose to attack the enemy with melee attacks and you disarm enemies and can use your guns on them if you want. To me, its more of an FPS than any other genre. Just not the same. It even follow the typical level design of an FPS with the linear levels (from what Ive seen in videos).

Schwarzenegger Restricted

Originally posted by General Kaliero
You've already made it abundantly clear that you don't understand the concept of different people liking different things, so I'm not even going to waste my time arguing the point. Think what you like.

Actually i did because i myself stated that, i was simply arguing its absurd to argue that mirror's edge would surpass GTA for some people when we know absolute jack about the game.

If the game WAS released and then if some of you guys like the game more than GTA IV(even i may, but i'll see) then i'd shut up.

Peach mordrem

Originally posted by Smasandian
I know that the game is not purely about shooting people, but its not an adventure either.
I called it a FPS because there really isn't anything else to call it and there really isn't any sort of genre that is more prevalent than an FPS in it.
Guns might not be the main game play element but your suppose to attack the enemy with melee attacks and you disarm enemies and can use your guns on them if you want. To me, its more of an FPS than any other genre. Just not the same. It even follow the typical level design of an FPS with the linear levels (from what Ive seen in videos).

It's a first person action/adventure. That is all. There is little to do with FPSs in it beyond the viewpoint.

I mean, gameplay-wise, it's going to be very similar to Prince of Persia and Assassin's Creed, which are action/adventure games.

Really, a simple presence of guns that are usable does not make a game a shooter. And this is the first time I've seen anyone even compare it to one, let alone try to say it's very similar to one. And for the record, pretty sure that linear level design did not originate with FPSs.

Schwarzenegger Restricted

Originally posted by k1Lla441
GTA 4 didnt stand out not because i said so, no, but because its the exact same thing as san andreas, with a lot of content removed. It has the same mindless self destruction, same type of missions, and pretty much everything is the same except with a minor few tweaks here and there. Thats why it doesnt stand out.

You sir clearly don't know when to shut the hell up, it stood out simply because people liked the gameplay even though alot more content has been removed.

If it is the exact same thing as san andreas genius, why on earth are people bothering to play the game at all? Why not stick to san andreas? Why waste money on a game "exactly the same as san andreas"?

I'll tell you why, because what you just pulled out of your ass(no offence intended, seeing it is a fact) is preposterous and makes absolutely no sense at all.

Originally posted by k1Lla441

Also, you stated, and i quote "games arent fun anymore after you beat them" which is complete and total crap.

Learn to read young kid, i also said with exceptions of games like oblivion that are still fun to play after completing the main story line, it's not my problem that you have reading disabilities and STOP acting as if i meant ALL games are boring after completing the main storyline, i said generally though i didn't type it, i implied it.

Seriously equip your spectacles on or start abolishing your reading disabilities or simply shut up.

Originally posted by k1Lla441

Thats the kind of stereotyping I hate, because many games have plenty of stuff to do after you beat the game, which doesnt include GTA 4.

And that makes GTA IV inferior how?

Originally posted by k1Lla441

unlike other games, after you beat GTA(if you even make it THAT far)

Which i did your majesty.

Originally posted by k1Lla441

it gets boring so fast its not even funny. Thats another reason GTA is boring and repetitive.

Hell even i agree to that, but lets use your logic, are you saying that if theres nothing to do after completing the games main storyline, that game is boring and crap and thus not worth buying it?

LOL you make me laugh, if we used your logic plenty of games would suck and be "boring and repetitive".

Originally posted by k1Lla441

Why do you get all mad that we speculate mirrors edge is going to be better than GTA 4?

Because its absrud considering the fact that you know absolute jack about the game? The fact that it can also be speculated that the game would be just mediocore or even a flop?

What pisses me off is people like you passing it off as fact.

Originally posted by k1Lla441

What are we supposed to do? make it a fact?

Well you are acting as if its a fact.

Originally posted by k1Lla441

The right thing to do would be to speculate, because we are speculating that mirrors edge is going to be better than GTA 4, which pretty much means to guess to the best of your knowlege.

And to the best of my knowledge, to even speculate that ME is going to be better than GTA IV or any other game is completely absurd without even experiencing the game at hand or even knowing jack about it.

Is it ok to speculate that it may be a good game? Yea but to be better than a game that by many peoples opinions that it stands out? No.

Originally posted by k1Lla441

we never said " doesnt matter what happens mirrors edge is always going to be better than GTA 4." Every body, even video game magazines, speculate how good a games gonna be before it comes out.
Yes, you are a hypocrite, because you get all pissy at us for "speculating" that mirrors edge is better than GTA 4, when you do the exact same thing and "speculate" GTA 4 is better than mirrors edge. Also, you have absolutely no evidence that GTA 4 is going to be better than mirrors edge, so dont claim it, right?

Ah yes, but i don't have to prove that GTA IV would be greater than mirror's edge simply because it has yet to be released, infact people like you are speculating that ME is going to surpass GTA IV hence the burden of proof falls on you, you made the claim, you prove it.

And based on the circumstances, i can argue GTA IV would be greater than ME and let me quote smasandian: GTA4 is a quality title. It did alot of things very well, improved many gameplay elements from the previous games and provided one of the best looking and real cities in any game out there. Mirrors Edge looks like it can provide an unique gameplay addition to the standard FPS, but outside of a few gameplay videos and the same looking level, you cannot possibly say it will be better than GTA4.

Now my son, prove up or shut up and you have yet to do either.

Now you better choose, prove up or concede, you wouldn't want to "waste" your time arguing with people like me, every word you type out to me results in a second lost from playing your precious games(i read your profile, you are a hardcore gamer, but thats ok).

Besides, a senior member who is more credible than you by ten fold said this :

Originally posted by Smasandian
But you cannot possibly say that Mirrors Edge is a better game than a game that has been released? How do you know that Mirrors Edge turns out to be the some piece of shit game?
What will Mirrors Edge surpass GTA4 in? Critical response? Sales? You appreciation in it?
When does a used copy of game show evidence that it is not a good game?
GTA4 is a quality title. It did alot of things very well, improved many gameplay elements from the previous games and provided one of the best looking and real cities in any game out there. Mirrors Edge looks like it can provide an unique gameplay addition to the standard FPS, but outside of a few gameplay videos and the same looking level, you cannot possibly say it will be better than GTA4.

^nuff said.

Peach mordrem

Schwarzenegger, you can drop the attitude right this moment. There is absolutely no call whatsoever for your behavior and it won't be tolerated. You will discuss civilly, or you won't at all.

Smasandian Smell the Ashes

Originally posted by Peach
It's a first person action/adventure. That is all. There is little to do with FPSs in it beyond the viewpoint.
I mean, gameplay-wise, it's going to be very similar to Prince of Persia and Assassin's Creed, which are action/adventure games.
Really, a simple presence of guns that are usable does not make a game a shooter. And this is the first time I've seen anyone even compare it to one, let alone try to say it's very similar to one. And for the record, pretty sure that linear level design did not originate with FPSs.

And it sure is like Prince Of Persia and Assassins Creed. They sure follow in those footsteps. Outside of animations, it shares nothing with an adventure game.

But I got it. Its a first person platformer.

Wil7 Faster than a bullet

Schwarzenegger, there isn't that much stuff to do at the end of GTA 4. I have beaten the game. All you get is random characters, a few cop missions, and assasin missions. Compared to GTA SA, GTA 4 has barely anything to do. GTA SA you get taxi missions, cop missions, fire missions, you get way more girl friends, you need to take over every hood, etc. I thought I wasn't that good of a debater, but you are off the charts in crappiness compared to me.

General Kaliero F = ma, beeyotches.

Originally posted by Smasandian
And it sure is like Prince Of Persia and Assassins Creed. They sure follow in those footsteps. Outside of animations, it shares nothing with an adventure game.
But I got it. Its a first person platformer.

I'm surprised at you, frankly. You're usually not this stupid.

The main feature of the game is fluid movement through the environment. Any cursory glance at any gameplay video will show you this. The focus of the game is platforming, with shooting as a secondary option.

Are you really not getting this, or did you just feel the need to be annoying?

Originally posted by Wil7
Schwarzenegger, there isn't that much stuff to do at the end of GTA 4. I have beaten the game. All you get is random characters, a few cop missions, and assasin missions. Compared to GTA SA, GTA 4 has barely anything to do. GTA SA you get taxi missions, cop missions, fire missions, you get way more girl friends, you need to take over every hood, etc. I thought I wasn't that good of a debater, but you are off the charts in crappiness compared to me.

Off-topic.

Wil7 Faster than a bullet

I am talking about the argument between Schwarzenegger and k1Lla441. k1Lla441 is right, and Schwarzenegger is WAY wrong.

Smasandian Smell the Ashes

Originally posted by General Kaliero
I'm surprised at you, frankly. You're usually not this stupid.
The main feature of the game is fluid movement through the environment. Any cursory glance at any gameplay video will show you this. The focus of the game is platforming, with shooting as a secondary option.
Are you really not getting this, or did you just feel the need to be annoying?
Off-topic.

Why are you being a dick?

I disagree with both of you. You think I'm wrong. Fine, then I'm wrong, but I look at this game as a shooter. It might not be a pro typical shooter like Halo, but I'm not going to start defining every single part of it just because it has to be different. You can shoot people, your suppose to attack them with melee attacks, and it takes place in a very linear path. To me that's a FPS shooter. I compare Mirrors Edge to how Condemned plays out. Both are very similar on how the combat is. Guns are in it and you can use them if you want to, but there not the main source of attacking enemies. I will probably play Mirrors Edge like a shooter.

General Kaliero F = ma, beeyotches.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Why are you being a dick?
I disagree with both of you. You think I'm wrong. Fine, then I'm wrong, but I look at this game as a shooter. It might not be a pro typical shooter like Halo, but I'm not going to start defining every single part of it just because it has to be different. You can shoot people, your suppose to attack them with melee attacks, and it takes place in a very linear path. To me that's a FPS shooter. I compare Mirrors Edge to how Condemned plays out. Both are very similar on how the combat is. Guns are in it and you can use them if you want to, but there not the main source of attacking enemies. I will probably play Mirrors Edge like a shooter.

Sorry. I'm under a lot of stress right now. Think what you like.

Smasandian Smell the Ashes

It's cool. It was just unusual behavior for you.

Anyways, in the end, it will probably be an interesting game, it might be crap, or it might be really cool, we don't know. It will interesting to see if DICE can pull it off because I think they have done only 1 singleplayer game, and it wasn't very good.

k1Lla441 Self-Made

Yea, your right, i usually dont shut up when im trying to prove something. its called a forum for a reason. And whats your problem? Just because my opinion is different than yours, doesnt mean you should go to name calling. Just shows me how immature you are.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
You sir clearly don't know when to shut the hell up, it stood out simply because people [b]liked the gameplay even though alot more content has been removed.[/B]

No, the game primarily stood out because its part of the GTA franchise. Even before the game came out, it had a lot of hype from previous GTA games, which would make you mad because "they speculated before the game came out". I dont care what anyone says, no matter how good or bad the next halo is, its still going to stand out because its halo.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
If it is the [b]exact same thing as san andreas genius, why on earth are people bothering to play the game at all? Why not stick to san andreas? Why waste money on a game "exactly the same as san andreas"?[/B]

Just because its almost the exact same thing doesnt necassarily mean its a bad thing. Hell, halo 3 is almost an exact replica of halo 2 with a few tweaks, but now its the top selling 360 game. And like i said earlier, GTA 4 has a few tweaks, and with the hype of GTA, plus its for a next gen console, and it has a few more tweaks, im pretty sure with all that rockstar can get people to buy it.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
I'll tell you why, because what you just pulled out of your ass(no offence intended, seeing it is a fact) is preposterous and makes absolutely no sense at all.
Learn to read young kid, i also said with exceptions of games like oblivion that are still fun to play after completing the main story line, it's not my problem that you have reading disabilities and STOP acting as if i meant ALL games are boring after completing the main storyline, i said [b]generally though i didn't type it, i implied it.[/B]

You said EXCEPTIONS for some games, which means few games. So what your telling me is that most games get boring after the story line, except for a few exceptions? no, not even close. to me its like a 40 60 trade off, with 40 percent of games being boring after you beat them and 60 percent of games have something fun to unlock/do after you beat the game. Again, i havent been at the forums for as along as you, and i already know that you shouldnt imply things at kmc. if you have an opinion to say, say it. Dont say you "implied it" because that just leads me to believe your lieing.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
What pisses me off is people like you passing it off as fact.
Well you are acting as if its a fact.
And to the best of my knowledge, to even speculate that ME is going to be better than GTA IV or any other game is completely absurd without even experiencing the game at hand or even knowing jack about it.
Is it ok to speculate that it may be a good game? Yea but to be better than a game that by many peoples opinions that it stands out? No.

Acting like its fact and saying its fact are two different things. I act as if its a fact because i strongly believe that mirrors edge is going to be better than GTA 4 (and note the i said "believe", which means if somehow the game comes out with horrible controls or something like that, then it will change) from what i have seen. I would love for you to point out where i stated as a fact that ME is going to be better than GTA. I speculated and guessed, which is completely different than a fact. So your getting mad at me because my opinion is that ME is going to be GTA 4? are you serious?? Its called an OPINION for a reason, as in what i think, so you dont have to get all mad about it. I may not know everything about mirrors edge, but i know enough to speculate (as in guessing, which means it may change) that its going to be better than GTA 4, in my opinion. I said "my" opinion, so stop acting like im talking for everyone else. You "implied" that i shouldnt think ME is going to be better than GTA 4 because "many peoples opinions are that its stands out". Just because other people think it stands out doesnt change my opinion in anyway, and you shouldnt expect it to change my opinion, so you wasted your time saying it.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Ah yes, but i don't have to prove that GTA IV would be greater than mirror's edge simply because [b]it has yet to be released, infact people like you are speculating that ME is going to surpass GTA IV hence the burden of proof falls on you, you made the claim, you prove it. Why do i need every amount of proof to speculate? that makes no sense. its called speculating because your not stating a fact, but your making an educated guess on your opinions. Can you exactly tell me how im supposed to prove an opinion?? Can anyone tell me how to prove an opinion?? i cant believe you just asked me to prove my opinion why ME is going to be better than GTA 4.
And based on the circumstances, i can argue GTA IV would be greater than ME and let me quote smasandian: GTA4 is a quality title. It did alot of things very well, improved many gameplay elements from the previous games and provided one of the best looking and real cities in any game out there. Mirrors Edge looks like it can provide an unique gameplay addition to the standard FPS, but outside of a few gameplay videos and the same looking level, you cannot possibly say it will be better than GTA4.
Now my son, prove up or shut up and you have yet to do either.
Now you better choose, prove up or concede, you wouldn't want to "waste" your time arguing with people like me, every word you type out to me results in a second lost from playing your precious games(i read your profile, you are a hardcore gamer, but thats ok).
Besides, a senior member who is more credible than you by ten fold said this :
^nuff said. [/B]

I dont have to do either, and its your opinion that i wasnt able to "prove up" to you. in my opinon, your a very ignorant and biased GTA fanboy, and i dominated in this argument. And you want to get references from other people?? ok then i have 2, count em', TWO moderators who said this about you, and im pretty sure they would agree with me over you.
GK:
"You've already made it abundantly clear that you don't understand the concept of different people liking different things, so I'm not even going to waste my time arguing the point. Think what you like."
Peach:
"Schwarzenegger, you can drop the attitude right this moment. There is absolutely no call whatsoever for your behavior and it won't be tolerated. You will discuss civilly, or you won't at all."

seems to me like you need to calm down, and be alot more polite in your arguements or youll find that you will have absolutely no friends and many enemies. You also need to get the concept of "opinion" through your head, because you tend to get mad at people when they have those.

Neo Darkhalen Mission zero

Why are you arguing with someone who's been banned for 30 days, let it go man.

Originally posted by Smasandian
It's cool. It was just unusual behavior for you.
Anyways, in the end, it will probably be an interesting game, it might be crap, or it might be really cool, we don't know. It will interesting to see if DICE can pull it off because I think they have done only 1 singleplayer game, and it wasn't very good.

I real hope it doesn't end up a disappointment, from looking at it it just looks fantastic, would be a shame for it all to go to waste.