Originally posted by truejedi
3,000,000 clones. not quadrillions.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Quote from Dooku "We outnumber them a hundred to 1" quintillions of battle droids +T-canon quote= quadrillions of clones, finally killing that Karen Traviss statement
And yes the Republic takes this. 10,000 Jedi, Kuat defense fleet composed of dreadnoughts capable of taking on a thousand Recuscant-class light destroyers, quadrillions of clones, thousands of Venators, and Victories=crispy Vong
Wow, no. You're a total fool.
The Yuuzahn Vong primary ship, the Miid Ro'ik is more powerful than a ISD in a fight. The ISD is FAR more powerful than a Venator. Miid Ro'im would literall tear Venator's to shreads. To demonstrate,
a Venator has twenty turbolaser cannons. Sounds pretty good but an ISD has SIXTY turbolasers. Add to that the fact that Imperial turbolaser technology "recycles" power three times as fast as prior turbolaser technology and you find out that a single ISD has the turbolaser firepower of NINE Venators COMBINED! A Miid Ro"ik is even more powerful than that.
Next, remember that the Yuuzhan Vong have tons of an even more powerful ship, the Uro'ik v'alh. These are considerably stronger than even Miid Ro'ik and also number in the hundreds or thousands.
Also, there are the Worldships, which the Republic doesn't have a fair shot against.
On the ground things go in the Vong's favor as well. Remember that the Vong armor is more or less impervious to blaster fire. The Vong also have massive numbers and better assault weaponry.
If you doubt what I'm saying, just think about this. During their invasion of the galaxy the Vong single-handily took on the following:
New Republic
Imperial Remnant
Chiss
Hutts
Hapans
Mandalorians
Yevetha (who alone had more than ten thousand capital ships)
The Old Republic would get raped.
EDIT: I would also like to add that it did take the Vong thousands of years to get to the galaxy. There is no proof necessarily that it was a Yuuzhan Vong ship that Canderous incountered. Living doesn't automatically mean Vong. They had been outside the galaxy for about fifty years, wating because they were afraid to fight the Empire at it's peak.
Also, the Emperor I don't believe was the one who knew about the Vong, it was Thrawn who had encountered them in the Unknown Regions and was planning to build up a force with which to defeat them.
Hell, the Vong were frightened of the Empire even post-DE, hence why they arranged for Nom Anor to arrange the destruction of the Imperial Interim Ruling Council and Xandel Carvius.
And yes, Palpatine was aware of the Yuuzhan Vong, at least a couple of years after the Invasion of Naboo. It was the reason he attempted to destroy Outbound Flight.
No, the Republic fleet will handle them, thousands of Venators. The Vong was scared shitless of the remains of the Imperial fleet. If the Vong were so powerful, why not attack the Empire right after the Clone Wars. With the shipyards at Kuat, Rothana, and Fondor the Vong will soon find themselves overwhelmed. BTW: the Republic had access to Imperator and Tector class cruisers in the Clone Wars
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No, the Republic fleet will handle them, thousands of Venators. The Vong was scared shitless of the remains of the Imperial fleet. If the Vong were so powerful, why not attack the Empire right after the Clone Wars. With the shipyards at Kuat, Rothana, and Fondor the Vong will soon find themselves overwhelmed. BTW: the Republic had access to Imperator and Tector class cruisers in the Clone Wars
Maybe the reason they didn't attack after the Clone Wars is because they weren't ready plus they were scared of the Empire because of how organize it was compared to the republic.
On another note I wish there was information on Vader's thoughts of the Vong. If the emeperor knew of them then there is a good chance Vader would know something of the vong given his place as the emperor's apprentice and his place in the imperial militarty.
Originally posted by Elite HunterHe may be second, but that doesn't make him privvy to everything.
Maybe the reason they didn't attack after the Clone Wars is because they weren't ready plus they were scared of the Empire because of how organize it was compared to the republic.On another note I wish there was information on Vader's thoughts of the Vong. If the emeperor knew of them then there is a good chance Vader would know something of the vong given his place as the emperor's apprentice and his place in the imperial militarty.
The Old Republic had an organized command structure including the Jedi Order. Masters Kazdan Paratus, Windu, and Yoda have taken on armies of battle droids. The Vong on the ground will get frippled, and in space Mandator-class Star Dreadnoughts, Tector class star cruisers, and Imperial/Imperator-class Star Destroyers, not to mention other classes of massive battlecruisers that the Republic has access to after Palpatine took all sectorial fleets and added them to the Republic's already impressive armada. The sheer number of Republic vessels will thrash the Vong. Millions of CIS ships: Lets say four million warships. Even if all the warships were Recuscants(which they weren't because several Munificients, Providences, and Lucrehulk cruisers) it would take 666,666 republic Venators to counter the Seperatist threat.
I'm not actually sure what it is you're trying to prove here.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Old Republic had an organized command structure including the Jedi Order.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Masters Kazdan Paratus, Windu, and Yoda have taken on armies of battle droids. The Vong on the ground will get frippled,
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
and in space Mandator-class Star Dreadnoughts, Tector class star cruisers, and Imperial/Imperator-class Star Destroyers, not to mention other classes of massive battlecruisers that the Republic has access to after Palpatine took all sectorial fleets and added them to the Republic's already impressive armada.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The sheer number of Republic vessels will thrash the Vong. Millions of CIS ships: Lets say four million warships. Even if all the warships were Recuscants(which they weren't because several Munificients, Providences, and Lucrehulk cruisers) it would take 666,666 republic Venators to counter the Seperatist threat.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Old Republic had an organized command structure including the Jedi Order. Masters Kazdan Paratus, Windu, and Yoda have taken on armies of battle droids. The Vong on the ground will get frippled, and in space Mandator-class Star Dreadnoughts, Tector class star cruisers, and Imperial/Imperator-class Star Destroyers, not to mention other classes of massive battlecruisers that the Republic has access to after Palpatine took all sectorial fleets and added them to the Republic's already impressive armada. The sheer number of Republic vessels will thrash the Vong. Millions of CIS ships: Lets say four million warships. Even if all the warships were Recuscants(which they weren't because several Munificients, Providences, and Lucrehulk cruisers) it would take 666,666 republic Venators to counter the Seperatist threat.
Wow did you even read my post?
Where the **** did you get the 4 million CIS capital ships number?
Half the ships you mentioned aren't even Republic ships, they're Imperial, smartguy.
well yeah, that was obvious. He had 6 little ships, and some fighters. It was a scouting party attacking an armada. They would have sucked beyond belief if they had actually lost to Thrawn without his superior tactics, as it was, they just plain sucked.
To be clear: He was outnumbered by what should have been IMPOSSIBLE odds. If they were human ships, they would have been impossible, but many of Thrawns tactics were getting the droids to attack themselves, and crash into their own. So they sucked. His superior tactics would never have worked with human pilots flying each ship he faced.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Wow did you even read my post?Where the **** did you get the 4 million CIS capital ships number?
Half the ships you mentioned aren't even Republic ships, they're Imperial, smartguy.
Alright, fool, we'll try this again.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Read the Clone Wars visual guide and Revenge of the Sith ICS. The Imperial I-class SDs were available to the Republic under the name Imperator class, Tectors were also in the Clone fleet.
Thanks for displaying a fair bit of your ignorance. Show any instances of deployment of ISD's or Tectors.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
[BNot 3 million clones quadrillions: as sourced above (quintillions of battle droids outnumbered a hundred to one.) [/B]
Prove this. Where exactly did Dooku claim quintillions? Show that it wasn't a ridiculous display of hyperbole.
Take into consideration that fact that it took the Kaminoans TEN YEARS to produce 1.2 million clones. Where the hell would quadrillions have suddenly come from? Oh wait, they didn't. There was never that many clones.
And even if there was, it wouldn't matter, as the Vong would merely obliterate every Republic world from space, never engaging them on the ground.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
[BThe Revenge of the Sith ICS also states that there are millions of Separatist Warships detained in Outer Rim Campaigns(and yes it says capital ships.) [/B]
Yes and millions must automatically refer to their combat ready ships? Hell no. The Empire has 25,000 ISD's and a thousand capital ship support craft to back each one up. Does that mean it would take the equivalent of 25,000,000 ISD's to defeat them? No. Use your brain, smart guy.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
[BAcclamators were not the backbone of the Republic fleet, Venators are, in Space Venators are supplemented by Acclamator-IIs as frigates, but they also had Imperatos, Tectors, Mandators, and Procurators in their fleets 😮💨 [/B]
And we already know that a single ISD is as powerful as NINE Venators, and a Miid Ro'ik is more powerful than a ISD. And I've already informed you that the Miid Ro'ik isn't even the most powerful ship in the Vong fleet.
Dude, I had a lot of respect for you before this, but you've successfully tossed it down the shitter.
Originally posted by truejedi
i'm really missing something i guess.... The Seperatists ships wouldn't count in the OR's forces... why do their numbers even matter?
Short answer: They don't.
Long answer: They don't, and it was a desperate tactic to try to muddy the issue with peripheral discussions. It worked.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Alright, fool, we'll try this again.Thanks for displaying a fair bit of your ignorance. Show any instances of deployment of ISD's or Tectors.
Prove this. Where exactly did Dooku claim quintillions? Show that it wasn't a ridiculous display of hyperbole.
Take into consideration that fact that it took the Kaminoans TEN YEARS to produce 1.2 million clones. Where the hell would quadrillions have suddenly come from? Oh wait, they didn't. There was never that many clones.
And even if there was, it wouldn't matter, as the Vong would merely obliterate every Republic world from space, never engaging them on the ground.
Yes and millions must automatically refer to their combat ready ships? Hell no. The Empire has 25,000 ISD's and a thousand capital ship support craft to back each one up. Does that mean it would take the equivalent of 25,000,000 ISD's to defeat them? No. Use your brain, smart guy.
And we already know that a single ISD is as powerful as NINE Venators, and a Miid Ro'ik is more powerful than a ISD. And I've already informed you that the Miid Ro'ik isn't even the most powerful ship in the Vong fleet.
Dude, I had a lot of respect for you before this, but you've successfully tossed it down the shitter.