Old Republic Vs. Yuzzan Vong

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Quintillions is stated in General Grievous: Lord of War AND the ROTS Incredible cross sections. The 100 to 1 is stated by Dooku himself. Odds are he could have even been exaggerating so there at least quadrillions of Clones.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Where is it stated that an ISD is as powerful as nine Venators.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

May I remind you a Venator holds 400 starfighters each. These are not pushovers, they swarm enemy fortifications with more than 4X as many starfighters as ISDs possess. The Miid Ro'ik capital ships would get shredded by Mandators and Procurators, an outdated Praetor-class star battlecruiser's single Ion Cannon, shredded the shields of an ISD in three shots.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Imagine an armament of several of these. Mandators are in a similar league of SSDs. Lets use common sense. The Galaxy has quintillions of quintillions of inhabitants, how could the Republic police there worlds while simultaneously taking on the CIS. The Coruscant Guard as of 20BBY according to the new Clone Wars series was 100% Clone Unit. It could take a billion clones alone to police Coruscant with a population of 1 trillion. The US military has as many troops as a Galactic unit, please, common sense dictates otherwise

Your 'common sense' < Karen Traviss. It is incredible, and it strains even my suspension of disbelief, but there you go. You can't argue with cannon.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Quintillions is stated in General Grievous: Lord of War AND the ROTS Incredible cross sections. The 100 to 1 is stated by Dooku himself. Odds are he could have even been exaggerating so there at least quadrillions of Clones. Where is it stated that an ISD is as powerful as nine Venators. May I remind you a Venator holds 400 starfighters each. These are not pushovers, they swarm enemy fortifications with more than 4X as many starfighters as ISDs possess. The Miid Ro'ik capital ships would get shredded by Mandators and Procurators, an outdated Praetor-class star battlecruiser's single Ion Cannon, shredded the shields of an ISD in three shots. Imagine an armament of several of these. Mandators are in a similar league of SSDs. Lets use common sense. The Galaxy has quintillions of quintillions of inhabitants, how could the Republic police there worlds while simultaneously taking on the CIS. The Coruscant Guard as of 20BBY according to the new Clone Wars series was 100% Clone Unit. It could take a billion clones alone to police Coruscant with a population of 1 trillion. The US military has as many troops as a Galactic unit, please, common sense dictates otherwise

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

Sorry, but Karen Traviss's canon number is 3,000,000. Traviss > you, as incredible as that may seem.

An ISD is ten times the size of an Acclamator class transport, and the ISD is a warship- not a carrier. It is more powerful, and has more guns. 10 X number of guns = 10 X firepower.

The Vong ships are stronger than ISDs. The comparison is not valid. Their strength in relation to Mandators is unknown- all we can proove is that they are stronger by a large degree.

Your 'common sense' < Karen Traviss. It is incredible, and it strains even my suspension of disbelief, but there you go. You can't argue with cannon. [/B]

100 to 1 arguments are invalid... Dooku could not have know that number for sure. Since when does one side of a war know the numbers of the other side of the war?

wait...i guess in most cases where the leader of one side of the war is also the leader of the other side of the war...

I just want to make one last point. Mizukage Yoda, you're a ****ing idiot. Try actually reading my posts and refuting the point by point by disproving my evidence instead of just skimming over them

Originally posted by truejedi
wait...i guess in most cases where the leader of one side of the war is also the leader of the other side of the war...

Yeah. Kinda makes intelligence accurate, eh? 😄

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No Karen Traviss does not contradict the Clone Wars animated series it is T-Canon, right below the movies and far out of her league. I have 2 C-Canon souces that state quintillions of battle droids. Combined with the T-Canon 100 to 1 statement there are quadrillions of clones *see my Size of the Clone Army thread* You seem to mistake what I'm saying here, the Venator not the Acclamator was the default warship of the Republic, each ship carried 400 fighters. Mandators are not unknown we know they could take on a thousand Recuscants before being destroyed. Praetors were Clone War era battlecruisers who's one Ion Cannon took down the shields of an ISD with laughable ease, and who's main reactor powered the sheild that could deflect firepower from Death Squadron in its entirety.

I'm more than happy to listen to Mizukage, because Traviss's figures are so stupid.

And unless the Republic had multiple cloning stations, which apparently they don't, Kamino could never produce, house, and train "quadrillions" of clones.

^Really do you know this, because several military producers have subsidiaries, like KDY and Rothana. Is it so far fetched to assume that Kamino could also have subsidiaries. And the 501st and the Shock Troops were allegedly raised on Coruscant: Now of coarse this is non canon but still, there could be subsidiaries

Originally posted by Faunus
And unless the Republic had multiple cloning stations, which apparently they don't, Kamino could never produce, house, and train "quadrillions" of clones.

Would it be possible if we could just forget the three million clone figure? I mean, come on, it has no factual basis and is perhaps the dumbest idea in the mythos. No redeeming quality at all. None. And it defies all logic. I say we ignore it.

So somehow it took Kamino ten years to produce 1.2 million troops and all of the sudden they produced millions of times that?

Now, you're going to say that every member world of the Republic somehow produced an average of a BILLION troops EACH. Obviously not.

Assuming every Republic planet equalled Kamino's Clone production during the first ten years it'd only be 1.2 trillion troops. That's barely a thousandth of the figures this fool Mizukage is claiming and that assumes EVERY planet in the Republic is working on it. The VAST majority were not.

No Gideon, we can't. It's ridiculous to assume the contrary, actually.

Originally posted by Gideon
Would it be possible if we could just forget the three million clone figure? I mean, come on, it has no factual basis and is perhaps the dumbest idea in the mythos. No redeeming quality at all. None. And it defies all logic. I say we ignore it.

Seriously. I hate both, but I hate DE more. You can't just ignore aspects of canon, or we may as well pick and choose what matters.

I personally was never a fan of the idea of a Rebellion. The Rebel Alliance should be considered non-canon too. Let's just forget about it. Lol, I'm just playin

I think there's a lot that points to a much larger Clone Army than Traviss's nonsense which is mostly contradictory of other sources...we'll have to wait and see there.

Hell, Lucas himself contradicted her "CLone Wars wasn't even a really big war" nonsense

Originally posted by Faunus
Would it be possible if we could just forget DE? I mean, come on, it shits all over the prophecy of the Chosen One - which was kind of stupid to begin with - and is perhaps the dumbest EU idea in the mythos. Few redeeming qualities at all. And it defies all logic. I say we ignore it.

Seriously. I hate both, but I hate DE more. You can't just ignore aspects of canon, or we may as well pick and choose what matters.

LOL.

I'm in the middle of a multi-page thread on the Jedi Council Forums arguing in favor of a massive retcon that dismisses all stories involving post-RotJ Sith, including Dark Empire.

But really, Faunus, the idea that Dark Empire, as bad as it is, compares to the three million clone figure is extremely stupid. I mean, hell, arguing on technicality, there is nothing that says the Sith were destroyed "permenantly."

There is no such saving grace for Traviss's ignorance. It defies all reason. As Enyalus pointed out, a number twice that size was unable to conquer half of China. You expect it to be suitable to conquer half of the galaxy?

I'm sorry, but DE is nowhere near as bad nor as stupid, and even in your bitterness towards it, I know that you know better.

Edit: Glentract, when you figure out a way that the Republic could have performed well in combat against the Confederacy with only three million clones, post it.

Moreover, Cestus Deception says over a million clones had died already!

Edit: Glentract, when you figure out a way that the Republic could have performed well in combat against the Confederacy with only three million clones, post it. [/B]

Because they went to some planets and raised army's there. Remember the battle with Halcyon and Anakin?

The main thing I would like to ask you is where all the clones would have come from.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Moreover, Cestus Deception says over a million clones had died already!

Traviss is a moron. Three million clones versus quintillions of Confederacy droids? It's impossible. Impossible.

Edit: Glentract, I want the source that says that the Republic organized planetary militias on such a level that it bolstered their three million clone number to the point that they could fight the Confederacy on an even footing. Quotes if possible.