The Time Trapper vs. Fully Fed Galactus

Originally posted by Galan007
at 'standard' levels, galactus only requires the energy of a planet in order to stay well nourished. sure, he 'could' devour all of marvel - but that level of hunger is something he has yet to reach without outside assistance. thus, the "i'll eat the omniverse" version of galactus really has no place in forum battles, unless specifically mentioned, imo.

Not all planets satisfy him to the level of well nourished most just sate his hunger temporarily.

Not really, his infinite hunger is a part of his powerset, what isn't a part of Galactus is a desire to bring destruction to the universe, hence Tiamut altered the way Galactus was thinking, never believe himself to be fed but constantly hungry. That is imo the only alteration Tiamut made.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Not really, his infinite hunger is a part of his powerset, what isn't a part of Galactus is a desire to bring destruction to the universe, hence Tiamut altered the way Galactus was thinking, never believe himself to be fed but constantly hungry. That is imo the only alteration Tiamut made.

How is that supposed to happen? Galactus is not interested in eating beyond his need, its CIS.

i simply do not see how we can just assume galactus can reach such a level, whenever he wants. especially when he has never displayed this ability without help.

Originally posted by Galan007

that is still a 'mindset' galactus has yet to reach/display without outside assistance.

Originally posted by Bentley

How is that supposed to happen?

Galactus is not interested in eating beyond his need, its CIS.

The Black Celestial arc is what we have to demonstrate just how far Galactus can go.
(story couldn't take place in 616,
otherwise G would've had to erase 616 like he did to the alternate 616 future,
and that's simply not going to be allowed, unless there is a re-creation in the mix)

Also as you know,
Byrne gave us a possible ending to the Marvel Universe, (G ended it battling Ecce)
and Galactus' final purpose is explained, to create a new Marvel Universe from scratch.

We have present 616 Galactus depicted as containing infinite energy,
same energy he used to create Marvel anew in Byrne's vision.

We also have 616 hungry Galactus stomping Hyperstorm
by feeding on his connection to the infinite reservoirs of Hyperspace,
once again indicating Galactus' absorption capacity knows no limit, that we know of.

I was under the impression that the change was just a mental alteration, not a power boost per se, so it would be the equal of Galactus deciding to do it on his own. I know that its still an alternate Galactus, but it's the same power set.

I mean, if Clark has never killed in 616 we don't have to assume he can't do it, because its in his power set. If Galactus has been stated to have unlimited hunger and to feed of things other than planets consistently through his history, I don't see exactly how this is an stretch.

Originally posted by Bentley

I was under the impression that the change was just a mental alteration,
not a power boost per se,
so it would be the equal of Galactus deciding to do it on his own.
I know that its still an alternate Galactus, but it's the same power set.

I mean, if Clark has never killed in 616 we don't have to assume he can't do it, because its in his power set. If Galactus has been stated to have unlimited hunger and to feed of things other than planets consistently through his history, I don't see exactly how this is an stretch.

Also, that alternate Galactus is Galactus 616 ... 15 years after 1990.

So literally if we take technicalities into consideration,
that time, which would now be 2005, came and went.

Of course, we didn't see Galactus doing what he did FF#341 in 2005,
because Galactus erased himself, and the possible 616 future from existence.

* note *

(Omniverse being threatened by Galactus was referenced in mainstream Avengers and GOTG)

Originally posted by Bentley
I was under the impression that the change was just a mental alteration, not a power boost per se, so it would be the equal of Galactus deciding to do it on his own. I know that its still an alternate Galactus, but it's the same power set.

Originally posted by Galan007

my point is, until galactus displays a similiar feat without help....

Originally posted by Mr Master

He's got a point there G,
we'll never see Galactus in a proper state of mind destroying,
or wanting to destroy everything, even a single universe.
(you will see him doing whatever he can to save the universe though)

As for a similar feat: (at-least concerning infinite energy)

* note * ... Of course this isn't the Omniverse,
but it proves Galactus can (on his own without assistance)
at will, deal with infinite amounts of energy.

616 G also proved to be able to feed on Time-Space itself,
when he was eating Mephisto's pocket Universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
btw. Other than taking away Galactus's level of momentary satiation,
it was all Galactus and his personal power that did the work.

As for a similar feat: (at-least concerning infinite energy)

* note * ... Of course this isn't the Omniverse,
but it proves Galactus can (on his own without assistance)
at will, deal with infinite amounts of energy.

He had the Hyperstorm feat in eating feats. Unless its non-cannon, in which case I completely ignore others.

here's what the celestial did to galactus...

"as galactus was healing, the master [black celestial] dreamed him whole.... but altered."

"the planet eater has always been hungry. now he would become ravenous as his appetite increased geometrically":

like i said, when galactus does that on his own [ie. when he's not been "altered" by a celestial], it will be a viable tactic for him to use in a battle. then, and only then.

imo.

Originally posted by fangirl101

But in Marvel, There are levels of Infinites. So that level of infinite amount of energy is no where near the Omniverses levels of infinite amount of energy.

It was the closest similarity I had concerning 616 G,
because like we all know, Galactus helps protect universal consonance,
he has never decided to attempt to destroy the universe, or even a Galaxy for that matter,
Eternity is his father & brother, Infinity his mother & sister.

This is why it took a story where G became an evil weapon,
in order to give us a glimpse of what would happen, if G fell to madness.

Galactus wouldn't do it on his own I'm afraid.

I would leave it open to discussion since it says that his appetite is the thing that was increased and nothing more. There is no point in discussing technicalities and bringing a definition of appetite, its clear than on its own, this feat cannot be used by 616 Galactus.

Clearly it can't be used to dismiss the possibility of Galactus doing this, though.

Originally posted by Bentley
Clearly it can't be used to dismiss the possibility of Galactus doing this, though.

^^I don't know.

While very logical, it's difficult to apply strict conventional debating rules to Galactus, who for practical purposes, is not a conventional character.

The problem here is basically a situation where Galactus is akin to say, Charles Xavier. The Black Celestial Saga is analogous to some external agent removing the physic blocks and restrictions Xavier placed on himself (thus "altering" Xavier, as no where in the Tiamut saga was it stated that Galactus' capacity to absorb enhanced, only his hunger). The resulting story would then go on to feature what xavier is capable of when he cuts loose without restraint, a la the Onslaught story.

Of course the problem now is can you use those same "blood lusted" xavier feats in debates?

Essentially, he has the capability to do the same feats, but it's just not in his character. So that's a gray area when it comes to invoking those type of instances.

I for one believe that we can us the Black Celestial arc if there's a stipulation of "blood lusted" Galactus....however again, the problem is that there's no such character. We just know what he's capable of, if in fact he used his inherent abilities to a much more horrific degree than he already does.

Originally posted by Galan007
here's what the celestial did to galactus...

"as galactus was healing, the master [black celestial] dreamed him whole.... but altered."

"the planet eater has always been hungry. now he would become ravenous as his appetite increased geometrically":

But the power/capacity of absorption was all in Galactus' personal ability.

Again,
616 G has proven he can eat Time-Space (Meph's universe)
616 G stomped Hyperstorm by feeding on the infinite reservoirs of Hyperspace.
(he disconnected himself later on, silly if you ask me, he would've been able to feed for all Eternity,
then again, Galactus would've become a character writers can't use in their stories,
as a popular character, I can see why they did that)

So, imo, if 616 G can eat Time-Space ... and on an infinite scale as shown above,
being able to eat everything, for whatever reason he decided to do so,
isn't a stretch.

This is why as much as a Cosmic as Galactus is,
I hardly debate in threads involving him,
cause he's a restricted character, that for many reason isn't allowed to go all out.

Originally posted by Galan007
here's what the celestial did to galactus...

"as galactus was healing, the master [black celestial] dreamed him whole.... but altered."

"the planet eater has always been hungry. now he would become ravenous as his appetite increased geometrically":

like i said, when galactus does that on his own [ie. when he's not been "altered" by a celestial], it will be a viable tactic for him to use in a battle. then, and only then.

imo.

Interesting. It would seem that he became ravenous because he was altered. It doesn't seem like it was just mental, but physical as well.

Originally posted by Tenebrous

^^I don't know.

While very logical, it's difficult to apply strict conventional debating rules to Galactus, who for practical purposes, is not a conventional character.

The problem here is basically a situation where Galactus is akin to say, Charles Xavier. The Black Celestial Saga is analogous to some external agent removing the physic blocks and restrictions Xavier placed on himself (thus "altering" Xavier, as no where in the Tiamut saga was it stated that Galactus' capacity to absorb enhanced, only his hunger). The resulting story would then go on to feature what xavier is capable of when he cuts loose without restraint, a la the Onslaught story.

Of course the problem now is can you use those same "blood lusted" xavier feats in debates?

Essentially, he has the capability to do the same feats, but it's just not in his character. So that's a gray area when it comes to invoking those type of instances.

I for one believe that we can us the Black Celestial arc if there's a stipulation of "blood lusted" Galactus....however again, the problem is that there's no such character. We just know what he's capable of, if in fact he used his inherent abilities to a much more horrific degree than he already does.

Just wanted to point this out:

"No where in the Tiamut saga
was it stated that Galactus' capacity to absorb enhanced,
only his hunger)"

👆 ... that's a fact.

Originally posted by Avlon
Interesting. It would seem that he became ravenous because he was altered. It doesn't seem like it was just mental, but physical as well.

Not to become all grammatic and stuff, but in that same panel said he became ravenous "as his appetite is increased geometrically". The reason is there, mental or physical it doesn't matter, as the thing altered is still only the apetite, nor his ability to consume.