Scathan vs. Abraxas

Originally posted by Enyalus
Cause your OP scared me. I was all like, "Woah. Is this a trick question?"

Then going through all the billions of possibilities in my head in a nanosecond Surfer-style, and decided my initial opinion was right.

Abraxas is incredibly powerful. Can destroy entire dimensions simply by approaching them. Can wipe a character out of existence from every universe in the omniverse with a simple gesture. And is the omniversal embodiment of destruction.

But, Scathan owned Protege, a being more powerful than the LT, with a gesture. So as powerful as Abraxas is, I don't even think they can compare.

Scathan would simply disapprove of Abraxas' senseless destruction and that would be the end of his trouble.

and that is ur reasoning for a scathan win. first, how is scathan more powerful than LT. Protege is a whiny child. he learns by observing. scathan was there for a reason and that was to observe what was going on thus, protege was not able to copy any of his abilities. He slapped a muzzle on the kids face to prevent him from copying any more abilities. there was no attacks shared between protege and LT.

Zero feats? I guess pwning a being who was more powerful than the LT doesn't count anymore as a feat?

Originally posted by wolvie316
AND I AM HERE!!!! abraxas ftw. and time to instigate. Scathan has almost ZERO feats. I WOULD love to hear how he wins this one

Originally posted by wolvie316
and that is ur reasoning for a scathan win. first, how is scathan more powerful than LT. Protege is a whiny child. he learns by observing. scathan was there for a reason and that was to observe what was going on thus, protege was not able to copy any of his abilities. He slapped a muzzle on the kids face to prevent him from copying any more abilities. there was no attacks shared between protege and LT.

Protege had all of the LT's abilities, Hawkgod's, Eternity's, Mephisto (IIRC), etc. Which makes him more powerful than the LT. Especially since LT thought he'd need an amulet to boost his power in order to defeat Protege.

That being said, Scathan renders all of his powers and abilities useless with a simple gesture after fighting off Protege's reality warp, and physically overpowers him.

Really, what is Abraxas going to be able to do? 'Nothing' is the answer you're looking for here.

Abraxas only has 2 impressive feats. Killing off alternate reality Galactuses and kissing Roma to death.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Abraxas only has 2 impressive feats. Killing off alternate reality Galactuses and kissing Roma to death.

LOL...That last was awesome.

Killing off every Reed Richards at once was neat, too. He can also collapse entire universes/dimensions with ease.

I don't recall that happening. I remember someone mentioning that the barriers between dimensions blurred when he approached.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I don't recall that happening. I remember someone mentioning that the barriers between dimensions blurred when he approached.

Yeah. That's what happens. Dimensions collapse into themselves simply by him approaching.

That sounds more like 2 dimensions becoming 1.

Which was what basically happened when that alternate Hulk entered the 616 uni and thought the FF were the U-foes.

Collapse as in being destroyed, I assume.

That's what I would assume it means as well, nothing that was said implied that though. If he could do that he wouldn't have needed the UN.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Protege had all of the LT's abilities, Hawkgod's, Eternity's, Mephisto (IIRC), etc. Which makes him more powerful than the LT. Especially since LT thought he'd need an amulet to boost his power in order to defeat Protege.

That being said, Scathan renders all of his powers and abilities useless with a simple gesture after fighting off Protege's reality warp, and physically overpowers him.

Really, what is Abraxas going to be able to do? 'Nothing' is the answer you're looking for here.

Reality warp??? WHAT!!! what reality warp. did u guys read the same thing i did. first off in order for protege to learn a new power he had to observe it. im new here so i dont know how to post scans yet. this was mentioned several times in the series. LT, Eternity and others did not display all of their powers if any at all. while the beyonder was observing protege's conversation with mephisto he said that he was foolish and let protege copy some of his powers....but not all of them (im paraphrasing). then later on protege had told the beyonder to be silent so he can concentrate on duplicating the power displays he had observed thus far. thus far strongly implies that he had not duplicate all of their powers and he would have to see LT's, eternity's etc powerset in action in order to actually duplicate it and unless im crazy and missed something, their entire powerset was not displayed. also, when protege was about to engage in battle against LT, Eternity and hawk god that is when scathan stepped in with a blast to get everyone's attention. that was the only blast fired in that particular confrontation. the muzzle was applied so he would be incapable of observing any more power displays. and As i said before, scathan was only there to observe meaning he took no action which is why protege didn't copy any of his abilities. scathan was the wildcard and LT and Eternity knew this. why do you think the hawk god kept on asking why was scathan standing there and wouldn't help. if he took any type of action, then protege would've been able to copy his abilities as well. he stepped in at the very last second and stopped what was about to go down. if scathan had pwned him then there would be no need for a muzzle. it was applied for a reason. if he had copied every body else's powers then there wouldn't have been a need for a muzzle.
apparently many people here made up stuff in their own mind on how things went down. haha reality warp. yea right. when did that happen. read the comic again and this time analyze it fully. its up to you guys whether u want to agree with what makes sense or continue to believe what somebody shoved into your head and make you believe that Scathan is actually more powerful than the living tribunal...ask urself how much sense does that make.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Zero feats? I guess pwning a being who was more powerful than the LT doesn't count anymore as a feat?

stop making stuff up. nowhere did it ever say protege was more powerful than LT. there is zero proof to back it up seeing that there was no attack from one to the other to even consider saying that

So he just copied the LT's appearance? Does it say anywhere that Protege copies appearances?

Fail again.

LMAO, copying appearances.

Originally posted by wolvie316
Reality warp??? WHAT!!! what reality warp. did u guys read the same thing i did. first off in order for protege to learn a new power he had to observe it. im new here so i dont know how to post scans yet. this was mentioned several times in the series. LT, Eternity and others did not display all of their powers if any at all. while the beyonder was observing protege's conversation with mephisto he said that he was foolish and let protege copy some of his powers....but not all of them (im paraphrasing). then later on protege had told the beyonder to be silent so he can concentrate on duplicating the power displays he had observed thus far. thus far strongly implies that he had not duplicate all of their powers and he would have to see LT's, eternity's etc powerset in action in order to actually duplicate it and unless im crazy and missed something, their entire powerset was not displayed. also, when protege was about to engage in battle against LT, Eternity and hawk god that is when scathan stepped in with a blast to get everyone's attention. that was the only blast fired in that particular confrontation. the muzzle was applied so he would be incapable of observing any more power displays. and As i said before, scathan was only there to observe meaning he took no action which is why protege didn't copy any of his abilities. scathan was the wildcard and LT and Eternity knew this. why do you think the hawk god kept on asking why was scathan standing there and wouldn't help. if he took any type of action, then protege would've been able to copy his abilities as well. he stepped in at the very last second and stopped what was about to go down. if scathan had pwned him then there would be no need for a muzzle. it was applied for a reason. if he had copied every body else's powers then there wouldn't have been a need for a muzzle.
apparently many people here made up stuff in their own mind on how things went down. haha reality warp. yea right. when did that happen. read the comic again and this time analyze it fully. its up to you guys whether u want to agree with what makes sense or continue to believe what somebody shoved into your head and make you believe that Scathan is actually more powerful than the living tribunal...ask urself how much sense does that make.

Reality warp. Yeah. Right after Protege proclaims himself the new LT and God. And ask yourself if, by your own assertion, Scathan was the "wildcard" which the Living Tribunal was relying upon, what hope does Abraxas have of overcoming him?

Also, you seem to be under the erroneous conclusion that because Scathan used a muzzle to nullify him instead of blasting or punching him into submission that he isn't powerful. Which is false. Protege was more powerful than the LT, and Scathan nullifies that power and binds him with one gesture.

Abraxas is going to have an answer for that how?

Originally posted by Mindset
LMAO, copying appearances.

Lol exactly what i was gonna say. that proves everything right there

Originally posted by Enyalus
Reality warp. Yeah. Right after Protege proclaims himself the new LT and God. And ask yourself if, by your own assertion, Scathan was the "wildcard" which the [b]Living Tribunal was relying upon, what hope does Abraxas have of overcoming him?

Also, you seem to be under the erroneous conclusion that because Scathan used a muzzle to nullify him instead of blasting or punching him into submission that he isn't powerful. Which is false. Protege was more powerful than the LT, and Scathan nullifies that power and binds him with one gesture.

Abraxas is going to have an answer for that how? [/B]

well u seemed to have missed my point. protege wasn't able to copy any of his abilities. a fight between abraxas and scathan is gonna be different. putting a muzzle on abraxas would do absolutely nothing because copying powers isn't his thing. its useless here. both beings are going to rely on their powers and the celestial is extremely outclassed here. and defeating protege with a gesture. seriously where are u guys coming up with this stuff. he was able to subdue protege because as i said, the didn't duplicate the entire power sets of LT and eternity. if he did then the battle would've been much more than that. the muzzle came into play to prevent all of that.

Originally posted by wolvie316
well u seemed to have missed my point.

No, I was just hoping it was better than what I thought. Turns out, it isn't.

Originally posted by wolvie316
putting a muzzle on abraxas would do absolutely nothing because copying powers isn't his thing. its useless here.

The muzzle stopped him from copying powers and using them - hence why he wasn't able to break out of the muzzle or kill Scathan or anyone else afterwards, and why he is physically overpowered once the muzzle is applied.

Originally posted by wolvie316
both beings are going to rely on their powers and the celestial is extremely outclassed here.

Celestials have enough power to make Galactus afraid, on their own. Scathan has that kind of power plus the ability to nullify anyone's abilities with a gesture. I ask again - how does Abraxas overcome that?

Originally posted by wolvie316
and defeating protege with a gesture. seriously where are u guys coming up with this stuff.

Comics. Do you read them?

Originally posted by wolvie316
he was able to subdue protege because as i said, the didn't duplicate the entire power sets of LT and eternity.

So he just has the Tri-Faces of the LT because they look cool? He declares himself God in front of LT and Eternity for no reason? He declares he's going to remake the Marvel Universe in his image for shits and giggles? LT asks for an amulet boost for no apparent reason?

No - Protege had all of LT's, Eternity's, Hawk God's, Mephisto's, etc. powers.

Originally posted by wolvie316
if he did then the battle would've been much more than that. the muzzle came into play to prevent all of that.

Yeah, exactly. The muzzle came into play and prevented Protege from becoming the new god of the MU. It was able to stop Protege when no one else could. Abraxas is sorely outclassed.

Originally posted by wolvie316

how is scathan more powerful than LT.