TPM Qui-Gon vs ROTS Obi Wan

I've heard that Qui-Gon was equal to Mace Windu at the time of TPM. I was wondering if ROTS Kenobi could take on his master.
What do you think?

1. Lightsaber Battle

2. Force Battle

3. All-Out

The battle will take place in a flat area, something like the Geonosian Arena. Combatants will start a good distance apart from eachother for each round. For the lightsaber battle, they may use the force to enhance their speed, strenght, etc., but cannot use force attacks.

I'd like to call a Qui-Gon victory, because he's cool, but Kenobi is just better. His soresu would tool Ataru. I just don't see Kenobi taking less that 7/10.

I think Qui-Gon would put up a good match. He is a jedi master, and a good one too. As i said before, it is also stated that he is as powerful as mace.

Originally posted by skywalker833
I think Qui-Gon would put up a good match. He is a jedi master, and a good one too. As i said before, it is also stated that he is as powerful as mace.

That's true, but I don't think that he could breech Obi-Wan's defense: 20 strikes/second is probably beyond him.

I know he probably won't win, I am just giving you facts that may help him a bit in battle.

Ataru is acrobatic moves and force-powered speed duel. Not just 20 strikes/second. Qui-Gon wins this. Even Obi cannot win against Anakin if it's a plain battlefield and no terrain advantage. And this is on Geonosian Plain, it means + for Qui-Gon.

1. Saber = Qui-Gon 8/10
2. Force = Tie
3. All out = Qui-Gon 8/10

Are you serious?
Qui-Gon would put up a good fight, but he can't defeat obi-wan
1. Obi wan-Obi wan can block 20 strikes per second, qui gon can't touch him.
2. Qui gon-would be close
3. Obi wan-Due to obi's superiority in lightsabers he wins all out

So you say Obi-Wan ROTS can defeat TPM Windu?

Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
Ataru is acrobatic moves and force-powered speed duel. Not just 20 strikes/second.

Originally posted by Ultimate Vader

Qui-Gon wins this. Even Obi cannot win against Anakin if it's a plain battlefield and no terrain advantage. And this is on Geonosian Plain, it means + for Qui-Gon.

More to the point, we were not talking about Anakin. We were talking about Qui-Gon.

Originally posted by Ultimate Vader

1. Saber = Qui-Gon 8/10
2. Force = Tie
3. All out = Qui-Gon 8/10

Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
So you say Obi-Wan ROTS can defeat TPM Windu?

1. This is a false analogy. Substitution in this case is not valid, because Jinn is not the same as Windu.

2. He most likely could beat Windu.

TPM Qui Gonn is noted to have declined since the time he sparred with Mace, who likewise had gotten stronger. so TPM Qui Gonn != TPM Mace. It was a different time when they had been even.

I think that QGJ's force use in combat is pretty much unknown, so we pretty much have to give it to Kenobi, because he at least DID force push anakin once, and dropped a crate on the Magnaguards.
The Lightsaber duel should be clear. THE MASTER of the classic form is pretty descriptive.

However, i believe QGJ to be sold short by his stay in the PT, namely because he dies so fast. i'm going to say they would be close for this reason.

Sabers: Obi 7/10
Force Obi- 6/10
All-Out Obi-6/10

Sabers: Obi 7/10
Force Obi- 6/10
All-Out Obi-6/10

I can agree with that.

Originally posted by truejedi
TPM Qui Gonn is noted to have declined since the time he sparred with Mace, who likewise had gotten stronger. so TPM Qui Gonn != TPM Mace. It was a different time when they had been even.

I think that QGJ's force use in combat is pretty much unknown, so we pretty much have to give it to Kenobi, because he at least DID force push anakin once, and dropped a crate on the Magnaguards.
The Lightsaber duel should be clear. THE MASTER of the classic form is pretty descriptive.

However, i believe QGJ to be sold short by his stay in the PT, namely because he dies so fast. i'm going to say they would be close for this reason.

Sabers: Obi 7/10
Force Obi- 6/10
All-Out Obi-6/10

I just checked and it said that neither of them outdueled eachother, but if quigon was younger he could win. So at tpm, they were equal.

hmm Qui-Gon must have been a Very High Level Master of Ataru to match Mace (a high level master of multiple forms)..

they used to draw while sparring, but in an all out fight Mace would win as he has a better stamina.. We saw against his fight with Maul that Qui-Gon's age was getting to him as he tired easily.

Obi-Wan's defenses were overloaded at 20 strikes per second, so no - he can't block at that rate. Nonetheless, if Dooku couldn't penetrate his saber defenses, Qui-Gon won't be able to.

I do think Qui-Gon takes a small majority in the Force fight, though, thanks to him being deeply attuned to the Living Force.

And all out goes to Obi-Wan still.

I disagree simply to be a prick.

And I don't care at all about your opinion, simply to carbon-copy your innate prickness. 😛

Go post at my Orinda campaign thread. Now.

Yes, sir.

Obi wan pwns quigon in all 3 categories

sabers: if this is TPM qui-gon then he goes down, he is past his physical prime but qui-gon is still in his. lets note that only after a short duel on tatooine with maul, qui-gon was exhausted. but obi wan kept up with anakin for a much longer time and it took much longer to exhaust him.

force: obi wan stalemated vader, if you can find me something as awesome that quigon did please notify me but for now i dont see obi wan losing this.

all out: obi wam took grevious apart in under a minute and withstood a 10 minute onslaught from vader and still came out on top. qui gon isnt nearly as awesome, he goes down fast