Count Dooku's victories against Obi-Wan

Started by skywalker8333 pages

the point is he HASN'T. imo, people underestimate obi when it comes to him and dooku.

It's true.

His highlights from the CW is, from my memory only and I'm sure I'm missing some things:

Running from Yoda even though he had every situational advantage.

Beating GG and Ventress, both of whom are inferior to Obi-Wan's level by RotS.

Running from Mace.

Fighting Anakin again, though he wasn't dominating him in sabers like he did the first time.

Getting beheaded.

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Originally posted by skywalker833
lol. first day on kmc, I made five threads, people got pissed... good times.

i made 1...people got pissed...i guess some members don't really grasp that fact that making threads is what forums are actually for

saying that...i've only made about 20-30 threads in the entire time i've been here

i think i've made about 20 on all 4 star wars forums. (though there were more star wars forums back when i started.) It doesn't make sense either, sometimes the dumbest threads get pages of replies, while well-thought out questions gets 20 views and 2 replies. (see the top 10 most powerful jedi/sith thread) how many threads like that have we already had?

Originally posted by skywalker833
the point is he HASN'T. imo, people underestimate obi when it comes to him and dooku.

Don't you think that pure saber skills are somewhat moot when one guy can pwn the other with the force, regardless?

Mostly. But I think obi wan has more power in the force than what people think he has.

How much power do they think he has? My impression is that he has a good grip on the force and is an expert swordsman.

But Dooku is simply a badass who has had many more years than Kenobi to refine his technique whilst also having the benefit of Sith teachings.

And as we've seen from Obi-Wan vs. Maul, Anakin vs. Dooku, Luke vs. Vader, Vader vs. Galen, all of Kyle Katarn’s duels in Jedi Outcast and more, age and years counts for basically shit in the Star Wars universe.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And as we've seen from Obi-Wan vs. Maul, Anakin vs. Dooku, Luke vs. Vader, Vader vs. Galen, all of Kyle Katarn’s duels in Jedi Outcast and more, age and years counts for basically shit in the Star Wars universe.

Would you say that any version of Dooku could have owned Kenobi in such fashion?

I am asking you because I am unsure.

It is best to base answers on probability.

What fashion, which fight?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
What fashion, which fight?

A non existent fight.

On random terrain.

As for fashion, it would be the fashion in which he disposed of him on the Invisible Hand.

Do you mean the force toss?

No.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Do you mean the force toss?

No.

Yes, that is what I meant.

Thanks.

I have read some EU material but not all of the relevant material.

Originally posted by skywalker833
I actually agree with you. Obi-Wan is the master of soresu. Dooku has never penetrated obi wan's 20 strike defense.

Obi-Wan does not have a '20 strike defence.' The line states:

"at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defence."

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
It's true.

His highlights from the CW is, from my memory only and I'm sure I'm missing some things:

Running from Yoda even though he had every situational advantage.

yes so loosing to the "Most Devastatingly Powerful Opponent the Darkness had ever known" ROTS novel, is somehow supposed to make Dooku weak??? The fact that he was even able to Compete against Yoda on neutral ground in AOTC is a bigger feat than the Vast Majority of Jedis would ever be capable of including Obi1.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Beating GG and Ventress, both of whom are inferior to Obi-Wan's level by RotS.

When Obi1 can put Ventress to the floor by simply lifting a finger is the day you can compare Obi1 to Dooku.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Running from Mace..

You mean a Strategic Retreat after clearly matching Mace in sabers alone. and you do realise that Sidious attempted to run from Yoda right?? so your point exactly??

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Fighting Anakin again, though he wasn't dominating him in sabers like he did the first time...

He was quite equal to the Chosen One in Sabers during CW but was clearly far superior in the Force, putting him on his ass twice using the Force. Though Anakin seemed physically stronger putting Dooku on his ass once via a kick.

and you do realise The Chosen One was already Knighted by that point right??

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Getting beheaded.
😬

By the end of a fight which started with Dooku dominating both ObiWan and Anakin simultaneously.

Here is my take

in aotc, lucas needed to find a way to have anakin get a 1on 1 with dooku in which he gets pwnt to harken back to the esb duel, and the only way that could happen is if obi wan is decomissioned so his defeat was merely a plot device
which when you stop and think about it maked no sense because if he was able to talk, and use the force to pick up a lightsaber and throw it, why not get up and join the fight, and why would he give anakin 2 blades anyway? he as anakin's master should know that anakin doesnt know jar kai only shien
but anyway obi wan's defeat in episode 3 was done for the same reason, to give anakin a 1 on 1 with dooku where he is tempted by the emporor who is sitting in a chair to kill a sith lord, which is meant to pay homage to luke's expirience in rotj

imho in reality obi wan wouldnt go down so easily, lucas just needed a plot device

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]yes so loosing to the "Most Devastatingly Powerful Opponent the Darkness had ever known" ROTS novel, is somehow supposed to make Dooku weak???

No, but it doesn't make him "strong" either.

The fact that he was even able to Compete against Yoda on neutral ground in AOTC is a bigger feat than the Vast Majority of Jedis would ever be capable of including Obi1.

Except they weren't on equal ground. Every time Yoda and Dooku fought Yoda was holding back, and the second time they fought theywere fighting on a planet that was so steeped in the dark side that it gave him a power boost, yet he still couldn't win.

When Obi1 can put Ventress to the floor by simply lifting a finger is the day you can compare Obi1 to Dooku.

When Dooku can stalemate the chosen the one in a force duel or send a cyborg flying hundreds of feet you can call me. 🙂

You mean a Strategic Retreat after clearly matching Mace in sabers alone.

No, thats not what I meant. I meant what I said, Dooku ran. You're claiming that they were "matched"? Prove it.

and you do realise that Sidious attempted to run from Yoda right?? so your point exactly??

And Yoda was beggining to overpower Sideous as the fight went on. What are you saying?

He was quite equal to the Chosen One in Sabers during CW but was clearly far superior in the Force, putting him on his ass twice using the Force. Though Anakin seemed physically stronger putting Dooku on his ass once via a kick.

and you do realise The Chosen One was already Knighted by that point right??

Relevence?

By the end of a fight which started with Dooku dominating both ObiWan and Anakin simultaneously.

And then ended when Anakin went all otu and got "in teh zone", at which point Dooku got his ass whooped near effortlessly?

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which when you stop and think about it maked no sense because if he was able to talk, and use the force to pick up a lightsaber and throw it, why not get up and join the fight, and why would he give anakin 2 blades anyway? he as anakin's master should know that anakin doesnt know jar kai only shien
Because throwing someone a two-pound metal bar is the same as jumping up and effectively fighting one of the greatest and most powerful swordsmen in history?

but anyway obi wan's defeat in episode 3 was done for the same reason, to give anakin a 1 on 1 with dooku where he is tempted by the emporor who is sitting in a chair to kill a sith lord, which is meant to pay homage to luke's expirience in rotj

imho in reality obi wan wouldnt go down so easily, lucas just needed a plot device

Duh. Everything's a plot device.

Doesn't mean it didn't happen, or is somehow less relevant.

"hundreds of feat" was an exaggeration. 😐

I've been on here for 3-4 years now and i've seen just about every character go from being awesome to not so great to uber and back again.

as of right now I say that the people on here don't give obi-wan enough credit in just about everything. That's all i'm going to say about kenobi.