Originally posted by Avlon
Check the post again. I had edited it.And your argument doesn't make sense here. Matrix is nowhere near as fast as a native kryptonian and yet she can do the same thing Gladiator can. Flying across Galaxies at FTL speeds is something herald level characters should be doing natively anyway.
I have a question for you avlon, honestly, even though I disagree with you a lot you are one of the best debators on the forum and when there is proof needed you always back it up with a scan.
My question is: what is your definition of a herald. What I mean is, not using non of galactus heralds, what reasons are there that you would name a character to be low herald level, middle, or high herald.
Originally posted by carver9
Matrix isnt in this argument, I asked you to show me superman or wonder woman doing it. I'm not trying to get smart or anything but that would lead us off of topic.
Superman Flew Wonder Woman to the sun in seconds? That is like far faster than light.
And Wonder Woman has Moved at FTL speed.
When she was blocking the shattered god's attack and when she entered the speedforce.
Originally posted by fangirl101
What are you talking about?Superman Flew Wonder Woman to the sun in seconds? That is like far faster than light.
And Wonder Woman has Moved at FTL speed.
When she was blocking the shattered god's attack and when she entered the speedforce.
Read my post on the previous page and it should answer this question.
Originally posted by carver9
I have a question for you avlon, honestly, even though I disagree with you a lot you are one of the best debators on the forum and when there is proof needed you always back it up with a scan.My question is: what is your definition of a herald. What I mean is, not using non of galactus heralds, what reasons are there that you would name a character to be low herald level, middle, or high herald.
Gracias.
Honestly, It depends on the character. Terrax or low end GL's are what I would start the herald levelers for different reasons.
Mid and high is more of a who's beaten who type of thing.
Originally posted by Avlon
Gracias.Honestly, It depends on the character. Terrax or low end GL's are what I would start the herald levelers for different reasons.
Mid and high is more of a who's beaten who type of thing.
So you base mid and high heralds off of who a character beat or versatility because if thats the case vision should be high herald since he stalemated surfer. Terrax should be high herald also since he beat morg on panel and stalemated him during the tyrant battle.
The next step above high herald is skyfather, so is thanos a skyfather level being since he basically walk through high heralds or is high herald level character based off of versatility and power. 😄
If we go by who people beat then hulk is a high herald easily.
Originally posted by carver9
Read my post on the previous page and it should answer this question.
Look in highlights of fights and skills near the bottom. Superman clearly blitzes Wonder Woman to very close to the surface of the sun in seconds.
Originally posted by carver9
So you base mid and high heralds off of who a character beat or versatility because if thats the case vision should be high herald since he stalemated surfer. Terrax should be high herald also since he beat morg on panel and stalemated him during the tyrant battle.The next step above high herald is skyfather, so is thanos a skyfather level being since he basically walk through high heralds or is high herald level character based off of versatility and power. 😄
If we go by who people beat then hulk is a high herald easily.
Originally posted by fangirl101
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=495714&pagenumber=2Look in highlights of fights and skills near the bottom. Superman clearly blitzes Wonder Woman to very close to the surface of the sun in seconds.
Good job on the wonder woman thread, that look a lot better then the previous one.
It never showed how fast they got there and a lot was going on during the time they were flying there.
A question I ask again, how did max lord who has human reflexes see a fight at the speed of light from the beginning to the end. Its just that simple, your only answer for his is that max lord has super speed and then you have to prove that.
Originally posted by carver9
Good job on the wonder woman thread, that look a lot better then the previous one.It never showed how fast they got there and a lot was going on during the time they were flying there.
A question I ask again, how did max lord who has human reflexes see a fight at the speed of light from the beginning to the end. Its just that simple, your only answer for his is that max lord has super speed and then you have to prove that.
Originally posted by carver9That's almost worse...
Where did it say that it was colossus that put the scratch on him, it could have been all those thousands of tons that fell on top of them that did it.
Besides, that's why I also said Gambit.
Originally posted by carver9If you were hurting, then you'd be damaged... if I was damaged, then I'd usually be hurt.
Do you know what the word damage means, hurt and damage are two different things. I can be hurting but not have a scratch on me from a punch. In none of those scans that you showed, hyperion had no damage at all except the one where he gets cut but hell, I dont know a being that could withstand those blades.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor has fought hyperion on too many of occasions, hulk fought hyperion along with wonderman and he never had a scratch on him. I agree, hes not invulnerable but he is close as hell.
Originally posted by carver9I never said I'd do either, or even hinted at Supes being capable of so.
I agree with this statement and I dont have anything to say behind it but I would love for you to show me a scan of superman blitzing at the speed of sound or the speed of light; your chose.
Although, he did blitz Ultraman and friends in Trinity at at least the speed sound (sonic boom).
Originally posted by carver9Or it was because he was way too powerful for Vulcan...
Again, gladiator is a brawler and he dont mind getting dirty. I just think that was something that he did because he had to do it, hell vulcan almost killed the entire shiar empire.
Originally posted by carver9Because you brought up people thinking he could do anything, when he obviously can't. Hyperbole, no need to try and back it up.
How did galactus get into this. Champion had unlimited strength when he possessed the power gem. Do you think that he can punch galactus off of a planet. I never said that he was the most powerful being in the universe, the only thing that I put up was on panel proof saying that he's one of the strongest beings in the universe and the narrator saying that he is a god. Dont argue with me, fuss with marvel.
I'm arguing with you, because you think it's some sort of proof. You brought it up, so yes, it is you.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Max is a telepath. Telepath's are notorious for seeing stuff thru other's eyes. And their fight was under two minutes. And Wonder Woman talks about how she blinks out. Superman was right on top of her. They had to be moving far far faster than light speed in order for the battle to be under two minutes. She even calls on birds,(which takes time because they don't move at superspeed). He's injured and has to get up. among other things happening. And thanks. I tried to just organize the thread more.
So the birds move at super speed to huh and again max lord was looking at this on a monitor, there was no telepathy involved. Please show me where you are getting this from.
With the way you got that respect thread set up with wonder woman, its making her look like one of the most powerful top tiers out there. Some of the things that you posted I never seen. Wonder woman is a beast and she IS one of the strongest in dc.
Originally posted by carver9
So the birds move at super speed to huh and again max lord was looking at this on a monitor, there was no telepathy involved. Please show me where you are getting this from.With the way you got that respect thread set up with wonder woman, its making her look like one of the most powerful top tiers out there. Some of the things that you posted I never seen. Wonder woman is a beast and she IS one of the strongest in dc.
Originally posted by fangirl101
No. I'm saying that once Superman was injured, the birds moved in at their regular speed. So all things considered, when they were fighting, they had to be fighting at superspeeds. If you factor in the birds, that should have taken at least 30-45 seconds for them all to gather in front of supers. He took a couple of seconds to get up after she kicked him. There is no way they could have been doing anything other than fighting at Superspeeds with the trip to the sun and back.
The first thing Im going to ask is that if they were fighting in light speed what happened to the debris from this rock that he crushed. If they was moving at the speed of light then the debris from the rocks would still be in the air sitting there.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1230187_job79wa/
2nd thing that I want to know is that, we have wonder woman kicking superman down and then having bird attack him. She then fly off to get max lord. Why did it take superman so long to get there. Going the speed of light it would have taken him mere seconds to get to max lords castle.
Originally posted by carver9
The first thing Im going to ask is that if they were fighting in light speed what happened to the debris from this rock that he crushed. If they was moving at the speed of light then the debris from the rocks would still be in the air sitting there.http://www.picamatic.com/view/1230187_job79wa/
2nd thing that I want to know is that, we have wonder woman kicking superman down and then having bird attack him. She then fly off to get max lord. Why did it take superman so long to get there. Going the speed of light it would have taken him mere seconds to get to max lords castle.