The Primal Monitor Vs The Living Tribunal

Why?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yet you have contradicted yourself many times all the while not knowing anything about these characters that are pitted against the LT but still blabbing how LT stomps. PM wins without a doubt

i've never contradicted myself, not one time.

while at the same time, i've exposed you terribly. I believe in pages 2-4 that was brought into the light for everyone to see

let me remind you how in other threads you say Presence is Supreme, yet in this one now PM is supreme

you just want DC to be supreme and only accept PM as above the Presence because he's in DC, it's obvious. which is okay, we now know you are a dc fanboy, probably had a batman lunchbox and everything growing up

and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just LT still stomps

Originally posted by Jynocidus
i've never contradicted myself, not one time.

while at the same time, i've exposed you terribly. I believe in pages 2-4 that was brought into the light for everyone to see

let me remind you how in other threads you say Presence is Supreme, yet in this one now PM is supreme

you just want DC to be supreme and only accept PM as above the Presence because he's in DC, it's obvious. which is okay, we now know you are a dc fanboy, probably had a batman lunchbox and everything growing up

and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just LT still stomps

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, so in your very own post, you agree that there are two definitions of omnipotence, one of which is that it means having very great [b]OR unlimited power.

And then in the next sentence, argue that someone CAN'T be a little less omnipotent?

Why not, especially if you take the second definition, i.e. being omnipotent means having very great power? Because if you use this definition, then yes, you can have two omnipotent beings, as they both have very great power.

And to be honest, I do actually get what you're trying to say, about necessity etc. One of LT's aspects is that he represents Necessity, therefore if anyone (either DC, Marvel, Image, Dark Horse, the Twilight series, Back to the Future, Dr Who, whatever) has to do SOMETHING as necessitated by plot, therefore, it is because the LT has made it so, am I reading you right? [/B]

You are the best poster on KMC besides me.

Edit: Goddammit iceman. This is to Jyonicidus.

Oh, and all the PM did is reveal that the Presence isn't supreme (Unless you subscribe to the notion that they are in fact the same entity).

Originally posted by iceman24567
You also claimed if anybody is omnipotent its the LT even though he answer to somebody 😆 I can find the post if you want. Also the Presence is supreme there are various comics that show this but Final Crisis also shows another being beyond that its not my contradiction i didn't **** up DC continuity. PM stomps

to other fictional characters, LT should seem omnipotent to them. so that justifies my statement "if anyone is omnipotent, it's LT". can't contradict me.

i mean, think about it. barring TOAA, if LT is the strongest...the most capable.....he is omnipotent in the fictional world. his omnipotence is only superseded by the writer/gods representation (toaa). that is not a dumb statement, you're just not aware enough to catch it because you've been blinded all of this time.

and you just said more nonsense yourself. "presence is supreme, BUT"...man f that. You either are one with/created everything, or you are of creation. PM and Presence are of creation -- and in worst case scenario, they are NOT the same being as TOAA. The most powerful creation IS necessity -- combined with equity and vengeance, it's MORE omnipotent than the both of them. LT is "virtually" omnipotent.

Even with the rules in place, this is a neutral setting. LT vs PM. look at their powers:

LT - Necessity, Equity, Vengeance, this counts anywhere

PM - big enough to watch a single continuity, this counts anywhere. pales in comparison to LT

LT stomps

Originally posted by Jynocidus
to other fictional characters, LT should seem omnipotent to them. so that justifies my statement "if anyone is omnipotent, it's LT". can't contradict me.

i mean, think about it. barring TOAA, if LT is the strongest...the most capable.....he is omnipotent in the fictional world. his omnipotence is only superseded by the writer/gods representation (toaa). that is not a dumb statement, you're just not aware enough to catch it because you've been blinded all of this time.

and you just said more nonsense yourself. "presence is supreme, BUT"...man f that. You either are one with/created everything, or you are of creation. PM and Presence are of creation -- and in worst case scenario, they are NOT the same being as TOAA. The most powerful creation IS necessity -- combined with equity and vengeance, it's MORE omnipotent than the both of them. LT is "virtually" omnipotent.

Even with the rules in place, this is a neutral setting. LT vs PM. look at their powers:

LT - Necessity, Equity, Vengeance, this counts anywhere

PM - big enough to watch a single continuity, this counts anywhere. pales in comparison to LT

LT stomps

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah the ONLY continuity in DC is part of him but so small he didn't even notice that is enough for me to say the PM stomps in a neutral setting

nice opinion but LT stomps buddy

a single continuity is nothing when there are many, that all ultimately yield to necessity whether you like it or not. every continuity doesn't yield to PM, just DC

LT literally dwarfs PM in capability this is in no doubt what people call a wtfstomp

LT winning here or not is of no concern to me.

But I'd like to add this:

PM saw the DC Multiverse as a germ sized thing.

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LT holds the power of Two MegaverseS: (like action figures in the hand of a child)

On the other hand,
the LT spins the Wheel of Destiny which the Alpha & Omega revolves on:

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That may not mean much to whoever,
but the LT is "fashioning" the creators of freaking MegaverseS in his hand!
He is also twirling around the beginning/end of the Omniverse in his other hand.

Aside from TOAA's power, and Protege who achieved mankind's "God" potential prematurely,
along with Scathan who was sent to stop Protege,
the LT really is a monster that's been downplayed in this thread somewhat.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT winning here or not is of no concern to me.

But I'd like to add this:

PM saw the DC Multiverse as a germ sized thing.

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LT holds the power of Two MegaverseS: (like action figures in the hand of a child)

On the other hand,
the [b]LT spins the Wheel of Destiny which the Alpha & Omega revolves on:

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That may not mean much to whoever,
but the LT is "fashioning" the creators of freaking MegaverseS in his hand!
He is also twirling around the beginning/end of the Omniverse in his other hand.

Aside from TOAA's power, and Protege who achieved mankind's "God" potential prematurely,
along with Scathan who was sent to stop Protege,
the LT really is a monster that's been downplayed in this thread somewhat. [/B]

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nobody denied this but if the PM was retconned into being the DC's equivalent of TOAA he should win in a neutral setting

that's a big if.

i'm going to assume PM is still a fictional character, and therefore is not above the LT in any way. hell, LT probably observes PM like PM observes DC. blame the creators i guess.

maybe marvel learned their lesson with PR Beyonder and that's partially why things are the way they are now. at least, in marvel anyway

Originally posted by Jynocidus
nice opinion but LT stomps buddy

a single continuity is nothing when there are many, that all ultimately yield to necessity whether you like it or not. every continuity doesn't yield to PM, just DC

LT literally dwarfs PM in capability this is in no doubt what people call a wtfstomp

Originally posted by abhilegend
LT watches over MU. It has no authority over its region which is marvel comics. It is the avatar of necessity in MU while he doesn't even exist in other omniverses. PM crushes LT like a bug. You are just another marvel fanboy trolling internet.

in a vs thread, LT has authority over his opponent.

don't be mad

I'm not trolling, i'm speaking truth

LT stomps

Originally posted by iceman24567

Nobody denied this but if the PM was retconned into being the DC's
equivalent of TOAA he should win in a neutral setting

Otherwise, the PM is beneath the concept of TOAA as we already know the Presence is.

In DC, Animal Man's portrayal and the Carlin bit are what TOAA is in Marvel.

THOTI is what equates to absolute "supreme being" status in Marvel.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
that's a big if.

i'm going to assume PM is still a fictional character, and therefore is not above the LT in any way. hell, LT probably observes PM like PM observes DC. blame the creators i guess.

maybe marvel learned their lesson with PR Beyonder and that's partially why things are the way they are now. at least, in marvel anyway

Originally posted by Jynocidus
that's a big if.

i'm going to assume PM is still a fictional character, and therefore is not above the LT in any way. hell, LT probably observes PM like PM observes DC. blame the creators i guess.

maybe marvel learned their lesson with PR Beyonder and that's partially why things are the way they are now. at least, in marvel anyway

Originally posted by abhilegend

LT watches over MU. It has no authority over its region which is
marvel comics. It is the avatar of necessity in MU while he doesn't
even exist in other omniverses.

PM crushes LT like a bug.

Because in that case the PM is just as meaningless
since he doesn't exist in Marvel either. (or other omniverses for that matter)

Originally posted by Jynocidus
in a vs thread, LT has authority over his opponent.

don't be mad

I'm not trolling, i'm speaking truth

LT stomps

Originally posted by Mr Master
But surely you're not basing the LT not existing in DC (other omniverses)
as a basis for the PM stomping him?

Because in that case the PM is just as meaningless
since he doesn't exist in Marvel either. (or other omniverses for that matter)

Originally posted by abhilegend
This forum isn't a property of marvel comics so he doesn't. PM crushes LT like a bacteria.

it's definitely not property of DC either.

not only that, but when broken down PM does not automatically overpower something capable of being its equal ( with only 1/3rd its being at that )

and moral of the story is, LT stomps

Originally posted by abhilegend

You want to prove that LT exists in DC, post a proof.

How did you interpret what I posted as stating that the LT has anything to do with DC?

I clearly said neither of them have any influence over their respective realities.

That goes for every other character as well, goof cross/overs aside.