The Primal Monitor Vs The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Jynocidus
you just want me to say PM wins so I can fit in with the DC underwear club

well guess what? it ain't happening

DC's abstract hierarchy is atrocious, and none of them are more significant that necessity. and it's a logical conclusion as opposed to your fanboy ones.

pc out til tomorrow this time foreal

Originally posted by ares834
lol wut?

😂

Maybe you should read Marvel: The End.

Obviously thay aren't all truly omnipotent... But that's irrelevant as LT isn't either as he too has superiors.

Originally posted by abhilegend You can say whatever you want. Don't be a ***** and a crybaby when others disagree.

hes an obvious troll.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
hes an obvious troll.

lol, please. you're the one who starts a lot of spite threads purposefully leaving people off of marvels team, hoping nobody says anything because most of the people that reply are either blind, dc fanboys, or both. i just pulled your card by stating the obvious that LT stomps, just because i go against "the grain" by not agreeing with the majority doesn't make me a troll in the least bit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You can say whatever you want. Don't be a ***** and a crybaby when others disagree.

i don't cry, i don't do anything.

all i ever did was disagree when everybody says LT stomps, when it's obvious they don't know wtf a supreme being is -- which gets me labeled instantly a troll by lame old iceman. for me disagreeing that DC is not as powerful as LT, you all are the crybabies mad that i don't agree with you, yet can't provide me any solid argument besides "such and such is god"

i don't care that you disagree with me, but know that your reasoning doesn't hold up. LT stomps, his only superior is TOAA.

Mandrak, Presence, PM, none of them are omnipotent. LT is more omnipotent than all of them, so much so that he is absolute due to being the trinity (necessity, equity, vengeance). The simple fact that Mandrak, Presence, and PM are "omnipotent" within the same exact continuity is complete BS, nonsense, hogwash, etc.

even given the benefit of the doubt, PM comes nowhere near LT's capability

Originally posted by Jynocidus
i don't cry, i don't do anything.

all i ever did was disagree when everybody says LT stomps, when it's obvious they don't know wtf a supreme being is -- which gets me labeled instantly a troll by lame old iceman. for me disagreeing that DC is not as powerful as LT, you all are the crybabies mad that i don't agree with you, yet can't provide me any solid argument besides "such and such is god"

i don't care that you disagree with me, but know that your reasoning doesn't hold up. LT stomps, his only superior is TOAA.

Mandrak, Presence, PM, none of them are omnipotent. LT is more omnipotent than all of them, so much so that he is absolute due to being the trinity (necessity, equity, vengeance). The simple fact that Mandrak, Presence, and PM are "omnipotent" within the same exact continuity is complete BS, nonsense, hogwash, etc.

even given the benefit of the doubt, PM comes nowhere near LT's capability

This reminds me of that marvel "infinite beyond infinite" or something like that

Originally posted by ares834
lol wut?

😂

Maybe you should read Marvel: The End.

Obviously thay aren't all truly omnipotent... But that's irrelevant as LT isn't either as he too has superiors.

LT's ONLY supervisor is TOAA.

I'm not going to sit here and make excuses and to why I think Marvel The End was BS. I ultimately think they could have handled it better, and it doesn't help that the creator of the character that the story is about was at the helm. (i mean look at him now, he hates "corporate comics" and possibly couldn't felt a certain way prior to this story. what if he did it on purpose?!)

Why do you people fail to realize that LT is the embodiment of anything that these characters need in order to perform? Without being "God" (which is basically like playing a game with every cheat code enabled in comparison, or pretty much the writer), LT is absolute when placed against any type of opposition. Why? PM is PM. LT is necessity, equity, and vengeance -- he can do ANYTHING that PM can do (equity), he can do it better or more efficiently than PM (if necessary), and his vengeance will come if PM does anything stupid.

there's nobody, no source, that PM can draw anything from for it to do anything.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Nah the Presence is omnipotent within the Dc omniverse his only superior is the PM who encompasses everything within and outside of that omniverse he stomps here all day you cry baby pansy

this is the idiocy that I speak of.

listen carefully ladies and gents -- the root of my argument

first of all, DC Continuity. start to get it right

second of all -- Presence is omnipotent but has an only superior? How out of place does that sound? omnipotence means that you...are everything. If presence isn't everything, then it's not omnipotent.

third -- you said PM encompasses everything inside, and outside of that "omniverse" (i corrected you for continuity) ? that means PM made Marvel, and we all know that isn't true.

so now that you finally try to justify your argument, just as I suspected DC has you so brainwashed and scrambled and you come off so foolishly.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
this is the idiocy that I speak of.

listen carefully ladies and gents -- the root of my argument

first of all, DC Continuity. start to get it right

second of all -- Presence is omnipotent but has an only superior? How out of place does that sound? omnipotence means that you...are everything. If presence isn't everything, then it's not omnipotent.

third -- you said PM encompasses everything inside, and outside of that "omniverse" (i corrected you for continuity) ? that means PM made Marvel, and we all know that isn't true.

so now that you finally try to justify your argument, just as I suspected DC has you so brainwashed and scrambled and you come off so foolishly.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This is comic books their are levels of omnipotence we keep going in circle you meathead it isn't supposed to be logically by our real world standard if you are to stupid to understand this whatever. Yes he encompasses everything within the DC company the bleed, the area place between his own realm and the main dc omniverse. PM out ranks the Lt in a neutral setting he stomps

this right here isn't a comic book, this is a vs thread. even if you compare on panel stuff, what has PM done that WASN'T necessary? Even to tell a story in any way, shape, form, or fashion? literally...what wasn't necessary for PM to do anything that you can even try to argue? i can't wait to hear this one

now that we have established that, put them in this vs thread. Anything required of the PM to perform, LT can negate. PM doesn't monitor.

you saying there are levels of omnipotence is your opinion -- and even then, only in the comics you selectively read obviously. me personally, i portray all comics the same. and for some reason, browsing through DC and Marvel i just feel like LT's char > all of DC even during their big stories because i'm not impressed.

also, let this "meat head " correct you. *there are levels of omnipotence.

i'm sick of all of this supreme talk anyway. because bone heads like iceman cling to that strategy, but then when I make a TOAA vs Presence thread it gets closed for the same reasons i'm arguing now -- NO CHARACTER is omnipotent. put TOAA and Presence in a VS thread, and they are not the same person. One of them has to win.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
this right here isn't a comic book, this is a vs thread. even if you compare on panel stuff, what has PM done that WASN'T necessary? Even to tell a story in any way, shape, form, or fashion? literally...what wasn't necessary for PM to do anything that you can even try to argue? i can't wait to hear this one

now that we have established that, put them in this vs thread. Anything required of the PM to perform, LT can negate. PM doesn't monitor.

you saying there are levels of omnipotence is your opinion -- and even then, only in the comics you selectively read obviously. me personally, i portray all comics the same. and for some reason, browsing through DC and Marvel i just feel like LT's char > all of DC even during their big stories because i'm not impressed.

also, let this "meat head " correct you. *there are levels of omnipotence.

i'm sick of all of this supreme talk anyway. because bone heads like iceman cling to that strategy, but then when I make a TOAA vs Presence thread it gets closed for the same reasons i'm arguing now -- NO CHARACTER is omnipotent. put TOAA and Presence in a VS thread, and they are not the same person. One of them has to win.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lets get this straight i don't agree with the necessity crap i have stated why a billion times seeing how thats pretty much your only argument besides the "only one omnipotent being" i don't see how LT stands a chance here.

it's more than just simply "my only argument"

it's the truth, and is in no way crap. it's logical, even considering the endless possibilities within a fictional setting.

I mean, come on......how are you going to sit here and dispute how ALL characters...do anything less than what is necessary? realistically, tell me. Not even the wackiest, weirdest writer is going to try and play me on this one.

this subject is so delicate, that it cannot be handled with your silly fanboy refusal of logic. No character is omnipotent, especially in a vs thread. doesn't matter if it's TOAA vs Presence, TOAA vs Elaine. One of them has to win. It just goes against DC most of the time because their abstract hierarchy is atrocious. i hate to throw it in your face, but it's at least my opinion and leans towards logic moreso than arguing against LT.

your very argument of Presence vs LT, you tried to pull that all encompassing crap. it makes no sense. and now you're sitting here trying to pull it once again, with an entirely different character. So when you choose one, you automatically say the other loses. Me personally, I say they both lose, and have very good reasoning why which i have argued in many threads and they have gotten closed because people can't comprehend

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you agree that Primal Monitor isn't omnipotent either. Primal Monitor was full of hyperbole. That's it. It was Morrison, dude.

Been gone for a while, but it seems Quanchi never change.

Calling the PM nothing but hyperbole, and using the it's Morrison logic proves you're ignorance. By that logic, i can say the same thing about every characters that have ever been written in fiction.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
it's more than just simply "my only argument"

it's the truth, and is in no way crap. it's logical, even considering the endless possibilities within a fictional setting.

I mean, come on......how are you going to sit here and dispute how ALL characters...do anything less than what is necessary? realistically, tell me. Not even the wackiest, weirdest writer is going to try and play me on this one.

this subject is so delicate, that it cannot be handled with your silly fanboy refusal of logic. No character is omnipotent, especially in a vs thread. doesn't matter if it's TOAA vs Presence, TOAA vs Elaine. One of them has to win. It just goes against DC most of the time because their abstract hierarchy is atrocious. i hate to throw it in your face, but it's at least my opinion and leans towards logic moreso than arguing against LT.

your very argument of Presence vs LT, you tried to pull that all encompassing crap. it makes no sense. and now you're sitting here trying to pull it once again, with an entirely different character. So when you choose one, you automatically say the other loses. Me personally, I say they both lose, and have very good reasoning why which i have argued in many threads and they have gotten closed because people can't comprehend

iceman, for the last time

necessity, equity, vengeance -- this means all the powers associated with doing so, thus true absolution barring TOAA

vs

(name your insignificance)
Can Presence die? I think so from a logical standpoint. If he was created by external forces, he can be destroyed by those same external forces. It was necessary for its creation, so it'll be necessary for its destruction.

true omnipotence, means you can decide anything. Necessity, comes from you. PM is not omnipotent, why? Well, it is a completely separate entity from Presence. So with that said, it is now a fact that neither of them are all anything. Omnipotence = all encompassing. They don't all encompass each other.......so how do they both all encompass in the same continuity?

and you still think LT is weaker? Helloooooo

you still think my logic behind necessity is crap?

wtf are you smoking.

i can comprehend someone disagreeing with me, but like I said earlier just know that you do so without proper justification. and the little stuff you bring doesn't cut it

Originally posted by Jynocidus
iceman, for the last time

necessity, equity, vengeance -- this means all the powers associated with doing so, thus true absolution barring TOAA

vs

(name your insignificance)
Can Presence die? I think so from a logical standpoint. If he was created by external forces, he can be destroyed by those same external forces. It was necessary for its creation, so it'll be necessary for its destruction.

true omnipotence, means you can decide anything. Necessity, comes from you. PM is not omnipotent, why? Well, it is a completely separate entity from Presence. So with that said, it is now a fact that neither of them are all anything. Omnipotence = all encompassing. They don't all encompass each other.......so how do they both all encompass in the same continuity?

and you still think LT is weaker? Helloooooo

you still think my logic behind necessity is crap?

wtf are you smoking.

i can comprehend someone disagreeing with me, but like I said earlier just know that you do so without proper justification. and the little stuff you bring doesn't cut it

@Jynocidus

Primal Monitor is above the LT, Presence, Abstracts, etc.. in power. The entire DC multiverse was an insignificant germ to him/her/it :

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Originally posted by iceman24567
Marvel the End TOAA was shaped by external forces doesn't mean he isn't supreme well thats what i believe same goes for DC of course. Again forum battle the presence is on a higher plateau than the LT being God within the Omniverse the PM is said to reside outside of said Omniverse and its nothing but a microbe to him his probes almost obliterated said omniverse. Take from it what you will i believe thats enough to dismiss the LT believe what you want you obscene drunk

i can no longer debate with you seriously. for you to continue to separate continuities as omniverse(s) is starting to annoy me. that alone says you fail to comprehend, but i'll continue.

Presence is not on a higher anything than the LT. Presence associates with Heaven and Hell, he is "god" and there is an opposite to it (GEB?). On top of that, PM is also separate from Presence. So it's not one with everything, if there are not one, but TWO other entities separate from it.

TOAA does not associate with Heaven or Hell, at least so far that we know of. Instead, we have beings like Fulcrum, Celestials, Mephisto -- all beings on separate sides of that Positive/Negative representation. IMO, that's where the Presence would be if the companies merged.

As for the PM? Even if you write him as some weird abstract anomaly that monitors existence, it's significance is not higher than the LT. Why? TOAA's representation (the writer) must have made it a necessity to put it there. And since LT only serves TOAA, guess who that puts him above as far as significance? You guessed it, the PM folks!

Who is PM going to draw power from, what place to beat LT? If PM is omnipotent, he doesn't need to draw power from anywhere. he wouldn't need TOAA, he would BE the TOAA. he's/it's not though. LT isn't TOAA either, he is the trinity. What is PM? PM doesn't all encompass anything, it can't even all encompass its continuity.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
What is PM? PM doesn't all encompass anything, it can't even all encompass its continuity.