Dr. Strange vs Dr. Zoom

Originally posted by Bentley
So I get that Zoom will be attacking at faster than light speed at all times but won't kill Strange, right?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The prep rule that was quoted was out of context. It was talking about "default" matches where there is no prep, saying that Bats couldn't make his ray gun or whatever because there's not prep unless specified by the thread starter.

Prep is specified for this match. That quote is moot in regards to this match. I should know; I wrote it. And Strange could enter in astral form.

😉

so if wally were in a thread with specified prep, he could begin siphoning off his opponent's kinetic energy before the battle began, rendering them unable to move once the battle actually started?

i hope to god that's not what the rule is, because if so, that is absolutely ridiculous. 👇

They can't affect the opponent, but they can affect themselves.

why are character's allowed to use any type of power before the battle starts? it's ridiculous.

I'm betting on Strange. He's a crafty mofo.

Well, since prep stands for preparation, its what its meant to do.

You know, since a character like Batman cannot face Superman one on one, sometimes people introduce prep to have characters match better one against the other.

Originally posted by Galan007
so because 10 mins of prep is specified, strange can begin using abilities before the match even starts?

so if wally were in a thread with specified prep, he could begin siphoning off his opponent's kinetic energy before the battle began, rendering them unable to move once the battle actually started?

i hope to god that's not what the rule is, because if so, that is absolutely ridiculous. 👇

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, since prep stands for preparation, its what its meant to do.

i guess how i was looking at it is that strange basically has prep time to gather all the artifacts/spells he can. however, i disagree with him being able to use spells that don't affect his opponent directly [ie. astral projection] before the battle even starts.

that's giving an unfair advantage to strange, because now he doesn't have to think about doing it mid-battle [like he would in an actual fight].

Originally posted by StyleTime
In the rule's defense, you used an example of Wally actually attacking the opponent before the match. I think Digi was referring to buffs and other defensive abilities.

however, if characters like firestorm, surfer, GL's, j'onn, etc are in a thread with specified prep, i think it's flat out wrong to allow them to use powers like intangibility before the battle starts. it's just giving them an advantage they would never have in a battle.

Well, if the intention was to make the battle work like that I could have mentioned something like that. Prep normally include buffs.

In a certain fashion, is like walking into the battle prepared for it -hence the word prep-.

there is also this prob like

8 min prep turns into infinite amount of prep since going back in time / stopping time

many loop holes

I think putting shields are fine I means what the point if they can't use it

because prep becomes useless when facing speedsters anyway

I always thought that time-manipulation couldn't be used to increase prep. In the other hand super speed could -not that it should-. Hard to gauge really.

So as long as you don't affect your opponent, you are allowed to do anything in prep-time ?

Nice.

Originally posted by Philosophía
So as long as you don't affect your opponent, you are allowed to do anything in prep-time ?

Nice.

I think you cannot affect the battlefield either nor call help from external sources.

Originally posted by Bentley
In a certain fashion, is like walking into the battle prepared for it -hence the word prep-.

preparation:
1. The act or process of preparing.
2. The state of having been made ready beforehand; readiness.
3. A preliminary measure that serves to make ready for something.

being ready for a battle with artifacts/spells/etc is one thing. however, preparation time [in the literal sense] wouldn't mean the use of powers before a given battle took place. that's called cheating/lop sided advantage. 🙂

Originally posted by kgkg
I think putting shields are fine I means what the point if they can't use it

Originally posted by Philosophía
So as long as you don't affect your opponent, you are allowed to do anything in prep-time ?

Nice.

Originally posted by Galan007
correct.

[b]preparation:
1. The act or process of preparing.
2. The state of having been made ready beforehand; readiness.
3. A preliminary measure that serves to make ready for something.

being ready for a battle with artifacts/spells/etc is one thing. however, preparation time [in the literal sense] wouldn't mean the use of powers before a given battle took place. that's called cheating/lop sided advantage. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
right.

so because 10 mins of prep is specified, strange can begin using abilities before the match even starts?

so if wally were in a thread with specified prep, he could begin siphoning off his opponent's kinetic energy before the battle began, rendering them unable to move once the battle actually started?

i hope to god that's not what the rule is, because if so, that is absolutely ridiculous. 👇

Erm, you don't have access to your opponent during prep. So no, he couldn't do that, but he could siphon kinetic energy from random objects and such.

Originally posted by kgkg
there is also this prob like

8 min prep turns into infinite amount of prep since going back in time / stopping time

many loop holes

I think putting shields are fine I means what the point if they can't use it

because prep becomes useless when facing speedsters anyway

I think 8 minutes is relative to the character, not their manipulations of time. So if Strange went back in time or something, it wouldn't be years before the battle, but time before his match starts would be ticking down while he did that.

Originally posted by Mindset
The definititons you posted back up what people have been saying about prep...😕

as the rules go, strange is allowed to use things like his astral form, before the match starts. this means zoom wouldn't be able to do anything to prevent this transformation [like he would in an actual battle]. i'm not arguing the rule, i just think it's ridiculous.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
but he could siphon kinetic energy from random objects and such.

Strange wins, then.

in light of the recent bullshit, i agree.

To be honest, you cast in a rather negative light the prep time, its very useful when characters have obviously different power levels or to counter the ever present speed blitz.

But I just make the threads, not the rules 131

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Erm, you don't have access to your opponent during prep. So no, he couldn't do that, but he could siphon kinetic energy from random objects and such.

I think 8 minutes is relative to the character, not their manipulations of time. So if Strange went back in time or something, it wouldn't be years before the battle, but time before his match starts would be ticking down while he did that.

Define access? Some opponents, spell casters for example, would not need to be in proximity of their opponent in order to affect them.

And how would time be counting down when Strange has gone to a point in time before the prep time even began?

On the one hand I can see allowing characters to have their buffs up before the match starts, but conversely there are so many ways to abuse that. Not allowing buffs at the start does favor speedsters, but allowing characters like MM who can go intangible at the start heavily favors them. I think you're kind of screwed either way.