Dr. Strange vs Dr. Zoom

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Define access? Some opponents, spell casters for example, would not need to be in proximity of their opponent in order to affect them.

And how would time be counting down when Strange has gone to a point in time before the prep time even began?

Access shouldn't hard to define. Prep means on your own. You can't actively attack an opponent, directly or indirectly, during prep. Thus the prep/battle distinction.

And as I stated before, prep time is relative to the character, not to their manipulations of time. When Strange has existed for 10 minutes, for example, either far in the past or just before the battle, he is then sent to the battle. Imagine he's doing all that but you're watching all of it in a comic with a stopwatch...regardless of what he does to himself and his time location, your stopwatch will continue to run. It avoids infinite-prep scenarios that amount to mere loopholes.

Originally posted by Galan007
this means zoom wouldn't be able to do anything to prevent this transformation [like he would in an actual battle].

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Define access? Some opponents, spell casters for example, would not need to be in proximity of their opponent in order to affect them.

And how would time be counting down when Strange has gone to a point in time before the prep time even began?

On the one hand I can see allowing characters to have their buffs up before the match starts, but conversely there are so many ways to abuse that. Not allowing buffs at the start does favor speedsters, but allowing characters like MM who can go intangible at the start heavily favors them. I think you're kind of screwed either way.

But speed is also a defensive tactic, so the speedsters don't lose automatically, which MM continues to be screwed by speed.

Prep for a guy like strange is almost an auto win. In the days when he still had a monthly series he had pretty powerful autoshields that were always on and cud take huge amount of damage which a normal human shudnt have. True, even then they were a bit inconsistent but they were on more often than not. It wudnt be to hard for that strange to win this fight even without prep. But with it, its no contest. He cud start d fight with his more powerful shields already on, and that wud eliminate zooms only chance.

Well Zooms power is time based... doesnt Strange have a reasonably strong control of time? id say he'd win either way tho...
strange that is

Originally posted by Bentley
To be honest, you cast in a rather negative light the prep time, its very useful when characters have obviously different power levels or to counter the ever present speed blitz.

Originally posted by King Kandy
In an actual battle with prep, the people would do whatever they could to help themselves.

prep is an unfair advantage

Originally posted by Mindset
prep is an unfair advantage

Yeah that kinda kills it.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah that kinda kills it.

Originally posted by Mindset
ill kill you 😠

^

uhuh

Lulz you guys suck 🙁

Originally posted by Galan007
i didn't mind prep until i learned of this bullshit about using powers before the fight starts. 👇

What's the point of prep otherwise? Just standing there for 10 minutes? Strange would be no better off if he couldn't use his powers...he couldn't even raise shields and such.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
What's the point of prep otherwise? Just standing there for 10 minutes? Strange would be no better off if he couldn't use his powers...he couldn't even raise shields and such.

But it does make it useless if they are fighting anyone with SPEED

Originally posted by DigiMark007
What's the point of prep otherwise? Just standing there for 10 minutes?

Originally posted by Galan007
gather all the items/spells he had available within that 10 minutes, so he could put them to use once the battle started..

With someone like Strange, perhaps. But then what's the point of prep for, say, Flash, if he can't use powers? Or someone who can amp themselves like Hulk or Surfer? Or anyone who doesn't rely on artifacts/objects for powers. It makes prep worthless for 99% of comic-dom. There's the problem.

Default mode on KMC is no prep, so you get people at their base powers with no chance to get anything ready. Once you add prep, it's assumed (and also explicitly stated) that their powers can be used to give them an advantage once the battle starts.

Dr. Strange Like most any other mages pwn with any amount of prep. Unless you give them like say 3 seconds prep. Just enough time to erect a shield or something.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Access shouldn't hard to define. Prep means on your own. You can't actively attack an opponent, directly or indirectly, during prep. Thus the prep/battle distinction.

And as I stated before, prep time is relative to the character, not to their manipulations of time. When Strange has existed for 10 minutes, for example, either far in the past or just before the battle, he is then sent to the battle. Imagine he's doing all that but you're watching all of it in a comic with a stopwatch...regardless of what he does to himself and his time location, your stopwatch will continue to run. It avoids infinite-prep scenarios that amount to mere loopholes.

Access in this scenario that you are creating does need to be defined. A mage like Strange doesn't need access, in the conventional manner, in order to affect his opponent. That portion was unclear until you followed up by saying that you can't actively attack an opponent. I assume that would also apply to actively altering the battlefield?

I know what you are trying to say, with regards to traveling to the past, but it doesn't quite make sense. If I leave right now and travel 30 minutes into the past you will not be aware that I am in the past because I've gone there before the clock even started ticking. Of course to us as the comic book reader we can measure the amount of time that has lapsed because we are not present in that world. Anyone who would actually be affected by his traveling to the past would have no way of knowing how long he's been there. The only way that works is if the person who travels to the past willingly removes themselves after only being present for 10 minutes. You wouldn't know otherwise.

In forum fights such as these I don't think time travel should be allowed, but that's just me. 😮

In general, any time of prep is going to heavily favor spell casters. It's a slippery slope in general. I can understand it in the sense that Batman has time to assemble and equip some gadgets or WW can collect her armor and gauntlets that she might otherwise not have. But letting Strange assume his astral form before the fight even starts seems unfair. What's Zoom supposed to do?

Zoom omfgwtfpwns Dr.Strange

This thread has so much spite, it's not funny

Zoom could punch Strange 2000 or more times for the first 5 seconds. And remember, Zoom has stronger punches than Supes.

I'm sorry to say, but Strange gets pulverized after 10 seconds