Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
People below Mach 2 dodge bullets all the time in comics, anime and other stuff.Spike successfully dodges bullets in Cowboy Bebo so did Vash.
Just incase you didn't know P.B means point blank. Show me instances where they did that at point blank below or at mach 2 speed and I'll believe you.
Originally posted by BetaProxy
Just incase you didn't know P.B means point blank. Show me instances where they did that at point blank below or at mach 2 speed and I'll believe you.
In comics you can look at people like Batman, Spider-Man and such.
In video games you can look at Dante, Bayonetta, and such.
Kenshiro who isn't around Mach 2 when running but he can dodge a bullet.
point blank is no more than 5ft away from a target. It doesn't have to be exactly at your head it can be inches away from your face which people that I have stated has done. Look up the Bayonetta trailer. She effortlessly dodges bullets in her face and so far she has no hypersonic speed. I think you just hate Naruto. I mean you described gay pornographic scenes of Naruto worshipping Kenshiro's balls and shit. My favorite anime hero isn't gay so please don't put him in that kind of a situation. I've known him for like 8 years now, he isn't gay.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
point blank is no more than 5ft away from a target. It doesn't have to be exactly at your head it can be inches away from your face which people that I have stated has done. Look up the Bayonetta trailer. She effortlessly dodges bullets in her face and so far she has no hypersonic speed. I think you just hate Naruto. I mean you described gay pornographic scenes of Naruto worshipping Kenshiro's balls and shit. My favorite anime hero isn't gay so please don't put him in that kind of a situation. I've known him for like 8 years now, he isn't gay.
5 ft away pb maybe, but I'm not going to aruge on that since it'll just be a biased inconclusive. Gun to the head pb no naruto character could do it. It wouldn't be that hard for kenshiro to march right into konoha kick the crap out of all the men, rape the women and drink on it afterwards.
You forget no matter how many shinobi/people are in konoha kenshiro doesn't even have to lift a finger to elinimate most of them he would just realize his ki (or chi) and most of the unskilled/untalented ninjas would drop dead. Next he only needs 1 hit to kill the rest of them, a bunch more will die, finally last wave of konohas elite who can't be touched muso tensei would finish them off, you give me no reason to not believe so. Considering the accomplishments he's done with hokuto shinken he puts the entire Naruto universe 2 shame.
oh and I read bayonetta
The main character in Bayonetta is a witch who uses her own hair to perform magical attacks against her foes. She also uses handguns and a variety of other weapons. Another male character was shown in the TGS 2008 trailer, though his role in the game is unknown.
Bayonetta dodging a bullet right at her head doesn't mean much and I don't think she applies to this topic. About anime characters, and not random cut-scenes/plot-devices.
Originally posted by BetaProxy
5 ft away pb maybe, but I'm not going to aruge on that since it'll just be a biased inconclusive. Gun to the head pb no naruto character could do it. It wouldn't be that hard for kenshiro to march right into konoha kick the crap out of all the men, rape the women and drink on it afterwards.
You forget no matter how many shinobi/people are in konoha kenshiro doesn't even have to lift a finger to elinimate most of them he would just realize his ki (or chi) and most of the unskilled/untalented ninjas would drop dead. Next he only needs 1 hit to kill the rest of them, a bunch more will die, finally last wave of konohas elite who can't be touched muso tensei would finish them off, you give me no reason to not believe so. Considering the accomplishments he's done with hokuto shinken he puts the entire Naruto universe 2 shame.oh and I read bayonetta
The main character in Bayonetta is a witch who uses her own hair to perform magical attacks against her foes. She also uses handguns and a variety of other weapons. Another male character was shown in the TGS 2008 trailer, though his role in the game is unknown.
Bayonetta dodging a bullet right at her head doesn't mean much and I don't think she applies to this topic. About anime characters, and not random cut-scenes/plot-devices.
First of all it would be extremely hard for Kenshiro to do all of that seeing as he doesn't rape, kill innocents or drink. Kenshiro would never do such a thing. I already stated that I believe Kenshiro whoops the majority of this. I don't know who all is in Konoha. Does this include Itachi and the Akas too? I also wouldn't say that HNK puts the entire NU to shame. Can't Itachi like look at you and make you feel like you've been tortured for days but its realistically only like 10 seconds? I'll wait till Jaxx comes back and educates me on what people like him can do.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
First of all it would be extremely hard for Kenshiro to do all of that seeing as he doesn't rape, kill innocents or drink. Kenshiro would never do such a thing. I already stated that I believe Kenshiro whoops the majority of this. I don't know who all is in Konoha. Does this include Itachi and the Akas too? I also wouldn't say that HNK puts the entire NU to shame. Can't Itachi like look at you and make you feel like you've been tortured for days but its realistically only like 10 seconds? I'll wait till Jaxx comes back and educates me on what people like him can do.
How can you look at something you can't focus on or see clearly. The time it takes Itachi to use his mangekyou sharingan kenshiro will say those sweet words you're already dead. I'm more use to seeing Kenshiro Vs. Goku topics, obviously major advantage on goku but these fights are more realistic to the type of person kenshiro would fight. You need to educate yourself more on fist of the north star , before you defend naruto all willy nilly, before knowing the true powers of hokuto no shinken.
No shit he wouldn't rape or kill innocents, but this whole debate is about what if kenshiro came to konoha with the intent of beating the crap out of everyone.
I know what HNK can do and I've watched enough it is my favorite anime and Kenshiro is my favorite anime character. From what I understand it doesn't take long for Itachi to look at you and say "You're now ****ed" The Itachi that Kenshiro could be fighting could more than likely be a shadow clone. I love Kenshiro but the only version of Goku he can beat is predeath goku. Evn Kaioken is too much for him.
Originally posted by BetaProxy
How can you look at something you can't focus on or see clearly. The time it takes Itachi to use his mangekyou sharingan kenshiro will say those sweet words you're already dead. I'm more use to seeing Kenshiro Vs. Goku topics, obviously major advantage on goku but these fights are more realistic to the type of person kenshiro would fight. You need to educate yourself more on fist of the north star , before you defend naruto all willy nilly, before knowing the true powers of hokuto no shinken.No shit he wouldn't rape or kill innocents, but this whole debate is about what if kenshiro came to konoha with the intent of beating the crap out of everyone.
he doesn't have to rape nor drink to do so and he wouldn't do so. Also I said there are plenty of anime/VG/comic characters that can dodge bullets and I named some, Bayonetta being one. Sounds like you copied that from a Wiki page or something. It isn't some random cutscene or plot device, it is an actual canon feat.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I know what HNK can do and I've watched enough it is my favorite anime and Kenshiro is my favorite anime character. From what I understand it doesn't take long for Itachi to look at you and say "You're now ****ed" The Itachi that Kenshiro could be fighting could more than likely be a shadow clone. I love Kenshiro but the only version of Goku he can beat is predeath goku. Evn Kaioken is too much for him.
Itachi at his fastest is probably moving super sonic somewhere in between mach 2 and mach 3 let's say mach 3 to make you happy. Kenshiro is easily moving twice his speed once again I don't think he's going to be able to use his technique on someone's who's like hypersonic X2 his speed. Plus his technique ****ed up his eyes.
I think you just watched the show looked at the animation since its old and kind of dated and assumed the character was weak compared to the new vivid animations of naruto.
Muso Tensei Kenshiro I would put at SS1 goku's level in terms of states. Naruto is like less than pre-death goku. Honestly the only fair fight 1v1 where I won't be able to declare a victor is against piccolo tournament Db goku.
-.-' I did copy it from wikipedia
It's a plot related device that has absolutely no meaning. If I wanted to show Bayonetta in a cutscene slapping the earth with a baseball bat it wouldn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
Giving Itachi Mach 3 speed does nothing to me at all.
Also you thought wrong because I don't even like Naruto and I still watch HNK. I have never and will never say that Kenshiro is weak. He is incredibly fast, durable and strong. Souther was only able to inflict cut wounds instead of slicing his arms right off, but Itachi has shadow clones and his eyes is a dangerous weapon. Ken is moving 24/7 and he could just surprise him. His Shadow clones could just do the jutsu.
The only reason why MT would even be near SSJ Goku is because he can't be touched during it. SSJ Goku is stronger, faster and more durable than Kenshiro. Hell Post death Goku is better. Kaioken would beat him.
Considering you don't know the story or who was even shooting at her, I'm going to say that you have no right to judge if it has meaning or not.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Giving Itachi Mach 3 speed does nothing to me at all.Also you thought wrong because I don't even like Naruto and I still watch HNK. I have never and will never say that Kenshiro is weak. He is incredibly fast, durable and strong. Souther was only able to inflict cut wounds instead of slicing his arms right off, but Itachi has shadow clones and his eyes is a dangerous weapon. Ken is moving 24/7 and he could just surprise him. His Shadow clones could just do the jutsu.
The only reason why MT would even be near SSJ Goku is because he can't be touched during it. SSJ Goku is stronger, faster and more durable than Kenshiro. Hell Post death Goku is better. Kaioken would beat him.
Considering you don't know the story or who was even shooting at her, I'm going to say that you have no right to judge if it has meaning or not.
Ah no goku ssj 1 and kenshin are about equal in speed(not couting the technique instant transmission), in strength I would say goku is stronger. If you say Kaoiken only goku is enough to beat kenshiro then 1 hit at goku's pressure points is enough to blow his head off at kaiokens goku's powerlevel. And bayonetta still has no relevance in this discussion... And we're not talking about goku vs. kenshiro we're talking about konoha but you've obviously forgotten about konoha seeing as they were put too shame by these 2 obviously stronger characters.
First of all Kenshiro is not the same speed as SSJ Goku no way no how. Burter was incredibly fast and fast as if not faster than 7 and Goku already surpassed his speed when he arrived at Namek.
2nd of all Kenshiro won't be able to hit Kaioken Goku seeing as his body is exceeding its limits times whatever he pushes it to.
3rd of all Goku is an alien and we have no idea how HNK works on alien physiology.
4th. I'm still talking about Itachi who can beat Kenshiro just with a look. You act as if Kenshiro already has the scoop on him and will be moving around just to dodge his sight. Kenshiro isn't FTL for one, two as said before a shadow clone will easily keep him distracted.
He won't be dodging itachi just dodge his look. He'll move so fast that before itachi gets a good gaze on him he's already dead. That's what he'd naturally do he'd try to end the battle quickly and since he's faster itachi is dead.
All those other points you made ughh I don't want to get into, you must be ****ing trolling/kidding me about kaioken goku beating kenshiro?
Anyway I'm tired of arguing ambiguity's with an idiot who's obviously a naruto fanboy and owns a naruto headbang opps I mean headband.
Originally posted by BetaProxy
He won't be dodging itachi just dodge his look. He'll move so fast that before itachi gets a good gaze on him he's already dead. That's what he'd naturally do he'd try to end the battle quickly and since he's faster itachi is dead.All those other points you made ughh I don't want to get into, you must be ****ing trolling/kidding me about kaioken goku beating kenshiro?
Anyway I'm tired of arguing ambiguity's with an idiot who's obviously a naruto fanboy and owns a naruto headbang opps I mean headband.
How will he even know to dodge his gaze? That isn't common knowledge from what I understand. Kenshiro naturally goes for the OHKO now? Boy are you wrong. He didn't do it to Raoh, the fake Toki, Jagi, Shin, Mr. Heart (iirc) that red beret guy iirc. Kenshiro doesn't always dodge attacks either. He usually lets you attack first to gauge your strength against him. Sometimes he just welcomes attacks for the fun of it like he did with Souther. He also can't kill Itachi if he can't find the real Itachi. Itachi can easily send a shadow clone out.
I know you don't want to get into those points because you can't counter them. Kenshiro is a way better martial artist than Goku but the Kaioken tips the scales in his favor more so. If this was under tournament rules and strictly h2h then Kenshiro would win in that fight. Its also debateable if he is faster than Itachi.
You know you're losing the debate when you resort to name calling and throwing out claims like I'm a Naruto fanboy when I have stated many times that I don't even like Naruto nor have I watched a single episode or read a single manga.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
How will he even know to dodge his gaze? That isn't common knowledge from what I understand. Kenshiro naturally goes for the OHKO now? Boy are you wrong. He didn't do it to Raoh, the fake Toki, Jagi, Shin, Mr. Heart (iirc) that red beret guy iirc. Kenshiro doesn't always dodge attacks either. He usually lets you attack first to gauge your strength against him. Sometimes he just welcomes attacks for the fun of it like he did with Souther. He also can't kill Itachi if he can't find the real Itachi. Itachi can easily send a shadow clone out.I know you don't want to get into those points because you can't counter them. Kenshiro is a way better martial artist than Goku but the Kaioken tips the scales in his favor more so. If this was under tournament rules and strictly h2h then Kenshiro would win in that fight. Its also debateable if he is faster than Itachi.
You know you're losing the debate when you resort to name calling and throwing out claims like I'm a Naruto fanboy when I have stated many times that I don't even like Naruto nor have I watched a single episode or read a single manga.
Dude it was 2 o'clock a.m I wasn't going to continue debating with you all night.
I know for a fact Kenshiro is faster than itachi, show me and tell me some incredible speed feats itachi has done and they pale in comparison to what Kenshiro has accomplished. I don't think that given the nature of the mangekyou sharingan kenshiro would just let him use it on him. And mangekyou sharingan is not an instant ko, let's assume even if he used it on him I doubt kenshiro would die maybe he'd take damage but no it would not result in death. When kakashi had the move used on him he went into a coma for several weeks. Muso Tensei would completely and underly destroy the mangekyou it has in the past allowed Kenshiro to fight through comas. The moment the moves done kenshiro kills itachi simple as that. And if we're talking about how opponents fight Itachi wouldn't even use Mangekyou sharingan right off the bat, so basically by the time kenshiro counters he'll be dead. Sorry gg.
well, Ken CAN do vaporizing blasts of ki like Raoh does in the flashback bit of Hnk2. then there is teleportation, musoi tensei, insane strength feats and the fact that Kenshiro almost ALWAYS takes down entire armies on his own and the fact that he does above 500 punches in a second, dodges bullets and arrows and can even that the breathing thing that deflects all arrows away from him
not saying that he wins but pointing out certain things. i don't know who the other people are and hence' i'm staying outta it.
~The Unbaised Sado-sama
Originally posted by BetaProxy
Dude it was 2 o'clock a.m I wasn't going to continue debating with you all night.I know for a fact Kenshiro is faster than itachi, show me and tell me some incredible speed feats itachi has done and they pale in comparison to what Kenshiro has accomplished. I don't think that given the nature of the mangekyou sharingan kenshiro would just let him use it on him. And mangekyou sharingan is not an instant ko, let's assume even if he used it on him I doubt kenshiro would die maybe he'd take damage but no it would not result in death. When kakashi had the move used on him he went into a coma for several weeks. Muso Tensei would completely and underly destroy the mangekyou it has in the past allowed Kenshiro to fight through comas. The moment the moves done kenshiro kills itachi simple as that. And if we're talking about how opponents fight Itachi wouldn't even use Mangekyou sharingan right off the bat, so basically by the time kenshiro counters he'll be dead. Sorry gg.
Didn't say you were losing because you left. I said you were losing because you resorted to name calling and false claims.
Fact: Kenshiro can't kill Itachi if all he is fighting is shadow clones.
The thing is that he isn't going to know about his MS. If he does get full knowledge on ITachi then Itachi should get full knowledge of him which means he would know that Kenshiro could end the fight in one punch thus making him use shadow clones instead. Itachi is too different for him to fight. How do you not understand that Kenshiro would not be fighting the real Itachi?