Gaara vs Zabuza

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
[B]1. Because he has a dog biting both legs, his neck, his arms, his stomach I think, and maybe sumthin else I forgot. And yeah, it was a clever summon move from Kakashi, I get that. I never argued that Zabuza>Kakashi overall, Kakashi is very versatile and clever. However, the speed gap is not as large as you like to think it is.

And there's no reason to think so. Zabuza has never shown to be Kakashi's equal in taijutsu when Kakashi uses his Sharingan, even when Zabuza was perfectly fine the only hits he got it were the ones Kakashi LET him get in.

2. Well let us see. He has seen himself form handseals. He has seen Kakashi form handseals before, but that was just playing. He has seen pretty much ever ninja in his academy form handseals. He has probably seen Iruka, a Chunin and his instructor, form handseals. And he noted that for the amount of seals they performed, it was incredibly fast. So nothing at all points to them being slow despite what you think, in fact all evidence points to them being fast, and "a few" is very rarely used to refer to 30 seconds or more.

Everyone's he has seen do handsealss consist of rookie genin who at that point weren't skilled at all, Iruka for christs sakes, and Kakashi who wasn't going all out. And you mention Iruka being a Chuunin like that means something. Shikamaru is a Chuunin... jounin by post-TS, yet he doesn't form handseals at an even above average speed.

It's not like he has much to compare to in the first place.

3. And panels are also used to convey time, if something takes a long period of time usually it will take more panels, or at least state a given time.

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. You'd have to prove it.

Which this did btw, it was very fast, and a few seconds.

No they didn't, prove it.

4. Prove WHAT? That in the anime, it took like 45 seconds for the mirrors to appear, when in the manga, in one panel they literally BURSTED from the water, which is an indication of speed? There was NO indication of the time it takes to summon the mirrors being 45 seconds in the manga, and they did it for dramatic effect in the anime. And the fact that they bursted from the water should say sumthin.

"Burst" from the water? It looked to me like they were just forming.

You'd have to prove it was dramtic affect.

Why do i have to keep repeating this over and over? Are you people retarded or just little kids? If the creator of Naruto states something then apparently it is what he says it is. Zabuza was better at Taijutsu when he fouht Kakashi. A 9 out of a 10 is higher than a 8 out of 10. The only hits Zabuza got in where the ones Kakashi let him get in? Apparenlty you didnt see their first fight right? The first kick Zabuza tried landed and Sasuke stated that Zabuza's Taijutsu is extremelely good as too. Do you really believe Kakashi let Zabuza stab him in the hand and hit him with his sword? It was just talk from a fighter who had the advantage. Kakashi had no idea if Zabuza would throw the kunai away or even if Zabuza could summon dogs like Kakashi could.

After Zabuza was bit on the arms and legs he was in no condition to fight Kakashi and win. Even Kakashi stated this too. Read the Japanese manga or watch the uncut japanese anime. Going into their fight Zabuza was better at Taijutsu, Strength, and Chakra supply, Kakashi was better at Genjutsu, Intelligence Hand Seal and i think their Ninjutsu was both a 9 or maybe Kakashi's was a 10. Their speed was the same according to the offical stats by the creator.

I will say this for the last time. There was no way in hell Kakashi, Naruto or Sasuke were going to get killed so early into the show. You knew they were going to win. Why didn't Haku put Naruto and Sasuke to sleep when based on the show he could do so with just one needle? Haku landed countless needle hits but couldnt accomplish this task. Why wouldnt Zabuza make more water clones when he had Kakashi trapped in the water prison jutsu and have some just kill Kakashi? If he did this he could of easily killed Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura.

In any case pre time skip and time skip Gaara would lose if Zabuza was near water. If Gaara was near sand and Zabuza was near water then Gaara would still lose. The only way Gaara would win if Zabuza didn't increase his skills like every other character did during the time skip and Gaara was near sand. Gaara almost lost to Rock Lee and According to their stats Zabuza was better at Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, Intelligence, Hand Seal, Chakra Supply, Strength and their speed was the same.

There should be 2 forums here. One for 10 year old kids who base their oppinions on how cool a move looks or how much they like one character and one for people who know what they are talking about.

You're an idiot, and so I'm putting you on ignore, for being an idiot and for being wrong.

Bye, idiot.

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Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Because he has a dog biting both legs, his neck, his arms, his stomach I think, and maybe sumthin else I forgot. And yeah, it was a clever summon move from Kakashi, I get that. I never argued that Zabuza>Kakashi overall, Kakashi is very versatile and clever. However, the speed gap is not as large as you like to think it is.

2. Well let us see. He has seen himself form handseals. He has seen Kakashi form handseals before, but that was just playing. He has seen pretty much ever ninja in his academy form handseals. He has probably seen Iruka, a Chunin and his instructor, form handseals. And he noted that for the amount of seals they performed, it was incredibly fast. So nothing at all points to them being slow despite what you think, in fact all evidence points to them being fast, and "a few" is very rarely used to refer to 30 seconds or more.

3. And panels are also used to convey time, if something takes a long period of time usually it will take more panels, or at least state a given time. Which this did btw, it was very fast, and a few seconds.

4. Prove WHAT? That in the anime, it took like 45 seconds for the mirrors to appear, when in the manga, in one panel they literally BURSTED from the water, which is an indication of speed? There was NO indication of the time it takes to summon the mirrors being 45 seconds in the manga, and they did it for dramatic effect in the anime. And the fact that they bursted from the water should say sumthin.