Originally posted by batdude123I changed my mind when I read Rulk issue 6. Thor beat his ass and I think he would take 6 of ten against Superman based on that. I also think that Supes knocked him out due to his confusion when Supes stopped his hammer. That wouldnt happen again.
Haven't you always given the nod to Superman against Classic Thor? 😉
Originally posted by quanchi112
I changed my mind when I read Rulk issue 6. Thor beat his ass and I think he would take 6 of ten against Superman based on that. I also think that Supes knocked him out due to his confusion when Supes stopped his hammer. That wouldnt happen again.
What was so special about Rulk issue 6? Thor was doing what he should have done in the first place. And this match up is minus a speed blitz, in a forum fight Supes would usually have that. In this scenario he can only vibrate Juggs into the BF he can't outright speedblitz as per the OP's scenario.
Strength has nothing to do with it. You need a plot power to defeat Juggernaut. Telepathy. matter manip. High end magic. unbreakable shields. reality alteration. something like that.
Plot power? Every character has strengths and weakness. Juggernaut is invunerable to physical attacks. So any character with high levels of magic could do some damage to him. A plot character is Thanos who gets some artifact every other issure to make him far more powerful than the Juggernaut every was. A plot character is somebody like Dr. Doom who manages to beat people who he should never be able to beat because he has " prep time".
Anyway Team one wins even if Superman is allowed to speed blitz
Originally posted by carver9
So you honestly dont think that thor could take superman heat vision, a guy that has fought in the sun before. We also have on panel proof that thor could easily block supermans heat vision with his hammer since he has stopped more powerful blast in the past and ice breath aint doing jack to thor, jack. Not to thor or juggernaut.
I have no doubt Thor's hammer can absorb HV that's one of its abilities, energy absorption. But neither one of these guys has speed here (Supes speed is taken out minus vibrating or spinning his own body). But Thor, Konvikt and Supes still have better reflexes than Juggs and Supes still has better reflexes than Thor.
In close quarters Supes can direct his beams directly at Thor's hands (the ones that grab hold of Mjlonir) to try and take Mjlonir out of the equation. Also Superman has shown enough strength to grab Thor's hammer at close range after he has swung it down at him.
And again even as Thor aims to use his energetic offensive you have to admit Supes can use freezebreath and his HV quicker than Thor can channel lightning or any magically induced attacks. Freezebreath could slow down Thor or Juggs provide distractions.
Originally posted by Allankles
I have no doubt Thor's hammer can absorb HV that's one of its abilities, energy absorption. But neither one of these guys has speed here (Supes speed is taken out minus vibrating or spinning his own body). But Thor, Konvikt and Supes still have better reflexes than Juggs and Supes still has better reflexes than Thor.In close quarters Supes can direct his beams directly at Thor's hands (the ones that grab hold of Mjlonir) to try and take Mjlonir out of the equation. Also Superman has shown enough strength to grab Thor's hammer at close range after he has swung it down at him.
And again even as Thor aims to use his energetic offensive you have to admit Supes can use freezebreath and his HV quicker than Thor can channel lightning or any magically induced attacks. Freezebreath could slow down Thor or Juggs provide distractions.
If he drops the hammer then what is stopping him from just calling it right back?
Thor has no problem with keeping up with Supes.
Couldn't Thor just cancel out his FB since he can control the elements? Besides that, ice is going to stop Cain for a maximum of five seconds.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If he drops the hammer then what is stopping him from just calling it right back?Thor has no problem with keeping up with Supes.
Couldn't Thor just cancel out his FB since he can control the elements? Besides that, ice is going to stop Cain for a maximum of five seconds.
I don't know if Thor can cancel his FB since the energy comes directly from Supes, not manipulation of outside forces. And the FB is an effective tactical ploy he won't be able to end it with his FB but if it slows down/distracts Thor and Juggs it is doing it's job.
The FB helps whoever is facing Thor and it certainly gives whoever is fighting Juggs moments to maneuver the fight to their favor, whether that's vibration, TVo or just keeping him off balance.
Originally posted by Allankles
I have no doubt Thor's hammer can absorb HV that's one of its abilities, energy absorption. But neither one of these guys has speed here (Supes speed is taken out minus vibrating or spinning his own body). But Thor, Konvikt and Supes still have better reflexes than Juggs and Supes still has better reflexes than Thor.In close quarters Supes can direct his beams directly at Thor's hands (the ones that grab hold of Mjlonir) to try and take Mjlonir out of the equation. Also Superman has shown enough strength to grab Thor's hammer at close range after he has swung it down at him.
And again even as Thor aims to use his energetic offensive you have to admit Supes can use freezebreath and his HV quicker than Thor can channel lightning or any magically induced attacks. Freezebreath could slow down Thor or Juggs provide distractions.
Thor channeling lightning? Thor can simply make thousands of lightning bolts rain down in all directions around him. Supes will definitely be getting hit. Also by swinging his hammer around thor can easily nullify heat vision or ice breath. And since we are using unusual tactics for supes then BFR is a very valid option for thor.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thor channeling lightning? Thor can simply make thousands of lightning bolts rain down in all directions around him. Supes will definitely be getting hit. Also by swinging his hammer around thor can easily nullify heat vision or ice breath. And since we are using unusual tactics for supes then BFR is a very valid option for thor.
BFR is not allowed according to the OP. And he'd have to expose his hands if he launches an actual attack with Mjlonir (whether energy attacks or physical strikes), Supes need only direct his eyesight at the spot he wants to hit. HV is more instantaneous especially if they are in relative close range. And of course Supes aim is incredibly precise and accurate.
And there's also FB, Supes can immobilize Thor briefly with it and launching it is as quick as exhaling.
Originally posted by Allankles
BFR is not allowed according to the OP. And he'd have to expose his hands if he launches an actual attack with Mjlonir (whether energy attacks or physical strikes), Supes need only direct his eyesight at the spot he wants to hit. HV is more instantaneous especially if they are in relative close range. And of course Supes aim is incredibly precise and accurate.And there's also FB, Supes can immobilize Thor briefly with it and launching it is as quick as exhaling.
Thor doesnt need to expose his hands to do anything. The lightning will just start raining down, u know cuz he is the "god of thunder". Supes isnt getting very close in if thor does a continuous lightning barrage. Hell be to busy trying to avoid being fried.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thor doesnt need to call his hammer back. It comes back automatically
That could certainly be problematic for team 2 especially with Supes being unable to speedblitz. The only drawback is that Mjlonir doesn't teleport into Thor's hands it flies to him, whoever is fighting him would still be able to interfere with that process.
Anyway I favor team 1 in this mostly because Supes isn't allowed to speedblitz but I'm surprised no one ever thought about Supes using HV on Thor's hands or anybody who mostly uses weapons to channel their power.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Thor doesnt need to expose his hands to do anything. The lightning will just start raining down, u know cuz he is the "god of thunder". Supes isnt getting very close in if thor does a continuous lightning barrage. Hell be to busy trying to avoid being fried.
Supes is quicker than lightning but because of the no blitz his durability will come into play he also has his bio aura which gives him additional defense.
Originally posted by Allankles
Supes is quicker than lightning but because of the no blitz his durability will come into play he also has his bio aura which gives him additional defense.
Obviously supes is pretty durable but thors continuos lightning barrage is going to certainly affect supes and hamper him offensively as he will be unable to use such attacks like HV or FB accurately if at all, not that thor wud even have a problem with such attacks.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Obviously supes is pretty durable but thors continuos lightning barrage is going to certainly affect supes and hamper him offensively as he will be unable to use such attacks like HV or FB accurately if at all, not that thor wud even have a problem with such attacks.
He'd have serious problems if Supes hit him with anything close to his full HV.
edit: But we're assuming these guys are in character right? Supes wouldn't willfully try to use HV to kill Thor? Like lobotomize him with a microscopic beam of HV through his retina?