Sabers: Windu 7-8/10.
Force: Windu 10/10.
All-out: Windu 8-9/10.
Mace is clearly Vader superior. While Vader might have more raw power Mace is more skilled with a blade, has loads more mastery with the Force, more experience, along with Vapaad which would **** Vader up considering the amount of hate he put out against Kenobi and knowing he certainly hates Mace he will be sloppy and emotional and the more dark output he makes the stronger Mace will become and then if, IF it becomes dead even Mace's shatterpoint will kick in and Windu will likely ind a weakness.
To qoute another KMC poster, "Anakin cannot contend with Mace's talents."
nah I say the Chosen One has a decent chance against anyone except the 2 most powerful force users in history(Sidious and Yoda). and hed even give them a run for their money in Sabers(and Sabers Only).
If Mace wins it would most likely be due to Vapaads advantage over Darksiders, the same way he beat Sidious.
but if were talking about their natural abilities and powers then id say Anakin is easily a match for Mace if not superior.
As they are Mace is still above Skywalker. His skill with a blade superceeds his and so does his Force mastery. Sabers Anakin would fight for a little bit but Mace floored Sidious in less than two minutes IIRC. Can't see why Anakin(who uses more hate when he fights) would fair better. Heck he'd probably fight the same way he did against Kenobi seeing how Mace isn't in Skywalker's fav 5.
Originally posted by truejedi
no, ROTS vader had not nearly reached his full potential. His loss to Kenobi confirms this.
He didnt need to reach full potential to be in Mace's league. If he had reached full potential he would wipe the floor with Mace in 30 seconds.
His loss to Kenobi confirms nothing. Kenobi was "The Master" of Soresu. It would take even the best Jedi a while to breach his defences in Lightsaber battle. (Which clearly Anakin would have done had the fight gone on considering Kenobi was getting exhausted and Anakin looked like he just started fighting.)
But Kenobi simply outsmarted him.. It just shows how Kenobi keeps his cool even during a long drawn out and very emotional fight, and shows how Kenobi really is the Council's "most cunning warrior" as the whole Jedi council beleive him to be(ROTS novel).
Originally posted by Darth Martin
As they are Mace is still above Skywalker.
No proof of this. Mace himself says "Skywalker is arguably the most Powerful Jedi Alive.."
Originally posted by Darth Martin
His skill with a blade superceeds his
that didnt help Dooku.. and dnt underestimate Anakins technical skill...
hes completely mastered Djem So(being a fine a user as Dooku had ever seen) and Shien.. and is also quite proficient in at least Ataro.. knows Kenobis(Soresu) moves inside out.. and by RODV hes trained in all forms of combat.. considering theres not much time between ROTS and RODV, he must have already been trained in many forms by ROTS.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
and so does his Force mastery.
Again that didnt help Dooku(Mace's superior in Force Mastery).. and besides Mace might have better Force Mastery, but Anakin has far more raw power in the force. Iv never been presented with any evidence that suggest Mace would actually defeat Anakin in a force fight.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Sabers Anakin would fight for a little bit but Mace floored Sidious in less than two minutes IIRC..
yeah thats true.. as iv already said if Mace does win it will be due to Vapaads advantage over darksiders.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Heck he'd probably fight the same way he did against Kenobi seeing how Mace isn't in Skywalker's fav 5.
iv already explained why he lost to "the Master of Soresu", and "the Most cunning Jedi on the council".. you cant just assume hes gna make a daft move against any Jedi he hates.. the fight wnt even last that long. and he fought just fine when he defeated Cin Drallig.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERNot that I'm arguing the topic, but Anakin hardly looked he was just getting started. He looked better off than Kenobi, but I'm just saying.
He didnt need to reach full potential to be in Mace's league. If he had reached full potential he would wipe the floor with Mace in 30 seconds.His loss to Kenobi confirms nothing. Kenobi was "The Master" of Soresu. It would take even the best Jedi a while to breach his defences in Lightsaber battle. (Which clearly Anakin would have done had the fight gone on considering Kenobi was getting exhausted and Anakin looked like he just started fighting.)
haha.. so what if he lost to Kenobi?? its not like Kenobi was just some average jedi.. he was the most Cunning Jedi on the Council and "The Master" of Soresu. You lot seem to make out that Losing to Kenobi proves how rubbish he was or something.
and the fact that he knows Anakin better than anyone, and knows his moves inside out actually makes him the Jedi best suited to tackle Anakin.
Originally posted by truejedi
Enyalus: i'm assuming that's a joke, right?
Nope.
Originally posted by truejedi
Yoda was num 1 in the galaxy. mace was number 2.
Says who? They were the senior members on the Council, sure. Anakin is repeatedly called the fastest and strongest Jedi. He's frequently called the most powerful Jedi, too. He says it to the Jedi Council at one point and no one corrects him. Dooku called him the greatest Djem So practitioner he'd ever seen. That's before going to the Dark Side - where he became an even better duelist and had even more power. Enough to flat out obliterate Dooku, and easily defeat Cin Drallig with one hand while using his free hand to kill his padawan. The same Cin Drallig who Dooku thought would kill Grievous in a duel. And he did this in the Jedi Temple, which gave a massive increase in power to all lightsiders - of which he was not. His Force power was great enough to hurl a huge statue like a missile and Force Crush a durasteel blast door.
I think he would beat Mace. Not easily, but often enough.
Originally posted by Enyalus"Of his generation." And Durge calls him the fastest Jedi "he's ever killed."
Says who? Anakin is repeatedly called the fastest and strongest Jedi.
Durge has never fought Mace Windu.
He's frequently called the most powerful Jedi, too.And he still can't overpower Obi-Wan.
He says it to the Jedi Council at one point and no one corrects him.This makes it true? He says he can overthrow the Emperor - presumably by Force - and no one corrects him there, either.
Dooku called him the greatest Djem So practitioner he'd ever seen. That's before going to the Dark Side - where he became an even better duelist and had even more power. Enough to flat out obliterate Dooku, and easily defeat Cin Drallig with one hand while using his free hand to kill his padawan.True, although he defeated Dooku through vastly superior physical strength augmented by his limitless Force-reserves, not superior skill.
The same Cin Drallig who Dooku thought would kill Grievous in a duel.Dooku said it would be best to retreat against Drallig and the Council members if he lacked specific advantages, not that they would flat-out kill him in a fair fight. As someone pointed out to me a few days ago, Mace Windu and Obi-Wan were still fairly hard-pressed to take him down in a duel, and even Dooku himself admitted to as much.
Never mind that Grievous has apparently already forced Kit Fisto to retreat in a fair fight; Fisto being one of the best of the best in the Order as far as swordsmanship is considered.
And he did this in the Jedi Temple, which gave a massive increase in power to all lightsiders - of which he was not.Prove that the increase is "massive."
And Anakin noted a surge of power when he was in the top-most spire, where the Force-energies were focused to. There wouldn't be nearly as significant a "boost" anywhere else in the Temple, let alone on ground-level.
His Force power was great enough to hurl a huge statue like a missile and Force Crush a durasteel blast door.Mace crushed eight durasteel super battle-droids while sliding on his back.
And where did Anakin crush a durasteel door?
I think he would beat Mace. Not easily, but often enough.I think he could give Mace a very good fight. But even if you assume that Vader's newfound dark-side power makes him stronger and faster than Mace, it's nothing that Vaapad can't replicate. Factor in shatterpoint and Mace's superior skill, and you have a win for the Jedi.
Originally posted by Faunus
"Of his generation."
"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful jedi alive.." Mace Windu.
"Skywalker has the power to battle a sith lord alone.." Ki-Adi Mundi talking on tackling Sidious.
"And even if the prophecy has been misread, Anakin is the one jedi we can best hope would survive an encounter with a Sith Lord." Agen Kolar talking on tackling Sidious.
Originally posted by Faunus
"And he still can't overpower Obi-Wan.
and?? Soresu Masters are said to have an impenetrable defence, and said to be invincible. and Kenobi is called "THE MASTER of Soresu.." and still Anakin would have eventually overpowered Kenobi had Kenobi not tactically outsmarted him first.
Originally posted by Faunus
This makes it true? He says he can overthrow the Emperor - presumably by Force - and no one corrects him there, either.
what u expected Padme to debate how powerful he is??? I think she was more bothered about how EVIL he is! Lol
and iv left quotes on his power from 3 legendary. Council Members above.
Originally posted by Faunus
True, although he defeated Dooku through vastly superior physical strength augmented by his limitless Force-reserves, not superior skill.]
he was basically too strong, too fast and just way too powerful for Dooku.
and dnt underestimate Anakin's technical skill. by RODV he is trained in all forms of combat, which means he must be trained in most forms by ROTS. add that to having perfectly mastered Djem So and you have a Very Technically skilled Chosen One.
Originally posted by Faunus
[B]I think he could give Mace a very good fight. But even if you assume that Vader's newfound dark-side power makes him stronger and faster than Mace, it's nothing that Vaapad can't replicate. Factor in shatterpoint and Mace's superior skill, and you have a win for the Jedi.
yeah probably. Vapaads advantage on darksiders is gna make things very difficult for Vader.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI was talking about his strength and speed.
"The Most Powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The strongest. The fastest." - the narrator."Skywalker is arguably the most powerful jedi alive.." Mace Windu.
"Skywalker has the power to battle a sith lord alone.." Ki-Adi Mundi talking on tackling Sidious.
"And even if the prophecy has been misread, Anakin is the one jedi we can best hope would survive an encounter with a Sith Lord." Agen Kolar talking on tackling Sidious.
and?? Soresu Masters are said to have an impenetrable defence, and said to be invincible. and Kenobi is called "THE MASTER of Soresu.." and still Anakin would have eventually overpowered Kenobi had Kenobi not tactically outsmarted him first.Talking about the Force-push contest.
what u expected Padme to debate how powerful he is??? I think she was more bothered about how EVIL he is! LolTrue.
and iv left quotes on his power from 3 legendary. Council Members above.The Jedi Council also though Agen Kolar and Mace Windu alone would be enough to defeat Darth Sidious.
he was basically too strong, too fast and just way too powerful for Dooku.Too strong because of his natural Force-reserves, not too fast. And Dooku would've likely manhandled him with the Force had he been inclined to at first.
and dnt underestimate Anakin's technical skill. by RODV he is trained in all forms of combat, which means he must be trained in most forms by ROTS. add that to having perfectly mastered Djem So and you have a Very Technically skilled Chosen One.Who's still not as skilled as Mace Windu. And prove that he was a Djem So "master."