I think Hawkeye and BW worked well because you don't have to spend a whole movie working out their backgrounds and powers like you would Hank and Janet.
They are super secret agents of shield, that explains just about enough of what you need to know. Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Captain america those were the people who needed their own move to get fleshed out and were the most important.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I would have preferred Hank and Janet as the supporting heroes instead of Hawkeye and Black Widow.Agreed its unlikely they will be doing Ultron without Hank.
And Darth Maul is one of the coolest badass villains of all time. He didn't need depth. Not talking is what made him scary/work.
Yes, but you don't tend to care about someone unless they have depth. He was a good opponent, but I don't know how much I'd care about him otherwise.
Though I did RP him once...
Originally posted by Kazenji
Did he get fleshed out with the various comics that they did?
Yep.
Originally posted by Newjak
I would have preferred them both. I actually think that was a major problem with the prequels is that the villains just were not around long enough and they all died so quickly.Obviously the clone wars helped flesh them out but I would have liked to see it in the movies more.
I meant the Maul not being dead thing 😛
Originally posted by Newjak
I would have preferred them both. I actually think that was a major problem with the prequels is that the villains just were not around long enough and they all died so quickly.Obviously the clone wars helped flesh them out but I would have liked to see it in the movies more.
In Episode 1, Maul was just there for the action, it was Darth Sidious pulling the strings who was the real villain.
In fact he was the main villain of the prequels.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Did he get fleshed out with the various comics that they did?
In the comics they pretty much just showed his uncoditional loyalty to the Sith, and how hardcore his training was.
Im hoping they give the character more with his return in the clone wars.
Originally posted by Newjak
I think Hawkeye and BW worked well because you don't have to spend a whole movie working out their backgrounds and powers like you would Hank and Janet.
Yeah thats true. But Nick Fury says to Tony Stark in Iron Man 1 "so you think you're the only superhero.."
But who else was there at that point? The Hulk?
So it kind of would have been Ok to have 2 more technology based heroes, without having to delve too much into how they got their powers.
Recap and deconstruction of the Super Bowl trailer.
I also wish it was Hank and wasp instead of bw and hawkeye. Like another poster said whedon would have done great stuff if their personalities were thrown into the mix. Also personally, I'd care a hell of alot more about those two than black widow and hawkeye. Seriously, with thor, IM, hulk and cap in the movie, I don't see myself giving a s#it about those two. The way the personalities blend on the new show just make me wish the pyms were included in the movie even more.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIt's not just powers, but personality, motivations, that kind of thing.
In Episode 1, Maul was just there for the action, it was Darth Sidious pulling the strings who was the real villain.In fact he was the main villain of the prequels.
In the comics they pretty much just showed his uncoditional loyalty to the Sith, and how hardcore his training was.
Im hoping they give the character more with his return in the clone wars.
Yeah thats true. But Nick Fury says to Tony Stark in Iron Man 1 "so you think you're the only superhero.."
But who else was there at that point? The Hulk?
So it kind of would have been Ok to have 2 more technology based heroes, without having to delve too much into how they got their powers.
One of the things that is cool is that the main people all had solo movies for you to flesh out their characters. You know who they are before going in. It's one of the things I'm looking forward to. I don't have to spend a half hour each learning who Thor is, then Cap, then Ironman, then Hulk and what drives them. It's already there. Now we get to focus more on character interactions which is the going to be awesome I think.
Plus what else would Hank and Janet bring to the movie? Power wise they don't add anything. I mean Hank growing is cool to look at but when you have the Hulk and Thor what kind of help does that add?
Also you already have the super smart guy in Tony Stark so do you really Hank. Probably not.
You could make a better case for Janet being in it but again you have to flesh her out some which takes away from the other characters that everyone all wants to see. Plus its hard to have Janet without Hank or vice versa.
Vs Hakweye and BW. They add more in that they make the team a little more relatable, cause then its not just all super powered people. They add the secret spy stuff angle, and compared to Janet and Hank you don't have to flesh out their motivations or origins or characters as much. They're spies they are great at their job, and they are doing their job. You can save anything deeper for another solo movie.
I'm not saying adding Hank and Janet to the movie in primary roles wouldn't work, but I think the payoff isn't as good as what you'll have to give up by having them on the screen.
They aren't going to fill any roles that haven't already been filled by the other main characters. Plus they don't have the name recognition that they are gonna bring in any other part of the market.
Originally posted by roughrider
Recap and deconstruction of the Super Bowl trailer.
Wish they went for a darker complexion with the Hulk, like in the Incredible Hulk movie. Also looking at that huge leap seems like Hulk might be back to the Ang Lee power set.
Still looks awsome!
Getting a closer look at the screen captures of the villains attacking, I don't think these are the Knights Of Wundagore, as was rumoured.
The Kree and the Skrull has been denied by the studio heads...
Maybe the Phalanx?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_%28comics%29
Kevin Feige says it was definitely a known Marvel alien species.
They looked almost like Frost Giants to me.
And they are technically aliens.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wish they went for a darker complexion with the Hulk, like in the Incredible Hulk movie. Also looking at that huge leap seems like Hulk might be back to the Ang Lee power set.Still looks awsome!
Indeed. I really like how they are making Hulk the Avengers' ace in the hole rather than say Thor.
Has a recent comic cover featuring Hawkeye been recreated for the movie?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/superawessomesite/news/?a=54321
Originally posted by roughrider
Getting a closer look at the screen captures of the villains attacking, I don't think these are the Knights Of Wundagore, as was rumoured.The Kree and the Skrull has been denied by the studio heads...
Maybe the Phalanx?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_%28comics%29
Kevin Feige says it was definitely a known Marvel alien species.
My guess would be the Rigellians.
Originally posted by roughrider
Getting a closer look at the screen captures of the villains attacking, I don't think these are the Knights Of Wundagore, as was rumoured.The Kree and the Skrull has been denied by the studio heads...
Maybe the Phalanx?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_%28comics%29
Kevin Feige says it was definitely a known Marvel alien species.
They won't go with the Phallanx so early though I can see the resembelence. The Phallanx would own the Avengers at such an early stage. Though movies dumb villains down.
I still think the High Evolutionary is a good choice. Any actual alien race from 616 Marvel is easily possible.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
My guess would be the Rigellians.
I would prefer them.
Originally posted by roughriderThat can all change when more context has been given.
Hulk is implied as the nuclear option. Tony lets Loki know that he can talk or negotiate with the others, but once Hulk gets going he's unstoppable.
Maybe Tony thinks Hulk is his ace only to have everyone find out nope Loki can take Hulk out to. 😛