Exxon Mobil: Biggest profit in U.S. history

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you ever had the power to change the world I'd choose suicide over living in it.

And those owning the wealth are usually the ones providing valuable services to society,

The reason they have the money is because of the scarcity of what they're producing. That's why Exxon is making these profits. Because of the real or assumed scarcity of the oil. Money is produced out of scarcity, and you need to realise that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
that you and idiots like you just take for granted. They don't have that wealth by sitting on their asses doing nothing, you know?

Why not metaphorical and PVS?

Originally posted by lord xyz
NO! Absolutely NOT!

The reason they have the money is because of the scarcity of what they're producing. That's why Exxon is making these profits. Because of the real or assumed scarcity of the oil. Money is produced out of scarcity, and you need to realise that.

Why'd I deny that? It's very basic. Supply and Demand. You really just stumbled upon this within the last weeks? 😐

Originally posted by lord xyz
I do know. I know people work for money, but that's because we're told we need money to survive and earn respect, which is nothing but an illusion and a lie. If there was no money, we wouldn't need it.

I don't know. I think it's more because in this society we actually need money to lead a luxurios life. I don't deny that other ways might be possible (not the Venus one of course, that would just cause most people to die and the rest to live in huts made of shit, but in general)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why'd I deny that? It's very basic. Supply and Demand. You really just stumbled upon this within the last weeks? 😐

You do know what it means, don't you?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know. I think it's more because in this society we actually need money to lead a luxurios life. I don't deny that other ways might be possible (not the Venus one of course, that would just cause most people to die and the rest to live in huts made of shit, but in general)

The houses it proposes are houses that are resistant to earthquakes and hurricanes etc. ...and this isn't what they imagined like I assume you'd say. This material actually exists.

Originally posted by lord xyz
How the **** can you be okay with a system that produces scarcity?

You do know what it means, don't you?

Where did you get huts made of shit?

The houses it proposes are houses that are resistant to earthquakes and hurricanes etc. ...and this isn't what they imagined like I assume you'd say. This material actually exists.

And huts of shit I got from the fact that NO ONE IS GOING TO MAKE THE ****ING SUPERHOUSES.

technically, there is no way to eliminate scarcity on any resource

Originally posted by Bardock42
It doesn't necessarily produce scarcity. Scarcity is in many cases a fact of life, which no one can change.

We have enough resources now to have abundant energy. Solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, wave. Yet, you would rather believe the lie so you get the money you don't even need.

We have an abundance of food, eduction, housing. However, the system is based on self interest and scarcity. That's why poverty has gone up in the last 50 years.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And, something that you don't consider is that, the monetary system creates abundance in work force.

...and you say this as if work is a good thing. That people love working and working is good. I'm sure you'd have a different opinion if you were one of those people in the pits.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Which is extremely essential in sustaining a society. It's one of the major problems that communism has and it is the problem that the Venus project has (the one you avoided in your debate with inimalist, remember?).

Originally posted by Bardock42
I can think of two ways how to take care of that problem, by force (as communism tried in the "communist" governments we know) or by incentives (i.e. success through money)...and frankly, I prefer the system we have. Which is not to say that certain social programs aren't very valuable to society as a whole-.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And huts of shit I got from the fact that NO ONE IS GOING TO MAKE THE ****ING SUPERHOUSES.

Originally posted by inimalist
technically, there is no way to eliminate scarcity on any resource

Originally posted by lord xyz
Is air scarce?

lol

yes

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

yes

Originally posted by lord xyz
What?

I assume by "air" you mean oxygen, for breathing, and not "air" for pnumatics or something like that.

at any given time there is a finite amount of breathable air on Earth.

Jesus, your latest fad you blindly believe is quite annoying.

Originally posted by lord xyz
BULLSHIT!

We have enough resources now to have abundant energy. Solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, wave. Yet, you would rather believe the lie so you get the money you don't even need.

So, if that's so true, what stops you from using this power (and as long as we are in this system even make a shitload of money off of it?)

Originally posted by lord xyz
We have an abundance of food, eduction, housing. However, the system is based on self interest and scarcity. That's why poverty has gone up in the last 50 years.

Inimalist covered that it is more a problem of infra-structure. It's not really the lack of money, as, for example, there is plenty of aid for Africa, the problem is that the distribution is ****ed in Africa.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then why is unemployment rising? Why are there thousands struggling to get jobs? It's obviously not an abundance.

You didn't understand. I didn't say there's an abundance of work. I said there is an abundance of work force to achieve things.

Originally posted by lord xyz
...and you say this as if work is a good thing. That people love working and working is good. I'm sure you'd have a different opinion if you were one of those people in the pits.

I don't. I say this with a believe that living in nice houses, while eating nice food and being clothed in nice clothes is a good thing. I also say that people working is, at the moment, the only thing achieving those. If everyone stopped working people that were in the pits wouldn't suddenly live like Paul McCartney or Bill Gates. They'd still live shitty (shittier even), just that everyone else would, too.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't remember. Please point it out.

I quoted it in your cult thread. It's my last post in there, I believe. I said something along the lines of "This point is the major flaw with your utopian cult".

Originally posted by lord xyz
If everyone got the resources they need, and people were in a society where everything was given to them, new incentives would arise. It's unfair to say there will be no incentive since this hasn't been tried. Of course the burdan is on me, but I don't know. You'd be better off searching Jacque Fresco if you want to know about the venus project.

Where would they come from? You are proposing something. Provide proof. You are no better than those Christian Evolution haters, whose only argument is "God did it". Yours is..."the Venus project would do it". Even worse, why should I research your bogus latest cult?

Originally posted by lord xyz
You don't know that.

No. I don't. But the risk is a bit big, innit?

lord.....save us from the shit huts.

kick in the sack, yes, surprise, no.

Originally posted by inimalist
I assume by "air" you mean oxygen, for breathing, and not "air" for pnumatics or something like that.

at any given time there is a finite amount of breathable air on Earth.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Jesus, your latest fad you blindly believe is quite annoying.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, if that's so true, what stops you from using this power (and as long as we are in this system even make a shitload of money off of it?)

Originally posted by Bardock42
Inimalist covered that it is more a problem of infra-structure. It's not really the lack of money, as, for example, there is plenty of aid for Africa, the problem is that the distribution is ****ed in Africa.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You didn't understand. I didn't say there's an abundance of work. I said there is an abundance of work force to achieve things.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't. I say this with a believe that living in nice houses, while eating nice food and being clothed in nice clothes is a good thing. I also say that people working is, at the moment, the only thing achieving those. If everyone stopped working people that were in the pits wouldn't suddenly live like Paul McCartney or Bill Gates. They'd still live shitty (shittier even), just that everyone else would, too.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I quoted it in your cult thread. It's my last post in there, I believe. I said something along the lines of "This point is the major flaw with your utopian cult".

Anyway, I want you to provide a link.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Where would they come from? You are proposing something. Provide proof. You are no better than those Christian Evolution haters, whose only argument is "God did it". Yours is..."the Venus project would do it". Even worse, why should I research your bogus latest cult?

Or do you not care, are you just trying to make me look a fool as if it's important in your life?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Or do you not care, are you just trying to make me look a fool as if it's important in your life?

You didn't know that winning the internetz is the most important thing on the whole planet?

Originally posted by lord xyz

..................................It isn't scarce.

Again, why don't you or anyone else create those amazing alternative energies that will solve our dependency on oil forever, if the technology is just there for grabs?

Originally posted by lord xyz
And how many people are solving this?

Dunno, a million? It's really mostly Africa itself that should deal with their problems, frankly.

Originally posted by lord xyz
That would be true with or without money.

No. There would be no reason for people to work, so you'd have to deal with a significant cut in work force. Which would lead to strongly decreased luxury in living.

Originally posted by lord xyz
The idea that the venus project proposes is looking after the entire community...and the world is the community. So shit living wouldn't happen.

Would they force people to work and assign them what to work? And who would lead the Venus project and assign people to their work?

Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm flattered that you think this is utopia, but it isn't. Society keeps changing, so utopia can never exist.

I didn't say it is an Utopia in my opinion. It is an utopian idea though. Someone's Utopia can be the other man's Dys-. For example, the namesake of the whole idea, I personally find quite horriffic.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Anyway, I want you to provide a link.

N-no? Go **** yourself?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, if you research it, you'd get a better view on it.

Doubt it. If I researched it any more I'd probably just find it even more idiotic. And your constant preaching does certainly nothing to improve my view of the whole nonsense.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Or do you not care, are you just trying to make me look a fool as if it's important in your life?

You make yourself look a fool. I just point it out for your sake and my entertainment. I know you are extremely impressionable and I wouldn't mind if, ultimately, when you grow up and set on one opinion it would be closer resembling mine than the communist nonsense you lately picked up. Selfish reason, but the more libertarians the better, really.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, why don't you or anyone else create those amazing alternative energies that will solve our dependency on oil forever, if the technology is just there for grabs?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dunno, a million? It's really mostly Africa itself that should deal with their problems, frankly.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No. There would be no reason for people to work, so you'd have to deal with a significant cut in work force. Which would lead to strongly decreased luxury in living.

I've already proven that money isn't the reason people work. When you're a child you don't understand money, and you have all these dreams of doing something. That's why we go to college too. To study something we already have interest in. You fail to realise this, as you've been spoon fed this whole idea that we need money.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Would they force people to work and assign them what to work? And who would lead the Venus project and assign people to their work?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I didn't say it is an Utopia in my opinion. It is an utopian idea though. Someone's Utopia can be the other man's Dys-. For example, the namesake of the whole idea, I personally find quite horriffic.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Doubt it. If I researched it any more I'd probably just find it even more idiotic. And your constant preaching does certainly nothing to improve my view of the whole nonsense.

"Oh lord, how can I live without my precious money? I wanna own a big business when I'm older so I can have the biggest cock in society." That's pretty much what I get from you.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You make yourself look a fool. I just point it out for your sake and my entertainment. I know you are extremely impressionable and I wouldn't mind if, ultimately, when you grow up and set on one opinion it would be closer resembling mine than the communist nonsense you lately picked up. Selfish reason, but the more libertarians the better, really.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well, I'm 16, and I'm not technologically advanced. So yeah, that is a problem. Thanks for telling me what I already knew.

Dodged what I asked.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why must you constantly ignore the fact that the better the world is, the better your life is?

False accusation. I question your ideal world being better. Not my life being better if the world was.

Originally posted by lord xyz
False.

I've already proven that money isn't the reason people work. When you're a child you don't understand money, and you have all these dreams of doing something. That's why we go to college too. To study something we already have interest in. You fail to realise this, as you've been spoon fed this whole idea that we need money.

You have proven no such thing. And still. Who ever dreamt of working in coal mines. Of driving a Bus all day. Of picking up the trash of other people. Of working in a factory repeating the same action over and over again. Of sitting in a crate, doing boring, long infrastructual work? Those are jobs that still need to be done. That hardly anyone wants to, that people only do because they have to. Why would they do it in your system? Why would they pick up shit from the streets? Would you?

Originally posted by lord xyz
I wouldn't need to.

Y-yeah you would? How would you get anything done? How would the dream houses you talk about be manufactured? How would cars be created? How would the pipes under the streets be maintained? How would the streets for that matter be maintained? How would our old folks be supported? Do you just hope that there would be enough people willing to do that? Would you? Would you wipe the ass of old people in a retirement home for all your life?

Originally posted by lord xyz
So who's opinion was it?

Y-yours, you ****. You find the society you propose ideal, I find it idiotic.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Probably because you're too arrogant and ignorant.

Or cause I don't buy into every shit I see in an Internet video. Come on, dude, think for yourself.

Originally posted by lord xyz
"Oh lord, how can I live without my precious money? I wanna own a big business when I'm older so I can have the biggest cock in society." That's pretty much what I get from you.

Totally disregards what I, and others, have said to you. Idiotic that you'd think that's what I have been saying as well. You need to just ****ing think for a second and realize that you have been a mindless drone and need to look at things more logically.

Originally posted by lord xyz
If I were you, I'd seek medical help. Just one look at myself would depress me.

No. That would be if you were me, but still thought like you. If you were me actually you'd realize that what I've been saying made ****ing sense and what an uninformed, juvenile and arrogant kid you've been.

Off the topic but.........Hey Bardock am I on your ignore list yet???? 😂

Originally posted by Bardock42
Dodged what I asked.

Originally posted by Bardock42
False accusation. I question your ideal world being better. Not my life being better if the world was.

I didn't mean you personally. If the world is better, your life, as well as mine and everyone else's would be better.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You have proven no such thing. And still. Who ever dreamt of working in coal mines. Of driving a Bus all day. Of picking up the trash of other people. Of working in a factory repeating the same action over and over again. Of sitting in a crate, doing boring, long infrastructual work? Those are jobs that still need to be done. That hardly anyone wants to, that people only do because they have to. Why would they do it in your system? Why would they pick up shit from the streets? Would you?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Y-yeah you would? How would you get anything done? How would the dream houses you talk about be manufactured? How would cars be created? How would the pipes under the streets be maintained? How would the streets for that matter be maintained? How would our old folks be supported? Do you just hope that there would be enough people willing to do that? Would you? Would you wipe the ass of old people in a retirement home for all your life?

Do you even listen to me?

I've said that before too.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Y-yours, you ****. You find the society you propose ideal, I find it idiotic.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Or cause I don't buy into every shit I see in an Internet video. Come on, dude, think for yourself.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Totally disregards what I, and others, have said to you. Idiotic that you'd think that's what I have been saying as well. You need to just ****ing think for a second and realize that you have been a mindless drone and need to look at things more logically.