Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Not that type of slippery slope, honestly- the real type not the argument type. The slippery slope of "Well thats OK" which leads to "I guess this is OK too" and ultimately "This is also now"The slippery slope that goes
Its ok to show the piano leg >>> Its ok to show a woman's leg >>> Its ok for a woman to be perfectly naked on view to anyone...
Get it?
I get it. It's still wrong. The 'real' type of slippery slope is the one I mention, the fallacy, the fallacy that you commit, and the fallacy that DK didn't commit.
That example is silly, no one has said anything similar to that in the context of gay marriage, so it's pointless.
Originally posted by BackFire
I get it. It's still wrong. The 'real' type of slippery slope is the one I mention, the fallacy, the fallacy that you commit, and the fallacy that DK didn't commit.That example is silly, no one has said anything similar to that in the context of gay marriage, so it's pointless.
Your still totally misunderstanding me, as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by Aequo Animo
Discrimination is necessary in many cases for everyday life. A child cannot legally obtain a drivers license until the age of 16 or 17, which is very fair and that is discrimination.
I'm against gay marriage because of how I view the sanctity of marriage, which stills holds more meaning than one can comprehend to many people. If that means redefining the term marriage today to uphold the more traditional substance, so be it.
And its not rape if they want it! 😄
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Spending time talking with people is never a waste of time DK., I'm sorry you think that.
Telling someone something they already know? Yes, I would consider that a waste of time. How many hours would you waste trying to convert the Pope to Catholicism?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Single segment? Contrasting a time when people were told being gay was a sin and they would burn in hell for it to a time when in Sex Ed classes they are told not to be ashamed of what they are? Yeah I'd say that it is encouraged...(to embrace their sexuality, not to turn gay I mean)
You're saying that teachers encourage homosexuality? Parents encourage homosexuality? Was teaching sex ed while kids were and are being told by their parents at home that homosexuals were godless heathens, encouraging heterosexuality? That sounds like the reverse slippery slope.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Which is why I have every right to say "Sure you can be married in the eyes of the state, but its not a marriage I recognise" just as you say I can have my religion but its not something you recognise as true. Thats fine IMO, its called civility.
Sure you have every right to say it; no one has said anything to the contrary. But I also have the right to tell you where you're in error and when you're drawing false comparisons.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
That was an extension of your argument "One group of people can't tell another group of people what they can or can't do" Reductio Ad Absurdum I know, but still....
No, it is not. As an inanimate, unliving thing your house has no rights. The rights extended to it are yours, not the the object's. If you want to spend the rest of your life in a marriage to a cinder block, it's okay with me. That's pretty much how I feel about you spending the rest of your life in an imaginary homosexual marriage to your version of Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
See now I feel a little silly because I like you, I actually thought we were pretty friendly as far as forums go...I didn't realise that isn't the case...
That's fine. I don't dislike you. I simply don't place any more stock in you than what you say. But, you did clearly say that much of what you have said in this conversation was based on you telling a gay man that thinks your religion is silly that his rights are invalid as a measure of revenge for his position on your space god. Well, I'm not going to leave this conversation with anything but a firm comitment to my position that your religion is silly, especially since you're using it as a means to condemn homosexual's rights.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I think your using this whole issue as a weapon now- oh look I've become a bigot...also what rights am I trying to exclude people from which I have? Seriously, what ones?
Marriage. Remember, the topic of the thread?
Originally posted by Devil King
Telling someone something they already know? Yes, I would consider that a waste of time. How many hours would you waste trying to convert the Pope to Catholicism?
Hmm, I might spend a little while trying to see him things he already knows in a different light...well not the Pope, but average joe catholic.
Originally posted by Devil King
You're saying that teachers encourage homosexuality? Parents encourage homosexuality? Was teaching sex ed while kids were and are being told by their parents at home that homosexuals were godless heathens, encouraging heterosexuality? That sounds like the reverse slippery slope.
Originally posted by Devil King
Sure you have every right to say it; no one has said anything to the contrary. But I also have the right to tell you where you're in error and when you're drawing false comparisons.
No, it is not. As an inanimate, unliving thing your house has no rights. The rights extended to it are yours, not the the object's. If you want to spend the rest of your life in a marriage to a cinder block, it's okay with me. That's pretty much how I feel about you spending the rest of your life in an imaginary homosexual marriage to your version of Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by Devil King
That's fine. I don't dislike you. I simply don't place any more stock in you than what you say. But, you did clearly say that much of what you have said in this conversation was based on you telling a gay man that thinks your religion is silly that his rights are invalid as a measure of revenge for his position on your space god. Well, I'm not going to leave this conversation with anything but a firm comitment to my position that your religion is silly, especially since you're using it as a means to condemn homosexual's rights.
Anyway, it isn't nice is it?
Originally posted by Devil King
Marriage. Remember, the topic of the thread?
[edit] to hell with it your being a right dippit about this, so no you can't get married. I am trying to humour you, your evil an abomination, god hates you, i hate you, nature dies everytime you breath.........thats what you would want me to say isnt it? You seem to need to turn opposition to gay marriage into a persecution...(Thank God I don't oppose gay marriage and fully endorse free will). Also, what do you expect me so say when someone asks my opinion on gay marriages? Should I lie so as not to hurt your feelings? Should I lie so that I don't attract controversy and have people think I am a bigot? Or should I tell the truth and say what I beleive?
What type of word would you rather live in DK? One where people can say what they believe or one where people have to lie and hid in closets covering up how they really feel for fear of being attacked and abused?
For those asshats arguing that two men being married is an affront to the definition of marriage, a "marriage" can be defined as simply being "a union" or two.
Also, Inimalist brought up an excellent point which was conveniently skipped, if we're sticking to the traditional definitions of marriage, because that's the "right" way and the way it should be. My father-in-law owes me a dowry for taking his daughter off his hands and I certainly want the state of California to recognize that I both have greater rights than my wife and the final say over her person.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Dear God you are being stubborn. As i stated, they are encouraged by the state-schools to embrace their sexuality- whatever that may be. They are taught that who a person finds attractive is not under their control and we should accept it. I stated that in my clarification of what I meant.
So, there is a state mandate that encourages heterosexuality as well as homosexuality?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Sure you have every right to say it; no one has said anything to the contrary.No, it is not. As an inanimate, unliving thing your house has no rights. The rights extended to it are yours, not the the object's. If you want to spend the rest of your life in a marriage to a cinder block, it's okay with me. That's pretty much how I feel about you spending the rest of your life in an imaginary homosexual marriage to your version of Jesus Christ.
As an non-living thing that belongs to you, your rights are extended to the house. The house itself, independant of an occupying presence or an owner, has no rights.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
That's good then. I didn't think/expect you did. No, it was telling you that his marriage was as invalid from my religious perspective- ironically that shouldn't bother you as my religion is "silly". Also, as I stated I am not trying to denying anyone's rights...I don't know where you are getting that from...Sure you have every right to say it; no one has said anything to the contrary.
Yes, your religion is archaic and silly; just like thinking homosexuals are demons or under the influence of satan. But I'm not using silliness to define my argument, you are. As for questioning why I would argue with a concet that is "silly", I argue it because it is the basis so many people use to justify their silliness. Were you given the option to vote on the ability of your fellow countrymen to enter into a civil union?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Anyway, it isn't nice is it?
Ha! It's nothing I don't experience on some level everyday or under an imaginable circumstance. It isn't nice or altering. When you're fumbling down the street in your funny hat and getting some measure of reverence from everyone because you have a funny little collar on, then I guess you'll know what it's like to sit across from a guy on the subway that wishes you would die or when one of your friends hates you for becoming a priest. What you're doing is saying that it's justified because you feel like you have always wanted to grow up to be a prienst. Well, that's not what it's like to be gay. In fact, it's totally opposite. There were many times in life when I wished I wasn't gay. I got over it, and now you and the guy on the subway can suck it, as far as I'm concerned.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
oh, funny I thought I said they should be allowed to get married...HA.
"They"? They homosexuals that you have spent the last three pages saying should be seperate but not equal? That "they"?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
[edit] to hell with it your being a right dippit about this, so no you can't get married. I am trying to humour you, your evil an abomination, god hates you, i hate you, nature dies everytime you breath.........thats what you would want me to say isnt it? You seem to need to turn opposition to gay marriage into a persecution...(Thank God I don't oppose gay marriage and fully endorse free will). Also, what do you expect me so say when someone asks my opinion on gay marriages? Should I lie so as not to hurt your feelings? Should I lie so that I don't attract controversy and have people think I am a bigot? Or should I tell the truth and say what I beleive?
No, you don't endorse gay marriage. You endorse them knowing their place in the hierarchy of your church, which you believe is reality for everyone whether they believe it or not. Don't act the martyr. You're not Jesus. Say what you want about it, but don't act like you're the victim when others point out how wrong you are.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
What type of word would you rather live in DK? One where people can say what they believe or one where people have to lie and hid in closets covering up how they really feel for fear of being attacked and abused?
Don't for a single moment think you are important enough to send all gay people back into the closet. And don't for one second think that gay people today enjoy a single right folks like you gave them. Those rights were taken, at a price. Dead people on back alley streets and barbed wire fences on the heartland plains paid the price. If it were up to people who used your excuse, we'd all still be forced to join the catholic priesthood to get a bit of guilt head from a scared child who was raised to think we had their soul in our hands. What you're saying is that I should be grateful for what little I've been given by people who think like you. What's sad? It's sad you can divorce your own logic from the mental filth you've decided to subscribe to and have not one ounce of remorse for that willful intolerance. It's not a far cry from the angry, powerless bigot that actually does think the way you speak.
Originally posted by Devil King
If you vote anything other than NO, then you clearly have very much against gays.As for yourself or lil B thinking gays should want their own ritual; the need for one is totally moot. When all is said and don it's two people deciding to share their lives. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. When two people make a commitment to spend the rest of their lives in an exclusive relationship, it's called a marriage. However, unlike lil B, you have expressed this opinion for all the reasons I stated in my previous post; you just like being asked by a people, gays, if they can please have the same rights Mr. THE MAN, you, has? please, please, please....
Who the **** do you think you are?
Calm your nerve little fella, if I did vote, I'd have the right to vote as I please. I don't have to be all for gay marriage because you are, I happen to think differently. It's not like I'm homophobic, I just think marriage should only be for men and women, is all. If you're offended by that, that's too bad.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
Calm your nerve little fella, if I did vote, I'd have the right to vote as I please. I don't have to be all for gay marriage because you are, I happen to think differently. It's not like I'm homophobic, I just think marriage should only be for men and women, is all. If you're offended by that, that's too bad.
I'm not asking you to be for gay marriage becuse your're too stupid to be for it; I'm asking you to be for gay marriage because it's as sensical as your own marriage. Yes, you are homophobic, otherwise you could understand the difference between the two. But you can't, which is why you're a tool. You espouse equality but do everything you can to prevent it? **** you and I hope your children suffer from it.
Sure, there are other who defend my poisiotn, but i'm on the side that you people should be punished for your perspective on it.
Thanks for pointing out that you mean nothing to the actual voters on the matter.
Originally posted by Devil King
So, there is a state mandate that encourages heterosexuality as well as homosexuality?As an non-living thing that belongs to you, your rights are extended to the house. The house itself, independant of an occupying presence or an owner, has no rights.
Yes, your religion is archaic and silly; just like thinking homosexuals are demons or under the influence of satan. But I'm not using silliness to define my argument, you are. As for questioning why I would argue with a concet that is "silly", I argue it because it is the basis so many people use to justify their silliness. Were you given the option to vote on the ability of your fellow countrymen to enter into a civil union?
Ha! It's nothing I don't experience on some level everyday or under an imaginable circumstance. It isn't nice or altering. When you're fumbling down the street in your funny hat and getting some measure of reverence from everyone because you have a funny little collar on, then I guess you'll know what it's like to sit across from a guy on the subway that wishes you would die or when one of your friends hates you for becoming a priest. What you're doing is saying that it's justified because you feel like you have always wanted to grow up to be a prienst. Well, that's not what it's like to be gay. In fact, it's totally opposite. There were many times in life when I wished I wasn't gay. I got over it, and now you and the guy on the subway can suck it, as far as I'm concerned.
"They"? They homosexuals that you have spent the last three pages saying should be seperate but not equal? That "they"?
No, you don't endorse gay marriage. You endorse them knowing their place in the hierarchy of your church, which you believe is reality for everyone whether they believe it or not. Don't act the martyr. You're not Jesus. Say what you want about it, but don't act like you're the victim when others point out how wrong you are.
Don't for a single moment think you are important enough to send all gay people back into the closet. And don't for one second think that gay people today enjoy a single right folks like you gave them. Those rights were taken, at a price. Dead people on back alley streets and barbed wire fences on the heartland plains paid the price. If it were up to people who used your excuse, we'd all still be forced to join the catholic priesthood to get a bit of guilt head from a scared child who was raised to think we had their soul in our hands. What you're saying is that I should be grateful for what little I've been given by people who think like you. What's sad? It's sad you can divorce your own logic from the mental filth you've decided to subscribe to and have not one ounce of remorse for that willful intolerance. It's not a far cry from the angry, powerless bigot that actually does think the way you speak.
With all this hate, you will never be happy...I don't think even you will ever accept the validity of your so called marriage.
Originally posted by Devil King
I'm not asking you to be for gay marriage becuse your're too stupid to be for it; I'm asking you to be for gay marriage because it's as sensical as your own marriage. Yes, you are homophobic, otherwise you could understand the difference between the two. But you can't, which is why you're a tool. You espouse equality but do everything you can to prevent it? **** you and I hope your children suffer from it.Sure, there are other who defend my poisiotn, but i'm on the side that you people should be punished for your perspective on it.
Thanks for pointing out that you mean nothing to the actual voters on the matter.
While I respect your opinion, there are some things wrong with this post:
Becuse should be spelled because.
Your're should be spelled you're
Poisiotn should be spelled position
Now, addressing the actual meaning of the post, I can safely say that I am completely against homosexual marriage, but if I met a gay or had to work with one, I'm not going to shun him because of life choices. One of my flesh and blood brothers is a homosexual, but I love him to death, and just as much as anyone in my family. The fact of the matter is that you can't think that someone has to be for something because you are, and insulting them isn't going to prove your point at all. Neither is trying to say my children should suffer because of my personal views. It only makes you look worse. Pretty much everyone else here has kept a cool head, so try to do the same instead of just spewing insults about someone you know nothing about.
Originally posted by Markus Corvinus
While I respect your opinion, there are some things wrong with this post:Becuse should be spelled [b]because
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Your're should be spelled you're
Poisiotn should be spelled positionNow, addressing the actual meaning of the post, I can safely say that I am completely against homosexual marriage, but if I met a gay or had to work with one, I'm not going to shun him because of life choices. One of my flesh and blood brothers is a homosexual, but I love him to death, and just as much as anyone in my family. The fact of the matter is that you can't think that someone has to be for something because you are, and insulting them isn't going to prove your point at all. Neither is trying to say my children should suffer because of my personal views. It only makes you look worse. Pretty much everyone else here has kept a cool head, so try to do the same instead of just spewing insults about someone you know nothing about. [/B]
He is just angry hence the mistakes.
He longs to be"normal" like the rest of us you see...