Emma Frost vs Magneto

New Mutants Vol. 1 #35, X-Men Vol. 2 #25.

And yes Magneto did defeat the Shadow King. You should read the comics.

So, Fatal Attractions. My position is: he was not resisting Xavier and Jean. He didn't even detect the attack. The whole point of what they were doing was walking around his mental defences, attempting to decrease his battle efficiency. In that, they succeed since Wolverine, of all people managed to get a shot at him.
Then Jean severed connection and Xavier promptly brutally mind-raped Mags.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I cannot ****ing believe that Magneto, the one true Magneto, would ever, ever bow to Cyclops. It's ridiculous. It's like Thor surrendering to Loki and joining sides with him.

Fraction should stick away from team books. His amazing when his writing Thor and his run on Iron Man has been pretty good.

His run on Ironman could have been pulled off with any thinktank of friends having drinks, the whole reoccurring dream sequence scenarios are filler, but the roster of friends turning up to resurrect him was cool though.

But on Xmen so many people complained about the whole bowing situation, but when I read it, it just looked like he was ashamed. But still sooooooo out of character. He was obviously trying to play Scott for a chump or is completely neutered from seeing his Final Solution destroyed from seeing his master race depleted to less than 300.

But the whole Predator/nano/GeneVillian situation was boring and unnecessary.

I agree he should go back to Thor or Marvel should start releasing comics 80 pages long monthly with less demanding artists so we can get some real plot development! Just like the Japanese!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This shit still going on?

Even current Magneto tosses her into space. Christ, look at what his doing in Uncanny. The bullet feat (The giant one that can bust planets and gets denser as it flies through space.) he is pulling off recently is pretty crazy. And his also about to take on Proteus.

It's clear Fraction doesn't know what his doing with Magneto I believe and is pulling shit out of his ass to keep him powered down. That's what happens when a team wrecker is put on a team. Magneto should be around his early 30's from what I can gather. His in his physical prime as I understand it. Not an old man.

I actually like that they've made him an old man. Chuck and him should be kept arround 50 something apparent age. The roles of mentors and father figures for mutant race are better portrayed by older people, whether they are portrayed as wise old men who have all the answers or as decadent, out of touch dinosaurs the young must tear down and replace. The conflict of generations is lame if they are all the same apparent age.

Marvel should just come up with a permanent explanation for why their aging has stabalized like they did with fury. That way the 20 century relics can remain tied to their historical origins - the holocaust, war of korea - without resorting to mind tansfer between clones and turning into babies.

Besides, tired old men with anger issues kick ass, dark night returns speaks for itself

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I cannot ****ing believe that Magneto, the one true Magneto, would ever, ever bow to Cyclops. It's ridiculous. It's like Thor surrendering to Loki and joining sides with him.

Fraction should stick away from team books. His amazing when his writing Thor and his run on Iron Man has been pretty good.

It was pathetic and out of character, but you're exagerating, magnus never thought cyclops was evil or the real enemy just a misguided, naive brat. M is nowhere near as pedantic and egomanaic as doom either. So, while I believe it was absurd for him to give cyclops that much credit as he is just stumbling about, humbling himself for what he truly believes is best for mutantkind is not beyond him.

Originally posted by the ninjak
His run on Ironman could have been pulled off with any thinktank of friends having drinks, the whole reoccurring dream sequence scenarios are filler, but the roster of friends turning up to resurrect him was cool though.

But on Xmen so many people complained about the whole bowing situation, but when I read it, it just looked like he was ashamed. But still sooooooo out of character. He was obviously trying to play Scott for a chump or is completely neutered from seeing his Final Solution destroyed from seeing his master race depleted to less than 300.

But the whole Predator/nano/GeneVillian situation was boring and unnecessary.

I agree he should go back to Thor or Marvel should start releasing comics 80 pages long monthly with less demanding artists so we can get some real plot development! Just like the Japanese!

The final solution portrayals of magneto are not the dominant ones and, as of the excalibur retcons of xorn, magneto and the people who really know him think it's absurd that he'd go for something like that . Even in house of m, where he was living his fantasy life, he didnt wipe the humans out and raged against pietro's actions in the end. Benevolent (in his view) authoritarianism is more his thing.

Well considering the amount of time that exists in a comic monthly only takes up maybe 2 days. And considering the Marvels have been doing their thing since 64, plus Heroes Reborn. the Marvel's adventures have mathematically only been doing their thing for probably 15 years. The X-men started off as teenagers, now they're in their 30's. Issues of Ironman recently stated that Stark was in his early 20's when he first got the shrapnel in his heart. But I agree bring on the aged warriors surrounded by the mess that is GenY!

Originally posted by 753
The final solution portrayals of magneto are not the dominant ones and, as of the excalibur retcons of xorn, magneto and the people who really know him think it's absurd that he'd go for something like that . Even in house of m, where he was living his fantasy life, he didnt wipe the humans out and raged against pietro's actions in the end. Benevolent (in his view) authoritarianism is more his thing.

+ Age of Apocalypse showed how easily that psycho that was the 60's Magneto could have easily been swayed to the other side. Terrible father figure though. I always saw him as a comparison to Zeus and the Xmen the rest of the Greek gods and their Demigod children.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Well considering the amount of time that exists in a comic monthly only takes up maybe 2 days. And considering the Marvels have been doing their thing since 64, plus Heroes Reborn. the Marvel's adventures have mathematically only been doing their thing for probably 15 years. The X-men started off as teenagers, now they're in their 30's. Issues of Ironman recently stated that Stark was in his early 20's when he first got the shrapnel in his heart. But I agree bring on the aged warriors surrounded by the mess that is GenY!

Yup, mad old people rule!

The problem for timesliding magneto is that he survived the holocaust and chuck was a medical officer in the korea war - a later retcon seems to have him losing use of his legs doing humanitarian work in afghanistan. They met in israel in its early years. Marvel will have to come up with some different traumas to explain their origins and they will most likely loose power as character concepts.

a later retcon seems to have him losing use of his legs doing humanitarian work in afghanistan

Originally posted by 753
Yup, mad old people rule!

The problem for timesliding magneto is that he survived the holocaust and chuck was a medical officer in the korea war - a later retcon seems to have him losing use of his legs doing humanitarian work in afghanistan. They met in israel in its early years. Marvel will have to come up with some different traumas to explain their origins and they will most likely loose power as character concepts.

Mags has re-obtained youth a couple of times. For Xavier I recommended maybe a connection to Cassandra Nova's psionic connection to physical reality, heck Cassandra could have been Xavier's counter personality the whole time ala Sentry/Void created in the womb!

Originally posted by Survivor19
There were no retcons on his loss of legs. Alien by the name of Lucifer messed him up with a block of stone in the mountains near Afganistan, thus ending his solo adventures.

Im fairly certain an older version has him taking a bullet in southeast asia

Originally posted by the ninjak
Mags has re-obtained youth a couple of times. For Xavier I recommended maybe a connection to Cassandra Nova's psionic connection to physical reality, heck Cassandra could have been Xavier's counter personality the whole time ala Sentry/Void created in the womb!

Yes but those explanations are silly. Nick fury is an eternal 50 year old because he's on drugs and that's a lot more acceptable and interesting as it allows him to remain old and eternal.

Chuck's original body died in the 80s and his mind was transfered to an adult but younger clone.

Originally posted by 753
Yes but those explanations are silly. Nick fury is an eternal 50 year old because he's on drugs and that's a lot more acceptable and interesting as it allows him to remain old and eternal.

Chuck's original body died in the 80s and his mind was transfered to an adult but younger clone.

Cool, guess that easily explains his youthful image to counter his history in the scheme of things when it comes to the timeline conversation. He was in his mid 20's when he was in Nam with his step brother Cain. And that would put him in his mid to late 60's. Which he definitely isn't currently. But I miss the old Xavier being the best telepath on the planet and I can't see how Cassandra ( whose powers are so much more developed than his ) could have lost that fight in their mother's womb. Plus the simple fact that her existence didn't emerge until the last few years. She should definitely be a construct of Xavier's dormant abilities and be a sign of what Xavier is ultimately capable of! Being total psionic control of his physical body. He alone deserves this and to create a plot where she was just a primal construct of his dormant potential I believe would be a cool one, and would usher in a new era for the Xmen with Xavier once again seated as the Headmaster and last line of defence for the XMen.

Man I wish I wrote Uncanny!

Originally posted by 753
I actually like that they've made him an old man. Chuck and him should be kept arround 50 something apparent age. The roles of mentors and father figures for mutant race are better portrayed by older people, whether they are portrayed as wise old men who have all the answers or as decadent, out of touch dinosaurs the young must tear down and replace. The conflict of generations is lame if they are all the same apparent age.

Marvel should just come up with a permanent explanation for why their aging has stabalized like they did with fury. That way the 20 century relics can remain tied to their historical origins - the holocaust, war of korea - without resorting to mind tansfer between clones and turning into babies.

Besides, tired old men with anger issues kick ass, dark night returns speaks for itself

If I have my Magneto history right, it makes no sense. Magneto was de-aged by Alpha the Ultimate Mutant in Defenders and then re-aged to the prime of his life by Erik the Red as I recall. He should be like in his early 30s. Not his 50s.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If I have my Magneto history right, it makes no sense. Magneto was de-aged by Alpha the Ultimate Mutant in Defenders and then re-aged to the prime of his life by Erik the Red as I recall. He should be like in his early 30s. Not his 50s.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If I have my Magneto history right, it makes no sense. Magneto was de-aged by Alpha the Ultimate Mutant in Defenders and then re-aged to the prime of his life by Erik the Red as I recall. He should be like in his early 30s. Not his 50s.

you're right about the events, chuck too has been rejuvenated, my point is that it's more interesting to keep them old and that the explanations or why they are not aging are stupid, being turned into a baby? a clone?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Magneto should be around his early 30's from what I can gather. His in his physical prime as I understand it. Not an old man.

Doesn't anyone apart from me read wikipedia? Magneto saw his family killed by the Nazis, and thats in the second world war. that makes him around 70.
at least.
And don't give me that crap about the scarlet witch, do you really think that she's making him 30 again when she's yelling at him in House of M?

Originally posted by psi-aura
Doesn't anyone apart from me read wikipedia?

Nope, you are the sole genius here.

Originally posted by psi-aura
Doesn't anyone apart from me read wikipedia?

Marry me.

Originally posted by the ninjak
What is stopping Mags from tearing some metal out of the ground and wrapping Emma in them? Her strength can't overwhelm electromagnetism. Then taking some of that metal and fusing it into a fine point drill, applying it to anywhere on her body and spinning it really fast. Diamond isn't that hard.....jewellers chip and craft diamond with hammer and tool all the time.

Man! he can make an advanced drill!

Because it is true!