Magneto vs Doom, whos the better leader?

Magneto has more charisma, magnetism even (you know I had to!).

Doom on the other hand has ruthlessness and drive beyond Magneto's capacity. he has a thirst for absolute power which Magneto's rarely, if ever, demonstrated.

as a leader in a tight spot, Doom is the better. his survival instinct, his assessment of a situation - especially a fluid and abnormal one - is far better than Magnetos, in fact far better than any 'mortal' in Marvel imo.

as a leader to look after a state, to keep the people in line without recourse to brutal measures, Magneto would be better. though his capacity for sentiment is actually his greatest weakness, imo. I'd still rather see a flawed and humane "man" in charge, than what is essentially a calculating and inhumane machine driven by the need for power (security? safety?) and his own vanity.

don't get me wrong, if Doom and Magneto were leading two warring nations, I'd much rather hold shares in the stock exchanges of Doom's nation than Magneto's for I can be quite certain that Magneto and his nation were "doomed" but, I'd most certainly not want to be a citizen in Doom's nation... the fact that at any moment I could be sacrificed as part of a gambit or a battle in order to win the war ... that's very much the way of Doom.

If I had to fellow one of these two, it would be Magneto.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
If I had to fellow one of these two, it would be Magneto.

Originally posted by janus77
Magneto has more charisma, magnetism even (you know I had to!).

Doom on the other hand has ruthlessness and drive beyond Magneto's capacity. he has a thirst for absolute power which Magneto's rarely, if ever, demonstrated.

as a leader in a tight spot, Doom is the better. his survival instinct, his assessment of a situation - especially a fluid and abnormal one - is far better than Magnetos, in fact far better than any 'mortal' in Marvel imo.

as a leader to look after a state, to keep the people in line without recourse to brutal measures, Magneto would be better. though his capacity for sentiment is actually his greatest weakness, imo. I'd still rather see a flawed and humane "man" in charge, than what is essentially a calculating and inhumane machine driven by the need for power (security? safety?) and his own vanity.

don't get me wrong, if Doom and Magneto were leading two warring nations, I'd much rather hold shares in the stock exchanges of Doom's nation than Magneto's for I can be quite certain that Magneto and his nation were "doomed" but, I'd most certainly not want to be a citizen in Doom's nation... the fact that at any moment I could be sacrificed as part of a gambit or a battle in order to win the war ... that's very much the way of Doom.

Wouldn't Magneto himself beable to neutralize any bomb or weapon Doom would use to destroy his land?

Hrm. I'm forgetting freedom of will here..

Honestly... If you lived with Doom... you'd almost never fear attack... have no wars... no lack of jobs or food... but you'd be subjugated under a dictator to the nth level..

Whereas magneto would allow his people certain freedoms... at least he would... until most likely another acolyte would arrive to kill/imprison/incapacitate mags... and you'd end up with an entire kingdom in anarchy... with warring factions on all sides.. and fearing for your life every day.. no food, no safety... and several dictators every where you look. sound like genosha to anyone?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wouldn't Magneto himself beable to neutralize any bomb or weapon Doom would use to destroy his land?

IF doom REALLY wanted mags dead... he could travel back in time... or create some kind of biotech weapon that effects only mags genetic structure.. or create a mutant gene disabling weapon... or hell just drop nukes on all 4 corners of genosha.

Originally posted by rotiart
IF doom REALLY wanted mags dead... he could travel back in time... or create some kind of biotech weapon that effects only mags genetic structure.. or create a mutant gene disabling weapon... or hell just drop nukes on all 4 corners of genosha.

The whole time machine crap is just stupid and extremely cheap. When has Doom ever used it to kil someone. He wants Reed dead more than anyone and yet he still hasn't used it to go back and kill him.

Hell Scarlet Witch could just counter all of that. Magneto would know about the nukes before they hit and then he would use his awesome powers to send them right back.

Doom could come up with something to take out Mags, that isn't even an obstacle.

Scarlet Witch? How and why would she help Mags?

Doom would mope the floor with Magneto.

But in this contest, I think that Magneto is a lot more inspiring that Doom would ever will be.

But, I think that the most inspiring character in MU is Charles Xavier.

Everyone hates Xavier.

Most inspiring is Captain America.

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom could come up with something to take out Mags, that isn't even an obstacle.

Scarlet Witch? How and why would she help Mags?

Yeah but still Doom would have to deal with his children as well.

Provided that SW is alive she can help. She is a reality warper you choose which way she decides to help him. True they aren't on the greates of terms but Wanda doesn't want him dead and vice versa.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Doom would mope the floor with Magneto.

But in this contest, I think that Magneto is a lot more inspiring that Doom would ever will be.

But, I think that the most inspiring character in MU is Charles Xavier.

Are you sure about that? Magneto has beaten Doom before and embarassed him worse than Reed could ever dream of. Magneto broke Doom.

Originally posted by Mindset
Everyone hates Xavier.

Most inspiring is Captain America.

Lies! the most inspiring is Doorman.

Most inspiring is Squirrel Girl.

Jobber Aura to the Nth degree.
Her dial winds up to 12

Her dial never stops

How well did Doom work as a team mate in SW II and with the FF when they worked together? Once Doom saw the higher powers he wanted their power. Hes very greedy and power hungry. Hes not a team player he uses people to get what he wants and always has a hidden plan. Thats not a good leader at all.

My thought is, Magneto strikes me as much more inspiring. He gets in there WITH his guys rather than hovering over them shouting orders. Doom to me seems to get loyality from fear. People might not agree with his motives, but they go with them because they are scared not to. Meanwhile Magneto can do a television spot on Monday and have a thousand people there to support him on Wednesday. I didnt really do this thread as a "who would win" but a "who would you rather follow". But yeah if we are talking like, who's team would win, I'd say Doom. He just brings too much. The guy CREATES supervillains.

Also, someone mentioned Xavier. Is it just me or are they retconning his entire character into an *******? I remember him ALWAYS being real fatherly to the x-men. Then I stopped reading for a while, pick up a issue a while ago, and hes acting like a total douche. When did this happen?

Mags easily.

Originally posted by redhotrash
My thought is, Magneto strikes me as much more inspiring. He gets in there WITH his guys rather than hovering over them shouting orders. Doom to me seems to get loyality from fear. People might not agree with his motives, but they go with them because they are scared not to. Meanwhile Magneto can do a television spot on Monday and have a thousand people there to support him on Wednesday. I didnt really do this thread as a "who would win" but a "who would you rather follow". But yeah if we are talking like, who's team would win, I'd say Doom. He just brings too much. The guy CREATES supervillains.

Also, someone mentioned Xavier. Is it just me or are they retconning his entire character into an *******? I remember him ALWAYS being real fatherly to the x-men. Then I stopped reading for a while, pick up a issue a while ago, and hes acting like a total douche. When did this happen?

I don't know, but I was talking about "Classic" Xavier, not "Illuminati" Xavier, the one you are describing

I still say Magneto would own Doom in a war. What is stopping him from turning his own country on him and crushing it with all of the metal around there. Would Doom even want to challenge him after the embarassment and ownage Magneto served him last time?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I still say Magneto would own Doom in a war. What is stopping him from turning his own country on him and crushing it with all of the metal around there. Would Doom even want to challenge him after the embarassment and ownage Magneto served him last time?

This is not about who would win in a fight.