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Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,Galactus was imo. There is no proof that he had more than one shield. He had all his defensive shielding at the time converted into one shield. We KNOW FOR A FACT that Thanos had THREE(3) SHIELDS AGAINST OMEGA.I have heard this argument before and I see your point,but I am arguing facts vs speculation here. 3>your speculation. How many did Thanos erect then?
In secret wars didnt Doom usurp galctus' powers? Why didnt he see that coming?
1.When Omega was separated from his craft Thanos stated in my scans that he could only rely in his senses. He has more weaknesses than Galactus and thats all well and good considering he wasnt finished before he was activated. Read the scan again. Separating him from his ship really put him at a disadvantage.
2.I never said he had cosmic awareness to the degree of Galactus. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
Omega was impressive,but was taken out from a team that is by far and away more impressive than the ff4 and the team assembled in the devourer to take him down.
1.3>your speculation of all defensive shielding. Mine is a concrete fact while you ask me to buy into your speculation with no proof behind it. Thanos was prepared to go to war with Omega,while he called on all defensive shielding and wasnt ready to take on Galactus. Use some common sense and think about which shields would be better in each of these situations.
2.Omega relied on his ship more than Galactus. I never said that Omega was more of a threat than Galactus,but that he was simply more powerful.
3.Galactus is more durable without Omega's ship there. Keep in mind Thanos didnt complete working out his kinks.
Cosmic awareness has nothing to do with power it has to do with ability. Power is power. Omega had more power than Gaalctus and that was the writer's intention. Accept it.
He is impressive because he managed to easily be above anything that Thanos,Genis-vell,Dr.Strange,Warlock and his soul gem could physically do to him. He was defeated due to his reaction defect and being separated from his ship. Saying Omega isnt impressive is being flat out ignorant.
How many did Thanos erect then?
We know for a fact that Thanos used ALL DEFENSIVE SHIELDING.
All>3. That's not speculation, that's straight from Thanos' and Starlin's mouth. You're speculating that Thanos used one shield. Just explain to me how activating all defensive shielding constitutes throwing up one shield. Explain it logically and soundly. Because Galactus saying "a mere force field" is DEPENDENT on Thanos actually using 1 forcefield. The fact that Galactus says it does not mean that's what Thanos used, the fact that Galactus says it is because it is what he observes, as argued by me in my previous post.
However, let's look at this logically. Let us assume you are right, and Thanos is indeed using one shield.
You now must prove that when Thanos says "activate all defensive shielding" that explicitly means "activate 1 shield" as you contest. Nevermind what Galactus says, forget about that for a second.
Provide scans or definitive proof of Thanos using only 1 shield, when he commands all shielding available to him to activate.
Prove this to be true, and I will shut up and never question your points again.
I ask you to do this because this would validate taking galactus' statement at face value, which is your interpretation.
You MUST prove this to be true. IF not, it would mean either Thanos or Galactus is flat out lying/ignorant.
Galactus saying "a mere force field" is a comparative statement, as I've said.
Humor me here in a little hypothetical situation. Suppose you are cyclops. Lined up before you in a group is venom, archangel, spider-man, sandman, iceman. You fire your optic blasts at them. Each has some method of physically shielding themselves from your optic blasts. You are confident, borderline arrogant. You know that every opponent before you has used something-a shield of ice, a shield of steel, a shield of fire, whatever, to block your optic blasts. But your optic blasts have penetrated them all with ease. So, since your blasts are strong you can easily breeze through all the barriers of the group in front of you.
Having eliminated the previous group, you now face magneto. He puts up 4 levels of magnetic shields. You fire a blast, but it's not as easy as the group you just breezed through. So you try a little harder. Eventually you get through the 4 levels of magnetic shields.
Your challenge now is to write one sentence. You must compliment Magneto on having the strongest defense against your optic blasts you've ever encountered. But you can only compliment Magneto by telling him how hard you had to try against his method of defense, and how easy it was with everyone else's method of defense. This must all be in one sentence.
Doom usurped Galactus' powers as Galactus was prepping to fight against the most powerful entity ever featured opposite marvel characters. That however has nothing to do with Galactus standing on a mountain and expelling doom from his ship...far out in orbit and indeed out of the solar system, as Taa II itself is the size of a solar system.
1. that's fine, he was disadvantaged. It's a detriment for Omega to be separated from his ship, that's fine, I'm not arguing that or saying it's not true. Note that Galactus is not disadvantaged from being separated from his ship, as he relies more on his ship's tech for feeding. I can provide examples of this if you require it.
2. You don't grasp what i'm getting at. You never stated Omega has cosmic awareness to the degree of Galactus. That's correct and I agree 1000% with your statement, so we can both confidently say I never had any intent to put words into your mouth. Again, Galactus has higher cosmic awareness than Omega, we agree on this, and that's the end of this issue.
3. I agree that the team assembled in Devourer was far less impressive than the team assembled here. There's no contention from me there. What does a near-death Galactus have anything to do with an imperfect Omega? I didn't bring up the devourer story in my post to you.
4. Omega's ship has nothing to do with this at all. Why do you bring this up? Does omega's tech contribute to how impressive himself is? If it is, then by correlation we must measure Omega's tech against Galactus' tech, which hasn't even been discussed or brought up in our debate till now.
Cosmic awareness has nothing to do with power, that I agree with. Why do you think I'm disagreeing with you?? Explain.
Lastly, explain the areas where Omega>>Galactus. All of them.
I will make it very clear:
Omega is impressive because he can/does ___________ better than Galactus.
Just fill in the blank, rinse, repeat.