Who would is the most powerful person Thanos could beat with 2 years of prep

Originally posted by Tenebrous
This whole post is made of straw, man. You pullin out straw man arguments here...all form, no substance.

Your logic is so flawed.

There are two ways to interpret Galactus' statment.

1. Face value (your way)

2. Comparative statement (my way)

Face value means Galactus is making an observation. So in effect, if you go with this interpretation, Galactus is just observing what Thanos uses.

Now Thanos uses "all defensive shielding." Yet you mistakenly insist the burden of proof is on me.

[b]Who is activating the shields, Thanos or Galactus? Who is calling on a stated number of shields, Thanos or Galactus? Who is making a statement in response to the shields called upon, Thanos or Galactus?

Explain what "activate all defensive shielding" means. You can stamp your feet all you want and say the burden of proof is on me but you haven't gone NEAR this statement because you have NOTHING to counter this.

You are essentially calling Thanos a liar and/or ignorant concerning his own technology. By implication, you are saying Galacuts knows more about Thanos' tech than Thanos himself does. By taking Galactus' words as a comparative statment (which I do, as well as being the grammaticaly correct way to interpret it), both characters are correct in their statements. However, since you insist on the banal face value of the statement, the result is you insist on overriding Thanos' own words for Galactus'. So now you have one character lying (THANOS) and one omniscient (GALACTUS). So Thanos himself doesn't know how many shields he uses, but of course Galactus knows, being a higher abstract entity.

And since you have such low faith in Thanos' own words, you decide he is actually telling the truth about Omega and his power levels. LOL at your nonexistant logic.

Clearly, your illogical reasoning is logical only to you. Once I have time away from work and at my machine I will post all necessary scans relevant to the discussion at hand so your false logic is exposed.

You are correct Thanos wasn't there to destroy Galactus. What you failed to mention is that Thanos blasted Galactus once, Galactus returned and nearly killed Thanos, and Thanos had NO RECOURSE but to beg. Do you think Thanos, who prepares for any eventuality, PLANNED TO BEG ON HIS KNEES like a male pornstar with his dick about to chopped off???

No, instead Thanos planned to prevent Galactus from releasing Hunger. Thanos was there to convince Galactus from going through with a plan that would (so Galactus hoped) rid the universe of his eternal hunger. Thanos is there to prevent an abstract entity from achieving its highest, darkest desire. And you are telling me that Thanos didn't even prepare for the eventuality that opposing Galactus' darkest wish would result in Thanos' very life being threatened? LOL. Why do you think Thanos WAS BEGGING Galactus to spare him just to hear him out?

I know what your answer is. Thanos planned to beg, so he brought weaker shields because he wasn't going to war against Galactus, like he did against Omega. You have analyzed the story in such small terms. [/B]

1.Why wouldnt we take it at face value?

2.Ok,even if I were to humor you here you still dont know and cant tell me how many shields he used. Thats the point. You keep speculating. If you say three or four its still speculation. My interpretation isnt guessing while yours is.

Are you telling me that Galactus wouldnt know how many shields was using?

How many shields is it then? I have already explained to you the answer. Answer the question and tell me how you came to that conclusion.

Thanos used the words three shields against Omega. He called on all defensive shielding. Galactus calls it a mere forcefield. What else am I supposed to think? You cant even give me a straight answer.

I am not calling Thanos a liar. I explained what he did. Its funny how you want to accept Thanos' statements here and totally disregard his statement concerning Omega's power levels. I have explained that he meant. He didnt use a number and have explained myself. Thanos isnt a liar and was correct about Omega's power level. My explanation makes sense while yours accepts Thanos; words in one instance and totally disregards it in another. Why,because you cant accept Omega is more powerful than Galactus.

I trust his words. If he said three shields I would believe three shields. How many shields does all mean to you?

Thanos attacked Galactus because that was the only way he could stop him. It didnt work and Galactus released Hunger. If Thanos had gone there to blast him and do battle he would have had a better plan. If you deny this you are out of your mind.

Thanos planned to get him to stop. He didnt listen. Thanos called upon the shielding he had available to him. Thats all he could do at the time. He wasnt there without a shield,but the shield he brought was clearly inferior to the Omega one.

Is Omega more powerful than Galactus?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have stated my case over and over again. How many shields were there then? Im not repeating myself again.

Galactus was weakened imo by his encounter with Thanos and breaking through the forcefield. He states it right on panel. The rest is pure speculation like always.

Thanos went to talk to Galactus and hope he would listen to reason. He was prepared to defend himself,but really was at Galactus' mercy. He came to destroy Omega. He wasnt there to annihilate Galactus. He would come up with something better than one blast. Think about it,sport.

Tenebrous and you are way off. You both are desperately trying to ignore certain things and draw conclusions from your own interpretations and treat them as facts.

But you have failed to in any way prove that point to the degree that Tenebrous have showed his. But please answer me this is Thanos stupid because he has to be if he downgrades his own tech for a confrontation one on one with Galactus.

He was already weakened when he broke the forcefield, vital energies are depleted when you are already low on energy, you doesn't go from Well Fed to Starving in one teleportation and one blast, but again do you seriously believe that Breaking Thanos shield toke more then Teleport a Galaxy ressurrect Zenn-La battle Agamotto and Mephisto etc?

So that was the reason Thanos fired him through the side of Galactus own ship? With barely any words mention and Thanos already having the energy ready in his hand, Also if Thanos is so intelligent as you always claim him to be (which he actually showed by saying that his Blast would have no effect on Galactus) that he doesn't calculate that he needs to be prepared for Galactus revenge, same in Annihilation Thanos wanted out of the way the second he reliased Galactus because he didn't want to be on the receiving end of a weakened and drained Galactus. Think about the difference in the two situation "sports" Omega he engages with a team and Omega isn't stated to be a Universal Threat, however he came to Galactus with infinite more at stake then what he came with against Omega, the fate of a entire universe. Then try and compare, and wonder what he decided to prepare himself best for, I can tell you this much Thanos isn't so stupid that he downgrades his own means of defenses against a Opponent where the stakes are much much higher then what he previously encountered with Omega.

Funny we see it the other way around, but that's maybe because you choose to simply ignore what we say, we doesn't ignore you Quanchi Tenebrous and I have addressed every single of you points, while you glide straight over ours.

I'd say Eternity since he's jobbed it pretty badly before. The problem is there are beings between Thanos and Eternity that I don't think Thanos could take even with 2 yrs prep.

This is just my personal opinion though.

...d..did he just rap

Originally posted by Utrigita
But you have failed to in any way prove that point to the degree that Tenebrous have showed his. But please answer me this is Thanos stupid because he has to be if he downgrades his own tech for a confrontation one on one with Galactus.

He was already weakened when he broke the forcefield, vital energies are depleted when you are already low on energy, you doesn't go from Well Fed to Starving in one teleportation and one blast, but again do you seriously believe that Breaking Thanos shield toke more then Teleport a Galaxy ressurrect Zenn-La battle Agamotto and Mephisto etc?

So that was the reason Thanos fired him through the side of Galactus own ship? With barely any words mention and Thanos already having the energy ready in his hand, Also if Thanos is so intelligent as you always claim him to be (which he actually showed by saying that his Blast would have no effect on Galactus) that he doesn't calculate that he needs to be prepared for Galactus revenge, same in Annihilation Thanos wanted out of the way the second he reliased Galactus because he didn't want to be on the receiving end of a weakened and drained Galactus. Think about the difference in the two situation "sports" Omega he engages with a team and Omega isn't stated to be a Universal Threat, however he came to Galactus with infinite more at stake then what he came with against Omega, the fate of a entire universe. Then try and compare, and wonder what he decided to prepare himself best for, I can tell you this much Thanos isn't so stupid that he downgrades his own means of defenses against a Opponent where the stakes are much much higher then what he previously encountered with Omega.

Funny we see it the other way around, but that's maybe because you choose to simply ignore what we say, we doesn't ignore you Quanchi Tenebrous and I have addressed every single of you points, while you glide straight over ours.

No,he stated that he was weakened by dealing with Thanos. Quit trying to downplay it. He exerted vital energies breaking his forcefield. Thanos tech is superb. Quit looking into other stories to justify your points. Galactus' words are plain as day.

Thanos knew he had to take matters into his hands. There was nothing else he could do besides take immediate action. Galactus still released the Hunger and Thanos had to clean up his mess. Thanos almost took out Galactus on his own with that explosion. Good thing that wasnt his intention.

Thanos doesnt want to take Galactus' wrath for the same reason he was getting wrecked by Omega. He cant take on either one on his power alone. Thanos launched Galactus with one blast and couldnt budge Omega. Think about it. This isnt hard to grasp. Thanos had things set in motion to be able to destroy the Hunger. Thanos with others set things in motion to defeat Omega. It was much easier to take out the Hunger than it was to take out Omega.

You have ignored much and want to accept Thanos' word an dmake up however many shields proves it was more powerful than he used against Omega while turning a blind eye to Thanos' statements concerning Omega's power level. Think about it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I explained this. How can you honor Thanos' words which never specifically stated how many shields and totally ignore his assessment of Omega's power level? How?

No,he stated that he was weakened by dealing with Thanos. Quit trying to downplay it. He exerted vital energies breaking his forcefield. Thanos tech is superb. Quit looking into other stories to justify your points. Galactus' words are plain as day.

Thanos knew he had to take matters into his hands. There was nothing else he could do besides take immediate action. Galactus still released the Hunger and Thanos had to clean up his mess. Thanos almost took out Galactus on his own with that explosion. Good thing that wasnt his intention.

Thanos doesnt want to take Galactus' wrath for the same reason he was getting wrecked by Omega. He cant take on either one on his power alone. Thanos launched Galactus with one blast and couldnt budge Omega. Think about it. This isnt hard to grasp. Thanos had things set in motion to be able to destroy the Hunger. Thanos with others set things in motion to defeat Omega. It was much easier to take out the Hunger than it was to take out Omega.

You have ignored much and want to accept Thanos' word an dmake up however many shields proves it was more powerful than he used against Omega while turning a blind eye to Thanos' statements concerning Omega's power level. Think about it.

Because their is a enormous difference between the two situations Quanchi, in one of the incident we have the required comic that show us that All of Thanos Forcefields are more then a single one we have the fact right infront of us imo concerning omega we only have statements about his powerlevel, and he demonstrated nothing that places him near two times Galactus. And as mentioned before Thanos says Shielding, while Galactus is saying "Never before" and then is commenting on Thanos level of technology, as Tenebrous have stated again and again Galactus is talking about the quality of the produced shielding not the quantity of the shielding.

He stated that he depleted Vital Ressources by defeating Thanos I have never said otherwise what I say is laughable is you thinking that Galactus moved from Well Fed to Starving in one Blast when Galactus himself isn't that depleted that he cannot fire another blast to deal with Thanos and when Hunger enters fire blast potent enough to in the beginning drive hunger back, and you cannot argue that from the point of time Thanos made that statement and too the actual confrontation alot had transpired. So I have to quit looking at the long history of Galactus to give your argument any form of leverage no thanks, answer the question. Do you think Galactus went from Well Fed to Starving in a single Blast against Thanos? Yes they are and yet you seem to have a way of overlooking them.

Good thing that Thanos their showed that he prepares for every eventuality that may arises, then I believe it's also clear to see that Thanos wasn't so stupid that he downgrade his own level of protection. Galactus just happened to forget that he can teleport... Quiet a Good Feat for Galactus when compared to Omega.

Because he knew that unprepared he didn't have any chance against either of them, and that was a starving and extremely depleted Galactus and still Thanos wanted to get away, if that doesn't say something about the level of power Galactus has in his arsenal compared to Omega... As mentioned before The scan specificly say "with enough power to level a mountain" Shall I find the scan where Galactus takes such a force and just barely acknowlegde it? Do I have to mention that between the confrontation with Omega and Galactus Thanos had been in possession of the heart of the universe and himself stating that he has increased his own powerlevel? Much easier to take out Hunger perhaps. Was more at stake with the prize of failure if he failed to stop Hunger? Yes. Wouldn't it then be completely idiotic of Thanos to not prepare himself even better for the possibility that Hunger would be summoned especially since he basically had the entire act to work against it.

What I have choosen to respectfull regard as hyperbole is that when Thanos stats a being to be twice Galactus and that very being then fail to provide the feats to in any way cementat that statement.

wavey

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah,its gettin old quick. Do you mean your thesis?

I will continue to drop knowledge on you and introduce you to its plural form

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thesis

Now the weekend was busy so I didn't have a chance to put up scans. All relevant scans will make this comprehensive argument more precise

thanos beats wasp 😛

Originally posted by Utrigita
Funny we see it the other way around, but that's maybe because you choose to simply ignore what we say, we doesn't ignore you Quanchi Tenebrous and I have addressed every single of you points, while you glide straight over ours.

Exactly. Quanchi is one of those that refuses to perceive logic other than his. Which is what makes this debate fun and entertaining. Eventually it will get exasperating for one or both parties, but I haven't reached that point yet. Scans coming later

bump

Probably TOAA.

Stan Lee

Originally posted by Xplosive
Probably TOAA.

He could beat God fo sho.

...He'd still be below Batman's leg and Squirrel Girl's nut sack, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
He could beat God fo sho.

...He'd still be below Batman's leg and Squirrel Girl's nut sack, though.

Superman

Thanos.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Because their is a enormous difference between the two situations Quanchi, in one of the incident we have the required comic that show us that All of Thanos Forcefields are more then a single one we have the fact right infront of us imo concerning omega we only have statements about his powerlevel, and he demonstrated nothing that places him near two times Galactus. And as mentioned before Thanos says Shielding, while Galactus is saying "Never before" and then is commenting on Thanos level of technology, as Tenebrous have stated again and again Galactus is talking about the quality of the produced shielding not the quantity of the shielding.

He stated that he depleted Vital Ressources by defeating Thanos I have never said otherwise what I say is laughable is you thinking that Galactus moved from Well Fed to Starving in one Blast when Galactus himself isn't that depleted that he cannot fire another blast to deal with Thanos and when Hunger enters fire blast potent enough to in the beginning drive hunger back, and you cannot argue that from the point of time Thanos made that statement and too the actual confrontation alot had transpired. So I have to quit looking at the long history of Galactus to give your argument any form of leverage no thanks, answer the question. Do you think Galactus went from Well Fed to Starving in a single Blast against Thanos? Yes they are and yet you seem to have a way of overlooking them.

Good thing that Thanos their showed that he prepares for every eventuality that may arises, then I believe it's also clear to see that Thanos wasn't so stupid that he downgrade his own level of protection. Galactus just happened to forget that he can teleport... Quiet a Good Feat for Galactus when compared to Omega.

Because he knew that unprepared he didn't have any chance against either of them, and that was a starving and extremely depleted Galactus and still Thanos wanted to get away, if that doesn't say something about the level of power Galactus has in his arsenal compared to Omega... As mentioned before The scan specificly say "with enough power to level a mountain" Shall I find the scan where Galactus takes such a force and just barely acknowlegde it? Do I have to mention that between the confrontation with Omega and Galactus Thanos had been in possession of the heart of the universe and himself stating that he has increased his own powerlevel? Much easier to take out Hunger perhaps. Was more at stake with the prize of failure if he failed to stop Hunger? Yes. Wouldn't it then be completely idiotic of Thanos to not prepare himself even better for the possibility that Hunger would be summoned especially since he basically had the entire act to work against it.

What I have choosen to respectfull regard as hyperbole is that when Thanos stats a being to be twice Galactus and that very being then fail to provide the feats to in any way cementat that statement.

I never said he was starving I said he depleted vital energies which was stated on panel. Interpret it as you will but it's a huge show of respect for Thanos here.

Omega is more powerful than Galactus but a good amount. genis confirmed it so whether or not Thanos brought shielding it wasn't anywhere near as strong as the one he brought against Omega. That's a fact too that Omega is more powerful.

Genis confirmed it with ca on panel to confirm it. It wasn't hyperbole it was the intention of the writer to make it clear to the reader that Omega is more powerful than Galactus. You want to disagree because it drives you crazy but you don't write the comics do ya?

Originally posted by Tenebrous
I will continue to drop knowledge on you and introduce you to its plural form

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thesis

Now the weekend was busy so I didn't have a chance to put up scans. All relevant scans will make this comprehensive argument more precise

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Exactly. Quanchi is one of those that refuses to perceive logic other than his. Which is what makes this debate fun and entertaining. Eventually it will get exasperating for one or both parties, but I haven't reached that point yet. Scans coming later

I say Eternity, or Dormmammu.