Going on an LDS apologist website to learn about LDS sounds like an exercise in futility. Obviously they're going to try and demonstrate that it is positive. I wouldn't go on a Neo-Nazi website to have a conversation about Nazism. I wouldn't go on an zionist site to talk about Gaza. I would think it is much better to meet on a "neutral grounds" like KMC.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
I am saddened by your lack of reading comprehension. You somehow did not understand nearly anything I wrote. Like not even in the smallest way. You put 1 and 1 together and got 8. And arguing that believing in religious things is ok because can not prove that they're not real is crazy. Prove that the easter bunny isn't real, or santa claus, or the tooth fairy. Prove that elves, unicorns and bigfoot aren't real. Believing in something that is so completely ludicrous to make yourself feel better doesn't make it ok. Letting little kids believe in santa claus is ok, but if you let them keep thinking Santa was real when they were well into their 20's that would be completely crazy. And i'm not sure how you got that I said all religions were the same. I said they all believe in crazy things, which is true. Also, something being the majority doesn't make it correct. As I already said (and posted a valid argument that you were unable to dispute) the majority of people in the Amazon believe that evil spirits inhabit the forest and cause illness and bad luck. If they believe someones been possessed by an evil spirit they will kill the person. This behavior is normal to them. To a rational person who is better educated this type of behavior is looked at as crazy and barbaric. As far as continuing trying to argue your point with me (which seems to not even actually be a point, more of just arguing for the sake of disagreeing) explain to me how the Mormon belief system isn't based on craziness.
Mormons believe Jesus came to America - crazy
Mormons believe you [B]must donate a lot of money to get into the spirit world.
Mormons believe in prophets. This prophet can then say whatever they want and it becomes Mormon canon.
Black people weren't good enough to be priest until 1978 (changed not because of a prophet, but to be more P.C.) Females still aren't good enough according to Mormon beliefs (is bigotry supposed to be ok?)
Mormons believe theres three Heavens (ones bad enough but three is just even more insane)
Mormons believe that God created multiple worlds and each world has people living on it. They also believe that multiple Gods exist but each has their own universe. We are only subject to our God and if we obtain the highest level of heaven we can become gods ourselves. (sounds like a comic book universe)
Also if anyones interested in the virtuous beginnings of the Mormon church.... More Crazy Mormon Things definitely worth the read. [/B]
You can't really treat Jesus in America like it's somehow more or less crazy than the story before that point.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Going on an LDS apologist website to learn about LDS sounds like an exercise in futility.
If you want to know about LDS people, why would you find out from a group that is anti-LDS? Wouldn't it make much more sense to find out about the LDS and their beliefs directly from the LDS rather than a group or propaganda directly setup to oppose them?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Obviously they're going to try and demonstrate that it is positive.
I don't understand why that is wrong. If you want a proper response to the video, why would you go to any other place other than a group of people dedicated to respond to things just like that? You want the best arguments from each side.
That would be like getting results back from an extremely biased lab and then asking laymen to refute the results: that doesn't seem fair....pun intended. 😄
Originally posted by King Kandy
I wouldn't go on a Neo-Nazi website to have a conversation about Nazism. I wouldn't go on an zionist site to talk about Gaza. I would think it is much better to meet on a "neutral grounds" like KMC.
If you wanted to find out about what Neo-Nazi's believed, you wouldn't ask anti-Neo-Nazi's, you'd ask a Neo Nazi or their leaders.
Likewise, if you wanted to get an apologetic response to a 'professional' "report", you'd seek after the best possible apologetic source.
Unfortunately, the ideas are not original to KMC, at all. The information presented is not KMC "original", it is from "professional" organizations dedicated to slandering the LDS church. If you want as close as possible to a proper response, you'd go to a group, not sanctioned by the LDS church, but dedicated in as a professional manner as possible, to refuting those claims.
If you're seeking for an unqualified, largely ignorant response to a professionally done anti-Mormon production, then, I could easily fulfill that for you. If you're looking for a proper response, there are much better sources suited to the task.
Originally posted by you get thorns
I'm gonna pass that to someone who thinks they can milk a duck.What I will say is that if the people and places don't exist then the events had nowhere to happen. It is what it is.
Since I am a man of science professionally yet a man of faith personally I hold everything involving faith to a high standard. I feel faith must be based in fact even though I do understand the definition of the word "faith". As far as the first link I posted about the legal reason for the change in status of blacks in the LDS church, I am old enough to remember it. People can twist the facts to suit their opinions but the facts can and do stand alone to be assessed.Elephants and horses. Large cities of stone but no ruins. Maps of what?
Facts are facts and any educated person should see things for what they are.
And now I am through.
Cool. And every last point you've made has a nice logical apologetic response and it was literally years ago that those responses were made.
The fact that so many people oppose the CoJCoLDS and try so very hard to find fault with the church and recycle old, false, arguments, automatically sends up a red-flag of suspicion for me: is there not an established pattern of persecution of followers of Christ?
IMO, all of this anti-Mormon sentiment goes back to the nascent church: a full grown man who makes his living off of lying to people would have a very good reason to try and discredit a boy that saw a vision that confirmed what he was doing was wrong. Unpaid clergy? Volunteer work? Active in the community? Seems like very good reasons to oppose them: cuts right into his way of making a living. This is on top of the large cut right into the pride of men: it would piss me off, too, if it were anything other than the nature of God.
Originally posted by skekUng
I also missed the part where you answered, in your own words, why.
That's easy to answer: the former was actually posted while the above response was never posted, cept one tiny little tidbit.
Still waiting on that PM and I'll answer in detail. 🙂
Also, you're taking this thread off topic. It's also my fault: I apologize for responding to your off-topic post.
Originally posted by skekUng
I just like to where everyone is coming from, even when they aren't up front about it.
The problem is, I was and you'd have to search for it. I still think you're a sock troll and you don't really want to know the answers. Else you would have PM'd me long ago.
I will no longer respond to this topic.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The problem is, I was and you'd have to search for it. I still think you're a sock troll and you don't really want to know the answers. Else you would have PM'd me long ago.I will no longer respond to this topic.
You were not straight forward. I asked why you thought Romney was the best candidate for President, and you posted links to general wikipedia articles about his life, never once saying, in your own words or specifically, why you thought he would make the best President. Now you're a Mormon, it makes sense.
You no longer respond to any topic that can't bullshit your way through.
What you think of me is no longer my concern. What others think of you when you high tail it out of any conversation is also not my concern.