Originally posted by quanchi112
You bring up t-vo? Godblast and the durok feat if you want to go that route. If they fight normally Thor would defeat him if he didnt hold back and went off on him. he took down the Surfer and Warlock at the same time. Supes cant hang imo.
Godblast is a massive concussive force concentrated on one spot maybe if it was omnidirectional it would give Thor some wins.
The Durok feat is impressive if only because it shows that Thor can generate significant magic without the Hammer but he accomplished it while he was locked in a grapple.
I don't think Supes is the kind of opponent to waste time grappling he is more likely to strike at Thor in close quarters and without PIS he is putting plenty speed behind his CQC, enough that Thor can't keep up IMO.
Originally posted by kgkgIm sure he will.
Hint use the Speed argument. 🏴☠️
Originally posted by AllanklesPhysically by a little bit,but powerwise he blows him out of the water.
Thor is hardly too powerful for Superman a few more esoteric powers but physically and mentally Supes is his superior.
Originally posted by AllanklesSo,you are saying that Supes has to use his speed otherwise he loses? LOL. Thor defeats him whether he uses speed or not. He grabbed Durok and pulled it off instantly. Same thing could happen to Supes.
Godblast is a massive concussive force concentrated on one spot maybe if it was omnidirectional it would give Thor some wins.The Durok feat is impressive if only because it shows that Thor can generate significant magic without the Hammer but he accomplished it while he was locked in a grapple.
I don't think Supes is the kind of opponent to waste time grappling he is more likely to strike at Thor in close quarters and without PIS he is putting plenty speed behind his CQC, enough that Thor can't keep up IMO.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor defeats him whether he uses speed or not. He grabbed Durok and pulled it off instantly. Same thing could happen to Supes.
Ok. I feel Supes beats Thor more often than not. His speed is too significant an advantage for Thor to handle if it gets to CQC.
In real life combat you don't even have to have the kind of gulf in speed Supes has against Thor to confound your opponent.
Watch a good technical speedy boxer fight a slower less technical or equally technical boxer and the speedier guy has the advantage more often than not. Supes and Thor have an even more significant gap in speed.
And even if it gets to grappling Thor isn't the only one who is dangerous there Supes can direct HV through skin and even retina to damage interior organs. Supes besides having a significant speed advantage in close quarters and an edge in strength, is also a better strategist.
Originally posted by Allankles
Ok. I feel Supes beats Thor more often than not. His speed is too significant an advantage for Thor to handle if it gets to CQC.In real life combat you don't even have to have the kind of gulf in speed Supes has against Thor to confound your opponent.
Watch a good technical speedy boxer fight a slower less technical or equally technical boxer and the speedier guy has the advantage more often than not. Supes and Thor have an even more significant gap in speed.
And even if it gets to grappling Thor isn't the only one who is dangerous there Supes can direct HV through skin and even retina to damage interior organs. Supes besides having a significant speed advantage in close quarters and an edge in strength, is also a better strategist.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Im sure he will. Physically by a little bit,but powerwise he blows him out of the water. So,you are saying that Supes has to use his speed otherwise he loses? LOL. Thor defeats him whether he uses speed or not. He grabbed Durok and pulled it off instantly. Same thing could happen to Supes.
Even for you Quan, this argument is weak. Supes has legitimate combat superspeed movement/striking and reflex. Even assuming they are peers in every other aspect with the exception of power versatility, the speed advantage alone is enough to secure Supes a comfortable ability.
I haven't seen a character like Supes take the Godblast, same for Thor and T-Vo, that means all that is speculation.
Thor is most definitely not going to walk over Supes without it though.
Also, to answer someone's post to my previous statement. Thor's hammer is not "full of magic". It is a normal weapon that has been enchanted. If there was a specific spell that made it hurt more when swung, it may be fatal to Supes. (and most people who got it front of it)
As Supes said, "magically enchanted rocks are just rocks, but a cut anything spell would even cut me".
Originally posted by AllanklesThis isnt boxing.
Ok. I feel Supes beats Thor more often than not. His speed is too significant an advantage for Thor to handle if it gets to CQC.In real life combat you don't even have to have the kind of gulf in speed Supes has against Thor to confound your opponent.
Watch a good technical speedy boxer fight a slower less technical or equally technical boxer and the speedier guy has the advantage more often than not. Supes and Thor have an even more significant gap in speed.
And even if it gets to grappling Thor isn't the only one who is dangerous there Supes can direct HV through skin and even retina to damage interior organs. Supes besides having a significant speed advantage in close quarters and an edge in strength, is also a better strategist.
Supes is dead once they grapple. I have posted the scan many times. Thor's hammer is much more powerful than Supes' fists.
Chances are when these guys throw down they are going to brawl it out. They did in jla. Either way I see Thor with the advantages. If you want to argue on powerset Thor can oneshot him. If you to want argue in character Thor should win based on his confusion in jla. He comes back for a rematch it seems with even more focus.
Originally posted by Lord FeronSupes isnt killin BA. Its the other way around. Its completely out of character for Supes to try and kill anyone. Its not out of character for BA to kill someone though. Supes wouldnt even hit him when he turned his back.
Glads stalemates Thor long enough for supes to kill or KO BB and the double stuff on Thor.
Originally posted by The Great GalenNot when Thor can oneshot him if we argue based solely on powers.
Even for you Quan, this argument is weak. Supes has legitimate combat superspeed movement/striking and reflex. Even assuming they are peers in every other aspect with the exception of power versatility, the speed advantage alone is enough to secure Supes a comfortable ability.
Thats why I said knock out to. I find thats it's well within character for Supes to fight against BA until he is knocked out. I take back the kill part, yeah supes won't kill but he will beat BA down until he submits or KOs.
I understand BA will go in for the kill and it will be only a matter time supes decides to end this before he allows BA to kill him. I Still they they are incredible even but Supes just seems to have more strength not a significantly more but more.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes isnt killin BA. Its the other way around. Its completely out of character for Supes to try and kill anyone. Its not out of character for BA to kill someone though. Supes wouldnt even hit him when he turned his back.Not when Thor can oneshot him if we argue based solely on powers.
Quan...WTF are you talking about when you say"arguing only powers". Supes has actually used speed in combat situations, his h2h speed isnt some rare exotic plot device like T-VO or the Odinforce. You've made no solid defense as to how Thor can compete with Supes speed and untill you do this could be considered trolling at this point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This isnt boxing.Supes is dead once they grapple. I have posted the scan many times. Thor's hammer is much more powerful than Supes' fists.
Chances are when these guys throw down they are going to brawl it out. They did in jla. Either way I see Thor with the advantages. If you want to argue on powerset Thor can oneshot him. If you to want argue in character Thor should win based on his confusion in jla. He comes back for a rematch it seems with even more focus.
Fine.
All am saying is that when you break things down you don't need to be a lot faster than your opponent to have an edge in CQC, that's just the basic bare bones physics of the situation.
But in this case Supes enjoys quite the advantage in speed so I see him whooping Thor's ass more often than not ala Ali vs Liston.
EDIT: Not to mention Supes is also more tactically adept and has his own dangerous abilities in cqc. In a grapple he could easily spin Thor super fast and leave him dazed as he proceeds to lay on the pain. I'm not even going to mention vibrating through physical and energetic attacks or T-Vo.
I just see Supes KO'ing Thor more times than not.