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Terryc250 Senior Member

Originally posted by Kento
I wouldn't say speed. And I'm sure any Hyuuga could one-shot a person even Hinata by destroying the heart if they got serious. Sakura has the will to fight sure but if Hinata ever actually got over her fear of fighting I think she'd be a weaker Neji which makes me think she'd be better than Sakura. After all the Hyuuga style > any other fighting style.

Its not as easy as it sounds, because Sakura is quite skilled from her Tsunade training and wouldn't be standing there. Sakura is able to shatter Hinatas bones quite easily imo, and render Hinata ineffective. Yes potentially Hinata can become a great taijutsu fighter, but at their current levels, Sakura is alot more superior in my opinion.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Terryc250
Sasuke is going blind?

Yes, he is. After bringing back Kirabi, they show a panel which is from Sasuke's perspective and it shows his vision getting blurry. He is slowly going blind.

And IIRC, the only character in the series to completely control a Biju with the Sharingan was Madara at the height of his power with the EMS.

Terryc250 Senior Member

ic, i thought it was just a straining effect from overusing the mangekyou too much, the way he put his hand on his eye/head as soon as it did that effect.

Yeah Madara did it multiple times against the full powered Bijuu itself, Sasuke however, can atleast supress Naruto borrowing Kyuubis power.

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Originally posted by Kento
Sakura doesn't have Tsunade's heal anything jutsu..She can't heal herself from dying which Hyuuga Style can do if they are serious. And Sakura having super strength and chakra control doesn't make her more powerful.
Kiba and Chouji are still pretty much even. What one lacks the other has.

She doesn't need the heal anything jutsu(there is no dot on her forehead), but she is past Shizune in healing, and Shizune was able to heal her muscles. Anyways it would be hard for Hinata to dodge Sakura's punch to the ground consitantly.

Kiba>Choji because he would use fang over fang, or even Man Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf to beat him.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Terryc250
ic, i thought it was just a straining effect from overusing the mangekyou too much, the way he put his hand on his eye/head as soon as it did that effect.
Yeah Madara did it multiple times against the full powered Bijuu itself, Sasuke however, can atleast supress Naruto borrowing Kyuubis power.

1. Exactly. The side effect is slowly losing your sight, as Itachi stated, and as Itachi was. Madara was blind until he took his brother's eyes.

2. Borrowing, sure, but even that is debatable.

Pwning the full power of any Biju? No.

Terryc250 Senior Member

1) If that was straining, in the same way he strained when he put out amaterasu, it does not mean he is losing his eyesight, it simply means its hurting him from overusing it.

2) Like i said before, "pwning the full power of a Bijuu" a mastered Sharingan can do that yes.

Naruto however, does not have a the full power of a Bijuu, nor does Sasuke have a mastered Sharingan

But Sasukes mastery over his Sharingan > Naruto's over his Bijuu.

Therefore Sasuke can supress Naruto's Bijuu power, as it was both stated and shown.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Terryc250
1) If that was straining, in the same way he strained when he put out amaterasu, it does not mean he is losing his eyesight, it simply means its hurting him from overusing it.
2) Like i said before, "pwning the full power of a Bijuu" a mastered Sharingan can do that yes.
Naruto however, does not have a the full power of a Bijuu, nor does Sasuke have a mastered Sharingan
But Sasukes mastery over his Sharingan > Naruto's over his Bijuu.
Therefore Sasuke can supress Naruto's Bijuu power, as it was both stated and shown.

1. So we ignore all the statements that a normal MS user(like Sasuke) loses their site when using the MS, that Itachi, who was stronger than Sasuke, was damn close to losing his eyesight completely, and the fact that we get a blatant on-panel implication that the deterioration of Sasuke's eyesight, and instead say, he might not be losing it, with basically no evidence to support that notion and overwhelming evidence to support the opposite?

2. A mastered Eternal Sharingan. Which Sasuke does not, and never will, have.

Naruto can go up to Four Tails, which is over 4 times as much as Sasuke was shown to suppress.

Not true, he can go three tails without losing control, only when he goes four does he.

It was shown that Sasuke could suppress the Kyuubi from allowing Naruto to borrow a minute fraction, and that was while Naruto was not cooperating with Kyuubi, there is no evidence he could stop a tailed, cooperating Naruto.

Terryc250 Senior Member

Huh? Why would Sasuke be a "normal" sharingan user? Itachi gave his sharingan into him, just as Madara's brother gave his sharingan to Madara.

I said, IF that was just a after-effect of straining from overusing the amaterasu, that would not mean his eyesight is deteriorating, just because you have an eternal sharingan, does not mean you can spam mangekyou without straining yourself.

2) You can control Bijuu with any sharingan, its stated in the databook. Sasuke's sharingan is at the same level as Madara's his starshape is the product of both him and his brothers sharingan, just as is the product of both Madara's and his brother.

Naruto cannot go up to 4-tails instantly. Sasuke can supress Naruto before he reaches that.

Naruto borrows Kyuubi's power to go kyuubi mode, Kyuubi states himself that Sasuke is able to supress his power, if Naruto borrows Kyuubi's power, and Sasuke can supress it, that is the same as stopping him from going Kyuubi.

Besides the fact that it was shown in the manga, the evidence is shown right in the databook as well, its stated Sasuke can supress Naruto's kyuubi.

Kyuubi even knows Sasuke can kill Naruto now because he can supress his power, if Kyuubi can give Naruto power that Sasuke cannot supress, why would he be scared for Naruto's life? Instead of saying "Do not kill Naruto", he should be begging Naruto "Just let me give you power".

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Terryc250
Huh? Why would Sasuke be a "normal" sharingan user? Itachi gave his sharingan into him, just as Madara's brother gave his sharingan to Madara.
I said, [b]IF that was just a after-effect of straining from overusing the amaterasu, that would not mean his eyesight is deteriorating, just because you have an eternal sharingan, does not mean you can spam mangekyou without straining yourself.
2) You can control Bijuu with any sharingan, its stated in the databook. Sasuke's sharingan is at the same level as Madara's his starshape is the product of both him and his brothers sharingan, just as is the product of both Madara's and his brother.
Naruto cannot go up to 4-tails instantly. Sasuke can supress Naruto before he reaches that.
Naruto borrows Kyuubi's power to go kyuubi mode, Kyuubi states himself that Sasuke is able to supress his power, if Naruto borrows Kyuubi's power, and Sasuke can supress it, that is the same as stopping him from going Kyuubi.
Besides the fact that it was shown in the manga, the evidence is shown right in the databook as well, its stated Sasuke can supress Naruto's kyuubi.
Kyuubi even knows Sasuke can kill Naruto now because he can supress his power, if Kyuubi can give Naruto power that Sasuke cannot supress, why would he be scared for Naruto's life? Instead of saying "Do not kill Naruto", he should be begging Naruto "Just let me give you power". [/B]

1. Because he has shown less talent with the Mangekyo Sharingan than even his brother. Itachi did not implant his Sharingan into him, that would literally require ripping his own eyes out and putting them into Sasuke's(however the hell that would work).

It was an after-effect. But said after-effect only happens to those who have a normal Mangekyo Sharingan, not an Eternal one like Madara's. Actually, having an Eternal means that your eyesight does not deteriorate at all. Does that mean you have infinite chakra? No, it means you can use MS as much as you desire without losing your eyesight.

2. I guess that's why Sasuke showed some impressive Biju controlling while fighting Kirabi. And no, it is not on the same level as Madara's, this is shown by the deteriorating eyesight, the blurry vision. When Madara's Sharingan went Eternal,"The darkness never came again," Sasuke is already feeling MS side effects. Sasuke never even HAD an MS, so it cannot be a combo of both.

He can reach Three Tails instantly. IIRC.

Can he stop him from borrowing a small fraction? Sure.

Control an unrestrained Kyuubi? Nah.

Which he can, but it is not proven that he can do it to a much higher level of Kyuubi.

Gee, it prolly has something to do with Naruto being a pussy who never wants to use Kyuubi again?

Terryc250 Senior Member

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Because he has shown less talent with the Mangekyo Sharingan than even his brother. Itachi did not implant his Sharingan into him, that would literally require ripping his own eyes out and putting them into Sasuke's(however the hell that would work).

Sasuke has Itachi's sharingan in his, thats why he is able to use tsukiyomi, and amaterasu, it says right in the databook its from Itachi.

Lol no one knows how it works, but its not like Madara took it and forced it into his own eye sockets, or ate it or somethin, there is most likely a symbolic way of obtaining the power of their brothers eyes

It was an after-effect. But said after-effect only happens to those who have a normal Mangekyo Sharingan, not an Eternal one like Madara's. Actually, having an Eternal means that your eyesight does not deteriorate at all. Does that mean you have infinite chakra? No, it means you can use MS as much as you desire without losing your eyesight.

IF it was straining aftereffect it wouldn't neccerarily mean he's going blind, there's difference between merely straining from overusing something, and going blind. MS requires chakra, even if Madara spams MS he'll strain, he won't go blind, but it'll definately hurt him.

2. I guess that's why Sasuke showed some impressive Biju controlling while fighting Kirabi. And no, it is not on the same level as Madara's, this is shown by the deteriorating eyesight, the blurry vision. When Madara's Sharingan went Eternal,"The darkness never came again," Sasuke is already feeling MS side effects. Sasuke never even HAD an MS, so it cannot be a combo of both.

Like i've said a couple times before, Kirabi has full control over his Bijuu, Naruto does not. Kirabi can transform into his full form Bijuu, Naruto cannot.

Naruto has very little control over his Bijuu, and can only borrow some of its power, which is what Sasuke is able to supress at their current levels.

He can reach Three Tails instantly. IIRC.

No he can't

Control an unrestrained Kyuubi? Nah.

What is an "unrestrained Kyuubi"? Naruto can only borrow his powers, either that, or he can permanantly rip the seal off and he'll die (thats IF he can rip off the seal)

Which he can, but it is not proven that he can do it to a much higher level of Kyuubi.

Naruto can only borrow his powers, thats all, Kyuubi states himself that Sasuke is able to supress his power, if Naruto can use its full form like Kirabee (which he can't) and actually fully transform into Kyuubi, then Sasuke probably cannot supress that with his current level of Sharingan.

But Naruto's current power over his bijuu is merely him borrowing some of its power, Sasuke can overcome that with his sharingan.

Gee, it prolly has something to do with Naruto being a pussy who never wants to use Kyuubi again? [/B]

More likely that Sasuke is able to supress his power so Kyuubi cannot protect him anymore, thats why he fears for Naruto's life.